Placards from antisemitic marches in London

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I had written this as a response to the other thread which was closed as it was overrun by antisemitic d**ks. As I'm sure this one will be too. They can't allow us to share the truth of what is being said and done in our own home towns and cities.

Look at these images. No, they are not in the minority or unusual. Here are just a few of many, many overtly antisemitic placards from Saturday's protest in London. (And a bonus one from 2021, which the lovely John McDonnell also spoke at.)

This is MY HOME. I am Jewish. My family fled pogroms in Eastern Europe and Nazis in Germany. Those family members who didn't flee were murdered for being Jews. And here we fucking are again. In London. And people defending it.

This is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. These are Jew-haters, the faces of hate, the faces of anger and mockery, openly calling for Jews, for me, my family, my children, my parents, to be murdered, in my home city.

And people are defending it. How the fuck do you think we feel?

I think this is the interview referred to:

www.channel4.com/news/palestinian-solidarity-campaign-responds-to-criticism-from-the-home-secretary-of-marches

as I said I am sure there were anti semites on the march.
A minority.
Not representative of the march - which has been labelled an anti semitic march.
The one in the middle bottom row I have actually called out with some serious serious force.
Do the marches have a right to exist? - yes
should they continue? - yes until there is a ceasefire.
I may go on the one on the 11th - time to stop sitting on the sidelines I think.
Will try to report back if I do.

Channel 4 News interview with Ben Jamal, Director of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, the organisation behind these marches. There's a transcript of some of the interview up thread.

Wow. So now you know the true driving force behind these marches, the belief that Israel has no right to exist, you're still thinking of giving them your support. We see you!

thanks - will check out when have a mo - my settings won't let me see it at the moment - tinkering needed.
If someone has a transcript/plain text, feel free to post.

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I am disagreeing with the portrayal of the marches as anti semitic from what I know.
Am not aware that the marches are calling for an end to Israel.
I thought I had made this clear.
I have also made clear that yes Israel has a right to exist.
And that anti semitism stinks and individual anti semites should be called out.

So what
>>"We see you!"

means I have no idea at all.
You see what?

This is a bit silly, isn’t it?
many people are out marching for a ceasefire and in solidarity with the Palestinian people who are suffering. One person has stated that Israel needs to stop being an apartheid state. I haven’t watched the interview but from the transcript that you typed up above thread, I don’t see him calling for Israel to cease to exist, more that he’s asking for an end to the violent oppression and apartheid in the West Bank and Gaza that the Palestinians are suffering.

We’ve already established that these marches have many Jewish people on it (my own family and friends) and whilst a small minority will use this as an excuse to let out their latent Jew-hatred, I think the majority are marching for an end to the military conflict and not for an end to Israel’s existence.

By vilifying other posters and making them feel bad for taking part in marches, you really are just inciting more hatred. (“we see you?” Really?)

@MrTiddlesTheCat
Many of the placards that the OP posted are most definitely anti semitic and i hope that anyone who is showing any sort of anti semitism at these protests are arrested. The met are definitely in the process of identifying and charging those who have.
These are a very small number in proportion to over a hundred thousand who have marched.

Our government is complicit in the massacre of the palestinian people
I for one will use the democratic right given to me to call them out on this and demand a ceasefire
One child is being killed every 10 minutes in Gaza. Can you not see why people would be upset about this and take to the streets?

Absolutely protest and demand a ceasefire if that's what you want. But don't do it by attaching yourself to an antisemitic organisation and then pleading ignorance of their true aims.

People who attend these marches are throwing their weight behind antisemitism. I completely accept that many are going for other reasons and feel strongly about the horror happening in Gaza. But can you not see that if you march arm in arm with antisemites you will be seen to be the same?

There is not only one organiser for these marches
There are many held all over the country by different organisations

"There are hundreds of Jews on the demonstration. In fact, I've never experienced the more beautiful energy. I saw no hate, just a kind of a wonderful caring for humanity"
Alexei Sayle, Jewish.

Also Alexei Sayle: I knew Jeremy Corbyn for years because we were both patrons of the Palestinian Solitary Campaign...this man, this luminous saintly man..." Not sure his judgment is the best tbh.

Again. The vast majority will not be “throwing their weight behind antisemitism.”
I truly believe most people on these marches are marching for a ceasefire and an end to Israeli military violence.

@WriterHK that man was asked repeatedly in interviews (I watched one on channel 4 and guru-Murphy asked him numerous times) whether Israel had a right to exist and refused to answer. He did everything other than answer.
Therefore providing the answer.

Most people on those marches don't realise what a ceasefire would do to Israel and how much it would embolden Hamas.

Iv just seen he has put out a tweet regarding that
Maybe another thread can be started to discuss it as it seems abit disrespectful to the OP to discuss it on here
So I won't put it up here as it will just derail the thread

How will it derail the thread? it relates directed to the matter discussed on the thread.

