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Illegal settlements

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immigrant002 · 04/11/2023 17:32

I just watched a piece on itv and sky news how Palestinians are abandoning their houses in the west bank as they face severe intimidation by settlers and army forces

The reporter says the settlements are illegal they are universally accepted as illegal so my question is why is nobody doing anything ??
What is the purpose of international law and the UN ? Is it just Israel that gets away with is ?

I just don't see what the point of saying something is illegal but continuing to build more and more settlements for people from
US kicking Palestinians out of their homes ? Why are they getting away with this ?

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stormy4319trevor · 21/01/2025 13:41

Now the Israeli army have launched operation Iron Wall in Jenin. Smotrich appears to state it will protect settlers and improve security. Netanyahu states it will be a large scale military operation.

EasterIssland · 21/01/2025 13:42

stormy4319trevor · 21/01/2025 13:41

Now the Israeli army have launched operation Iron Wall in Jenin. Smotrich appears to state it will protect settlers and improve security. Netanyahu states it will be a large scale military operation.

Not sure we will see the ceasefire lasting more than a week

stormy4319trevor · 21/01/2025 13:47

@EasterIssland It's disappointing, but not surprising. The WB isn't part of the ceasefire, and I suppose the IDF have more resources to focus there if they are not busy in Gaza. Trump must have known this would happen.

mollyfolk · 22/01/2025 11:29

“Biblical rights” god help us all. Bunch of nutters at helm now.

user243245346 · 22/01/2025 12:08

It's not true that jewish settlements in judea and Samaria are illegal. There are certain areas in the Oslo accords run by the Palestinians in the disputed territories. The Jewish people who settle there, settle outside those areas and legally own the land they occupy. If Palestinian people are being evicted it's because they don't have a right to live on the land, that happens everywhere.

It's often not accurately reported by the media- for example a Palestinian family built a restaurant on land belonging to someone else near Bethlehem. There was a lengthy court case that they lost because the land always belonged to someone else and they never had any right to be on it which was conclusively proven in court. Yet it was all over mainstream media that they had been forced out of their land by "settlers" with no explanation that they never owned (or even leased) the land in the first place.

There is unfortunately a lot of propaganda on this issue and you cannot trust everything you read.

user243245346 · 22/01/2025 12:13

EasterIssland · 19/01/2025 21:23

Settlers are burning Palestinian houses and cars tonight in West Bank

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What's your evidence for that? There has been ongoing fighting in Jenn between Fatah and Hamas and generally there is a power struggle between them. Any settlement of Jews is vastly outnumbered and they tend to be targeted frequently by various terror groups. Unlikely they would start trouble

EasterIssland · 22/01/2025 12:16

user243245346 · 22/01/2025 12:13

What's your evidence for that? There has been ongoing fighting in Jenn between Fatah and Hamas and generally there is a power struggle between them. Any settlement of Jews is vastly outnumbered and they tend to be targeted frequently by various terror groups. Unlikely they would start trouble

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https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israeli-settlers-organized-west-bank-riots-on-chat-groups-d2cceb07

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-west-bank-settler-sanctions-trump-668119732c77e083baa4a12c194df7ef

agree with you. I really doubt settler would start trouble.

user243245346 · 22/01/2025 12:24

StupidFarang · 30/09/2024 03:00

Plus don't forget that the Palestinian zionists declared the state of israel to replace the British mandate the day after the Brits left in May 1948. The Palestinian Arabs could equally have done so. Why didn't they?

"Palestinian" national identity is a modern construct. There has never been an Arab country called Palestine and the people that others call "Palestinians" are a mix of people but mainly recent Arab immigrants during the ottoman period and afterwards.

There was no call for a state while Jordan occupied what is now the West Bank and Egypt the Gaza Strip. Also it's doubtful that the people in these territories have a national identity outside dislike of Israel.

That's not to say I think the people who live in these territories should not have the right to self determination. But I think their motivations and desires are misunderstood in the west.

