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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti Semetism IS happening

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AbsoluteYawns · 04/11/2023 23:41

and in my opinion it's a direct result of people turning a blind eye to and excusing the horror of hamas and everything they stand for. It's allowed open season on anti Jewish hate. This has happened TODAY in France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas/

French woman stabbed on doorstep in anti-Semitic attack

The Jewish woman was stabbed twice at her home in Lyon before police found a swastika drawn on her front door

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/04/woman-stabbed-lyon-france-antisemitic-attack-israel-hamas

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crimsonfleet · 07/11/2023 13:02

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In what way are the pupils at Jewish schools which have been grafittied and need extra security responsible for what's happening on Gaza? Ot the woman who was stabbed in France?

What a disgusting victim-blaming post.

Mollymodel · 07/11/2023 13:04

In what way are the children of Gaza to blame for what Hamas did?

crimsonfleet · 07/11/2023 13:07

Mollymodel · 07/11/2023 13:04

In what way are the children of Gaza to blame for what Hamas did?

They're not, obviously, I never said otherwise. 🙄

2boys1princess · 07/11/2023 13:07

tobeornottobe1 · 05/11/2023 23:33

@IClaudine you will be waiting along time for it to come on bbc, it's a video , I have screen shot some pictures from it, I will try to upload. I have seen it on social media platforms also.

Oh I saw this brave lady. Love her. There’s another video of a jewish person calling the Israeli government and idf out for starting another holocaust, in which she lost lots of family members. She got got arrested for her protest! So many in Israel saying the same and they are getting beaten up by the idf. My heart breaks for the Jews that are speaking up because they don’t want to be associated with the massacre of children.
Has anyone seen the video of the Jewish man getting beaten up real bad by a soldier for saying stop the murder of innocent civilians as this is not what our religion teaches us. I would upload it here, but I can’t watch it again it was horrible the way they beat him up. Awful

Reallifelurker · 07/11/2023 13:15

Are you trying to imply racists are thick @PurpleChrayne 🤔

PurpleChranyne is the one who calls Jewish people who don’t support Israel kapo’s.

Thats quite an easy word to spell I suppose 😒

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 13:16

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 12:51

@Humdingerydoo yes I did watch the video.
I'm asking why she couldn't be? As you didn't watch the video and you stated she couldn't be. So genuinely asking why you said that?

I'm not sure if you saw the bit at the end of the video were she states it's antisemitic to actually assume that Jews are supporting the holocaust in Gaza.
So according you you it would appear to be going around in a circle here, she's discriminating against herself and then flipping it back around again. Sounds like a nauseating funfair ride.

I did watch it, which is how I know no one ever said she's a Holocaust survivor. What makes you think I didn't watch it?

Have I at any point said she's anti-semitic? I said it's not impossible that she is, but I couldn't read the sign she was wearing so I have no idea. You seem to make a lot of assumptions and inferences instead of reading what people are saying or, in the case of the video, listening.

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 13:58

@Humdingerydoo

Sorry I didn't realise you was visually impaired, as you said you saw the video however you could not read the sign around her neck, which is fairly obvious what the issue is and why she was arrested. If you could hear, she was arrested for allegedly being antisemetic in calling Israel a Nazi state!
So you either agree or don't agree with her arrest it's not hard is it, stop gaslighting and pissing around.

nopenotplaying · 07/11/2023 14:01

I am reading the book Born Survivors by Wendy Holden. It's a true story about 3 women who gave birth in Auschwitz. I'm only a little way through but it's horrific. I hadn't really grasped the horror in such detail before. Hamas are terrorists there is no room for whatabouts here.

Cejm · 07/11/2023 14:28

I watched footage of a hospital in Gaza on Sky News - babies in incubators who are going to die if power continues to be restricted - apparently there are 50,000 women currently pregnant in Gaza. The footage showed children being pulled from under buildings, children in body bags.

Hamas are terrorists, no one sane is disputing that, the Israeli people murdered on 7 October did not deserve to die just as those little Palestinian babies do not deserve to die. Talking about the horrible reality of babies being born in Auschwitz does not really explain why it’s okay to kill other babies - if anything we should be saving this should never happen to ANYONE again!

There is never any justification for killing a child - any government that bombs hospitals, schools, family homes become terrorist themselves. Imagine it was your child!

ketchup07070 · 07/11/2023 14:37

@cejn I agree that either killing innocent people is wrong or it isn't. I don't understand the position that killing innocents by one side is wrong, but killing innocents by the other side is right. It is not logical.

Mollymodel · 07/11/2023 14:39

ketchup07070 · 07/11/2023 14:37

@cejn I agree that either killing innocent people is wrong or it isn't. I don't understand the position that killing innocents by one side is wrong, but killing innocents by the other side is right. It is not logical.

No indeed.

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 14:46

nopenotplaying · 07/11/2023 14:01

I am reading the book Born Survivors by Wendy Holden. It's a true story about 3 women who gave birth in Auschwitz. I'm only a little way through but it's horrific. I hadn't really grasped the horror in such detail before. Hamas are terrorists there is no room for whatabouts here.

Terrible,
In 20 years from now, let's all read a book about 5000+ women who had to have a cesarean section without any anaesthetic, because humanity failed them.

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 15:56

tobeornottobe1 · 07/11/2023 13:58

@Humdingerydoo

Sorry I didn't realise you was visually impaired, as you said you saw the video however you could not read the sign around her neck, which is fairly obvious what the issue is and why she was arrested. If you could hear, she was arrested for allegedly being antisemetic in calling Israel a Nazi state!
So you either agree or don't agree with her arrest it's not hard is it, stop gaslighting and pissing around.

