Placards from antisemitic marches in London

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I had written this as a response to the other thread which was closed as it was overrun by antisemitic d**ks. As I'm sure this one will be too. They can't allow us to share the truth of what is being said and done in our own home towns and cities.

Look at these images. No, they are not in the minority or unusual. Here are just a few of many, many overtly antisemitic placards from Saturday's protest in London. (And a bonus one from 2021, which the lovely John McDonnell also spoke at.)

This is MY HOME. I am Jewish. My family fled pogroms in Eastern Europe and Nazis in Germany. Those family members who didn't flee were murdered for being Jews. And here we fucking are again. In London. And people defending it.

This is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. These are Jew-haters, the faces of hate, the faces of anger and mockery, openly calling for Jews, for me, my family, my children, my parents, to be murdered, in my home city.

And people are defending it. How the fuck do you think we feel?

Not surprised by this

Unfortunately antisemitics are everywhere in are society. I believe that some sly ones will have got themselves into various positions that mean they can damage the lifes of Jews without having commit a crime themselves

It is appauling the police didn't vet him properly though.

*A woman was also seen holding a placard which showed an image of the Star of David being thrown into a dustbin, with the slogan: “Let’s keep the world clean.”

Someone on Twitter has found that illustration was originally used by the National Front back in the day. Interesting bit of 'recycling'.

@SolomonEdGrundy No, not an anti religion one like that one, but nice try. I won't be posting an NF leaflet here but Daniel Sugarman has it on Twitter if anyone wants to look.

It is appauling the police didn't vet him properly though

I'm sure they know exactly who Attiq Malik is, @Trulywonderful - also what his views are - but it comes under the catch-all "community engagement" whereby they try to lessen tension by giving such hatemongers a voice

The same applies to general inaction in response to many of the marchers' activities, since too many arrests are deemed to "inflame the situation"

Unfortunately they ignore that all this is merely perceived as weakness, so such people continue to feel enabled and just escalate

Well that explains why the police are standing by and ignoring blatant antisemitism and harassment.

Ignore and it grows and grows. It will sadly get worse if the police ignore to pacify certain members of our society.

If the Jewish population in Germany had a stated aim to wipe out the state and some of its members had raped and burned alive non-Jewish families, I could see the parallels with the Holocaust. That, and just a few other minor details ....

It's perfectly true that if generalised sweeping non specific charges are made about happenings I ask for a reference - perfectly reasonable for anyone who doesn't want to become part of a twatter hatemob.
Have seen all sorts of things - comments made about stuff happening in London that turned out to be the other side of the planet.
It is also clear that there are folks on both sides of the issue trying to stir up hate and division, making sweeping statements. I have no desire to become their tool.

On the march LAST weekend about ten were arrested I think - at least one not a lot to do with the march - a guy hurling abuse at the march and then racially insulting a police officer. That's 10 out of a march that was reckoned to comprise between 70,000 and 100,00 people. Yes some were arrested afterwards by some sort of police trawl. Arrested is not charged, let alone found guilty of anything. The police arrest folks for all sorts of reasons - most recently in a particularly misguided operation, during the coronation procession. They are also coming under intense pressure from a profoundly irresponsible (hell I'm being polite this morning) Braverman.

>>And I don't know. If i want more info on something I go and look not automatically put prove it....pictures or it didn't happen.

This is a forum/conversation I think. If someone says something more than reasonable to ask them about it. Am not on broader social media and could waste a lifetime trawling through there looking at all manner of trash/hate/misinformation.

This is a long long thread - if time may dig through and uncover other questions put to me.

Here's to a peaceful resolution in the middle east - I DO fear that some of the stuff on this thread won't contribute to it though.

And Braverman definitely won't.

@SolomonEdGrundy
wasn't aware of that equalopps graphic you posted - thanks. Deserves a wider usage I think.

You're quite right of course, but the trouble is that some of these types have been pacified and enabled for years and what we're seeing are the results of that ghastly mistake

Doubtless it'll delight the kind of useful idiots who continue to minimise and attempt deflection in response to antisemitic hate, but it doesn't actually do anything to address the problem, just as it hasn't for generations

Hen Mazzig has fixed the BBC coverage of yesterday's protest. It is worth viewing on his twitter

This happened this morning and was largely ignored by the press and social media:

"Hundreds of people gathered at a vigil in central London this morning to demand the safe return of the innocent civilians currently being held hostage by Hamas.

Many were draped in Israeli flags and held posters saying 'kidnapped' and 'bring them home' with the names and faces of hostages captured by the terrorist organisation.