BelleHathor · 22/01/2025 15:28

Not that myth again.... Palestinians (along with the Lebanese and Syrian) are not "Arabs". Their DNA quite clearly shows that that they are descendants of the ancient Canaanites and people who lived in the Levant over 1000s of years.

Kindatired · 22/01/2025 18:37

people that others call "Palestinians" are a mix of people but mainly recent Arab immigrants during the ottoman period and afterwards.
This was an idea promulgated in the last century and gained traction with the help of Joan Peters book “From time Immemorial “ which was subsequently discredited by leading Israeli and US historians and demographers, due to really bad methodology.
Many countries that formed part of large empires didn’t have a National identity- it doesn’t mean that they saw themselves as British or French or Turkish or didn’t have a shared culture and heritage. You can’t say that Zimbabwean people don’t have a right to self determination because they didn’t see themselves as Zimbabwean until they chose the ethnically neutral name for the country.
These comments seem to suggest that the op thinks that the Palestinians do not have the right to live in the West Bank and this trajectory of thought would lead to the justification of ethnic cleansing.

SharonEllis · 22/01/2025 18:42

Kindatired · 22/01/2025 18:37

people that others call "Palestinians" are a mix of people but mainly recent Arab immigrants during the ottoman period and afterwards.
This was an idea promulgated in the last century and gained traction with the help of Joan Peters book “From time Immemorial “ which was subsequently discredited by leading Israeli and US historians and demographers, due to really bad methodology.
Many countries that formed part of large empires didn’t have a National identity- it doesn’t mean that they saw themselves as British or French or Turkish or didn’t have a shared culture and heritage. You can’t say that Zimbabwean people don’t have a right to self determination because they didn’t see themselves as Zimbabwean until they chose the ethnically neutral name for the country.
These comments seem to suggest that the op thinks that the Palestinians do not have the right to live in the West Bank and this trajectory of thought would lead to the justification of ethnic cleansing.

Except she said 'That's not to say I think the people who live in these territories should not have the right to self determination.' So clearly not justifying ethnic cleansing.

mollyfolk · 22/01/2025 22:48

@user243245346

They are not all considered illegal in Israel.

Israel and Israelis did indeed acquire land through both legal and illegal means. However the occupation of the West Bank is considered illegal under international law and by most of the international community.

Palestinians are certainly not evicted "they they would be anywhere" it's an unfair system that is set up to benefit Israeli settlers over the Palestinians.

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-01-21/ty-article/.premium/israel-rejects-98-of-palestinian-building-permit-requests-in-west-banks-area-c/0000017f-f7ce-d044-adff-f7ff0b250000

mollyfolk · 22/01/2025 22:52

@SharonEllis

She said that all that have in common is hatred of Israel. Something misunderstood by the west.

It's fairly dehumanising talk. These people faking a shared identity and gathering together in hate against.

EasterIssland · 03/03/2025 09:51

A movie about settlements have won the Oscar.

Hours before the film’s Oscar win, residents of the West Bank area depicted in the documentary were attacked by Israeli settlers who were accompanied by Israeli forces, the official Palestinian news agency Wafa reported.
Israeli soldiers detained three people in the area and settlers attacked residents of the village of Khirbet Asfi, in Masafer Yatta, throwing stones, destroying solar panels and damaging water tanks, Wafa reported, citing the head of the Susiya village council Jihad Nawajaa.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/03/03/entertainment/no-other-land-palestine-israel-oscar-win-intl-hnk

ScrollingLeaves · 08/03/2025 08:49

bearofepic · 04/11/2023 20:05

Do settlers that kill or injure Palestinians face any consequences for their actions whatsoever?

No, and if they throw stones they don’t either. Whereas if Palestinian throws stones, even a very young person they are put into prison. The IDF might even shoot them.

ScrollingLeaves · 08/03/2025 08:52

EasterIssland · 07/03/2025 13:54

Israel settlers storm purported rabbi’s shrine in Lebanon

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-settlers-storm-purported-rabbis-shrine-lebanon

It looks as though their attritional invasion has begun there.

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