You're telling me you can actually read that sign? The whole sign? Not just two of the words but the whole thing? That's great, then please let me know exactly what it says word for word so we can discuss whether or not the contents are anti-Semitic

happyl · 07/11/2023 16:02

one of the organisers of the march led Hamas in the West Bank for gods sake. And now lives in London. In fact police believe over half the groups organising the march have links to Hamas. But yeah, people marching don't support Hamas. Whatever.

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 16:10

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 15:56

You're telling me you can actually read that sign? The whole sign? Not just two of the words but the whole thing? That's great, then please let me know exactly what it says word for word so we can discuss whether or not the contents are anti-Semitic

As I said in a previous post, it starts with the words 'Nazi Israel'.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 07/11/2023 16:17

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 16:10

As I said in a previous post, it starts with the words 'Nazi Israel'.

The sign clearly says a LOT more than Nazi Israel. Presumably, since you're not visually impared yourself, you'll be able to share what the other words are?

I made out the FINAL SOLUTION on the second line, but can't make out the rest of it, as admittedly my eyesight isn't as good as yours.

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 16:18

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 16:10

As I said in a previous post, it starts with the words 'Nazi Israel'.

Right so if that's all the sign says then no, she's not saying anything anti-semitic. But that's not all the sign says, is it?

Alveus · 07/11/2023 16:26

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So it should be up to Jewish people to stop anti-Semitism? Is that what you're saying?

HoldOnMiGenna · 07/11/2023 16:45

Israel isn't a Nazi state. Nazism has a definitive, not emotional definition.
And in no way is Israeli attacks upon Gaza , where Gazans die reminiscent of the root and branch stated aim of Nazi Germany's getting rid of worldwide Jewish people.
In fact going by the definition of an organisation or state's aim being the elimination of a people simply because of their ethnicity, it is Hamas who are the Nazis. Also the way that Hamas sets up Gazan society, women as broodmares to produce fodder for the "liberation cause" , the brainwashing of children and encouraging them to Smith on 'bad Gazans" and setting Hamas up to be the uncontested government by force and subjugation of Gazans cloaked in " on behalf of the glory of The Cause" and being a part of the anti Israel/ Jewish Axis which includes Iran and Qatar and aiming to destroy any neighbouring allyship with Israel is very Hitler like.
Hamas is even trying to emotionally blackmail Egypt , demanding she take in injured Palestinians as a condition of Hamas agreeing to a ceasefire.....knowing that Egypt wants no parts of Palestinian intake due to the very high risk of terrorist/ brainwashed Gazans entering Egypt in order to put a large battery in the back of the barely contained Muslim Brotherhood....like last time.
Very pre war Germany and Austria.
And the fact that one side is defending itself and the other is seeking to destroy a state and it's people and is on the losing side due to casualties, does not make the losing side who broke the previous ceasefire the Good Guys or the winning side the "Nazis".
There is a reason why if beaten to a pulp on somebody's doorstep , the police will consider if the beaten up person went to that person's home to start shit and if the person used justifiable self defence . That one's arse was kicked will far from guarantee a prosecution for the person defending themselves, especially if they asked for the beaten up person to leave, but the beaten up person put their foot in to prevent the door being closed on them and fuckry ensued that didn't fall in their favour.....
In war, stated intentions and patterns of behaviour count . Casualties have always been an afterthought and a certain expectation. Hamas already considered Gazan lives more unimportant than destroying Israel. That's not a valid opinion, but straight from the horse's mouth.
Just like Hitler kept on going even as Germany was certain to lose, ignoring high command and having deserters shot, Berlin turned to rubble whilst he and his lived good in the bunkers, because the Nazis had no love for Germany or Germans. Both were a convenient conduit to use to espouse the barbarism of their trying to make the world in the image in their mind.
Just like Hamas and allies want an Islamist , Jew free world and Palestinian suffrage is a convenient conduit to use to perpetrate their inner barbarism.
So if one is going to fling "Nazi" after Israel....they don't know one hundredth of what Nazism is, because if they did, they would recognise it in Gaza, Hamas and a fair amount of Middle Eastern countries, especially as their Jewish and Christian populations have " withered" to insignificance by violent contrivement.

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 17:57

Humdingerydoo · 07/11/2023 16:18

Right so if that's all the sign says then no, she's not saying anything anti-semitic. But that's not all the sign says, is it?

Yes, it is antisemitic even if that's all the sign says. Israel are not comparable to Nazi Germany and it's a foul comparison to make.

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 17:59

Fallenangelofthenorth · 07/11/2023 16:17

The sign clearly says a LOT more than Nazi Israel. Presumably, since you're not visually impared yourself, you'll be able to share what the other words are?

I made out the FINAL SOLUTION on the second line, but can't make out the rest of it, as admittedly my eyesight isn't as good as yours.

No need for the snark thank you. I think the first two words were a clear indication as to the content of the sign, and no I didn't read the whole thing or particularly try to.

lyingonthebeach · 07/11/2023 18:03

This is very interesting. As a British Jew (Grand daughter of someone who fled the obvious) who has worked in many Muslim countries, I have reached a stage when I just need to rant out of disbelief....................

Douglas Murray: This is About Survival

Douglas Murray is a British writer and political commentator. He is an associate editor of the Spectator and a columnist at the Telegraph and the New York Po...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqzdnPjPhW0

Fallenangelofthenorth · 07/11/2023 18:07

ProvincialLady1 · 07/11/2023 17:57

Yes, it is antisemitic even if that's all the sign says. Israel are not comparable to Nazi Germany and it's a foul comparison to make.

I apologise, I thought I was responding to the poster who made the comment about @Humdingerydoo being visually impaired, but I see I was wrong. It's become a bit of a bear pit on this board.