Emotional songs of peace rang out in Parliament Square as protestors sang the Israeli national anthem Hatikva - simply translating to 'the hope'.

Those in attendance also held solemn moments of silence which were interrupted only by chants of 'Bring them home'.

Elsewhere in the UK, supporters also gathered at a silent vigil outside the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh to remember those who are being held hostage.

Heart-shaped balloons were attached to shoes to represent each of the hundreds of people believed to have been kidnapped."

@Trulywonderful thanks so much. I felt sorry for the officers standing like lemons on the steps of the National Gallery having fireworks thrown at them. I've been on a fair few demos in my time and it doesn't usually work like that, for a millionth amount of the provocation (in some cases, none whatever)

The contrast with the Parliament Square gathering calling for the hostages to be released is marked.

I'm sure the majority at pro Palestine demonstrations are not waving antisemitic placards or being violent, in large crowds its easy to not be fully aware of what's happening quite close by. However, there is evidence of cause for serious concern about the behaviour of some elements and the police need to work out how to deal with this effectively, on the spot, before it really boils over.

One Iranian man yesterday had a placard saying "Hamas are terrorists". He was yelled at and booed by other protesters who tried to grab the placard off him.

He was so brave to do that. Iranian people around the world have largely been very supportive of Israel and Jews. There has been a lot of support in the way of actions for the Jewish people from Iranians. They totally get what has been going on because they know the regime and ideology there people have been living under.

After the pogrom the Iran football supporters even showed support at a game in Iran. A few Hamas fans started to try and wave Palestinian flags. The rest of the stadium shouted abuse and booed. This considering what theown police like was really brave and amazing of them.

It is so sad that despite the general public here are not more vocal about stamping out extremist behaviour here and don't take action when they see abuse or antisemitism happen.

The transport police for London have asked people to send them videos or photos and report any antisemitism they see. Plus obviously the police wish people to do the same. Maybe if people can at least make a start by doing this we can get a handle on things.

Also quite a few Iranians in the UK detest the Iranian regime, plenty had parents who came over when the Shah was deposed and they protest against the appalling Iranian regime from London.

At the pro-Palestine march on Sunday, understood to have been organised by the Brighton and Hove Palestine Solidarity Campaign. A pro-Palestine protester was seen tearing down a balloon display set up in solidarity with Israeli children kidnapped by Hamas.

The man was carrying a large Palestinian flag at the time, was seen wearing a brown checked shirt, blue jeans and a black jacket.

When confronted by a horrified onlooker, who asked him why he tore the balloons down, he said: 'This is someone else's demonstration.'

When told that the public park where the protest took place was a 'free space', he replied: 'No, but it's not.'

A police liaison officer escorted the protester away. He was later seen freely walking with marchers around 20 minutes afterwards.

It is not currently clear whether the protester faced any punishment for ripping the balloons down.

Sussex Police said in a social media post earlier today: 'We are aware of content circulating on social media in relation to protest activity in Brighton and Hove today, and we have taken action.

*A woman has been arrested on suspicion of criminal damage

*Aman has been arrested on suspicion of common assault

*A man has been arrested on suspicion of a racially aggravated public order offence

*Aman has been arrested on suspicion of criminal damage and a racially aggravated public order offence.

Yes, agree. I’ve yet to meet any Iranian living in the UK who is pro the current Iranian government (for all the reasons you’ve mentioned).

Apart from when it's blatant antisemitism.

@MrTiddlesTheCat FYI, there have been many Jewish people at the marches, speaking out against Israel's war crimes and saying "not in our name". I suppose you consider them to be self-loathing Jews and anti-Semites for not having the same political views as yourself?

Anyone who supports the actions of Israel's current government is a menace to humanity.

@Ecdysiast the image you posted is antisemitic. It is identified on respectable, academic sites as antisemitic and is well used on those that routinely identify Jews with the Nazi regime, long prior to the current horrible situation.

It obviously portrays "powerful Jews" stamping out a weaker opponent by invoking antisemitism to deflect criticism. Note the gloved hand. The smaller and weaker Palestinian opponent echoes King David (a Jewish national hero who overcame a mighty foe) which falls apart a bit as I don't think the Hamas terrorists who went into Israel on 7/10 were using slingshots and they were not heroes.

I will say again: what is happening in Gaza is appalling. Posting antisemitic tropes on a thread specifically discussing the effect of such on British Jews will not help or change that one iota. MNHQ can decide, anyway.

What kind of person comes onto a thread about antisemitic placards to post an antisemitic cartoon?