You asked a question, you didn’t like the answer. Nothing about derailing, all about the answer not convenient to your narrative.

I’m not really sure this war is about eliminating Hamas anymore, but we are derailing the thread and there are other threads that these points can be addressed.

I wonder if many at the marches genuinely don’t know the various points of the definition of antisemitism? Not talking about the placard with the Christ imagery (which is obvious and vile,) but the Hitler moustache one on Bibi. I genuinely think some people are confused, as upthread, a PP couldn’t understand why the Hitler analogy wouldn’t be antisemitic for Putin but is for Bibi. Not making excuses of anyone, but suggesting that maybe genuinely people aren’t aware?

Sorry but what are you talking about? Which question and which answer?
And which narrative?

@Parkingt111 it is literally what this thread is about. The not subtle flashes of antisemitism on these marches and people who are organising/ attending them Having ulterior motives. People are literally displaying how they feel and what they think...

I agree lots of Joe Public trott along thinking they are doing the right thing. I wonder how many know anything of the situation really and have any idea the complexities behind asking for a ceasefire. What happens if Israel agrees to a ceasefire and it happens again? Or rockets continue to be launched when Hamas say ' it's not us it's another subsidiary eg Islamic fundamentalists' which is exactly what will happen....

@Stomacharmeleon

I am leaving this thread now. If you want to discuss Ben Jamals tweet on what he meant by Israel being allowed to exist then you will find it on his twitter and can feel free to dicuss it on here if you find it appropriate to do so.

This was and still is my stance that I posted before:;
Many of the placards that the OP posted are most definitely anti semitic and i hope that anyone who is showing any sort of anti semitism at these protests are arrested. The met are definitely in the process of identifying and charging those who have.
These are a very small number in proportion to over a hundred thousand who have marched.

Our government is complicit in the massacre of the palestinian people
I for one will use the democratic right given to me to call them out on this and demand a ceasefire
One child is being killed every 10 minutes in Gaza. Can you not see why people would be upset about this and take to the streets?

Also note there are many marches and protests all over the country with different organisers

There seems to be an issue with demanding a ceasefire from just one side?

Also note there are many marches and protests all over the country with different organisers

This means that it's very possible to do some research and make sure you're attending a march that isn't organised by racists or terrorist sympathisers, who are aiming to harm UK society. Personal responsibility matters.

There seems to be an issue with demanding a ceasefire from just one side?

This is puzzling me also.

This is the tweet, which is basically what he said in the interview:

If not constantly interrupted I would have been able to answer that Israel does not have the right to exist as a state practising the crime of apartheid. No state has that right

https://x.com/BenJamalpsc/status/1719131500686290956?s=20

I see that Stars of David were graffitied all over Jewish buildings in Paris last night, along with the same slogans.

Stars of David have been found graffitied on buildings in the Paris area, in acts that political leaders have said "recall the 1930s".
Some 60 Stars of David were painted on walls in the 14th arrondissement of Paris on Monday night.
France is grappling with a big rise in antisemitic incidents.
More than 850 such acts have been reported in France since the Hamas attacks in Israel on 7 October, says Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin.
Paris authorities announced that an investigation into degradation of property aggravated by racist intent would be launched.
"I am crying, because I am once again seeing the hate that we received when I was a child," a resident of one of the buildings graffitied told the broadcaster BFMTV. "I can't understand it."
In a statement, the mayoralty of the 14th arrondissement wrote that the acts "recall the events of the 1930s... which led to the extermination of millions of Jews".
Emmanuel Grégoire, deputy to Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo, said the stars would be removed and an investigation launched.
"Antisemitism continues to kill," Mr Grégoire said. "We will never give up the fight."

Similar graffiti was also found in Parisian suburbs including Vanves, Fontenay-aux-Roses, Aubervilliers and Saint-Ouen. The stars were sometimes accompanied by inscriptions such as "from the river to the sea, Palestine will win," according to reports.
The Mayor of Saint-Ouen, Karim Bouamrane, called for the authors of the "antisemitic and racist" graffiti in his city to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Prosecutors have cautioned, however, that it is still unclear whether the stars are antisemitic in nature.
On Tuesday, Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne condemned what she termed "disgraceful acts".
The sharp rise in antisemitic incidents worries 83% of French people, a poll for BFMTV found.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67274777

This bit though:
Prosecutors have cautioned, however, that it is still unclear whether the stars are antisemitic in nature.

I'm starting to see that for some people, literally nothing can be described as antisemitic, even when it's as absolutely blatant and overt as this.

I used to think people just didn't understand. But I'm starting to see that there are a lot of people for whom it's axiomatic. Nothing is antisemitic. Jews are always fair game.