To think Israel won't exist much longer?

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Support in the west is declining, and when Israel doesn't have weapons and defense funding they won't be able to defend against their neighbouring countries on their own. AIBU to wonder how much longer it can exist given they are losing support?

@ketchup07070 there was propaganda about Al shifaa hospital
But nothing about Al Quds

@Parkingt111 Thank you. It is awful.

Just seen this breaking on twitter- apparently an Israeli government directive from 13 Oct to move 2.4 million Gazans to other countries- ethnic cleansing I believe?

It's not 'propaganda,' they are known to use hospitals as headquarters. Amnesty reported on it in 2015 and NYT now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/28/world/middleeast/gaza-al-shifa-hospital-israel.html

Again
That is what Israel says
And even if hypothetically its true there is no justification to bomb a hospital where the ill have nowhere to go

Excellent question. Just because they were known years ago to hide below a hospital doesn't mean they were hiding below this hospital. I hope there was incontestible proof at least.

This

Don't jump on me with terrible...oh how crazy etc but is there anyway another country could gift land to Jewish people

Someone said it's the size of Wales? Surely great swathes of America, Canada etc have enough land...

I am sure they would know... Re hospital.

I would bet that the Israeli intelligence service have received credible information that they are.

Think about it. Attacking a hospital full of civilians doesn't give them any military advantage does it? So why would they risk their lives doing so?

They don't need to be gifted land. They already have land.

Yes indeed they do. And they are smack in the no middle of countries with almost medieval regimes.... Imagine it they couid move to western democratic place

Don't jump on me with terrible...oh how crazy etc but is there anyway another country could gift land to Jewish people

If I suggested the same solution for Palestinians, what would your response be?

That it's easier to Co exist with people's who share the same beliefs and structure....

Isreal is the odd man out in the region?

I haven't caught the news today, but I thought they were bombing it at no risk to their own lives?

Well if they are on the ground in Gaza then they're risking their lives aren't they?

@NotSuchASmugMarried I saw they were bombing adjacent to the hospital, so assumed this bombing is done from a safe distance. Their other ground manoeuvers may be hazardous, but the unprecedented bombardment over the weekend should have cleared the area pretty well. Of course, there's a risk to life if they go in on the ground, but, I was only asking about bombing the hospital.

Well Israel allegedly know where the Hamas HQ are in underground tunnels, but they are still bombing residential areas and we've yet to see a single attempt of them going after, well, Hamas.

Are you for real? Do you genuinely believe that all of Hamas are hiding in just one place?!

Why should Jews have to leave land they've been present in for thousands of years, land that is holy to them, just because the other side are shouting louder? It's not just about a land, it's also about the land.

Why in a world where Islam started worldwide religious conquest of lands and peoples, followed by Christianity would "another country" gift Jewish people enough land to build a nation when Israel is historically Jewish? Why is the only Jewish nation in the world so contentious for so many when there is hardly a nation, much less any nation where religiosity is ingrained into its identity that hasn't been wrought by conquest and displacement?
Nobody who is "pro Palestine" or "anti Zionist" as a part of their political identity has ever been able to answer me this question on my three and a half decades of my asking it. Especially in light of Muslim and Christian conquest and forced conversion of lands and swathes of people crossing all continents, with Judaism the only Abrahamic religion where conversion is not an important tenet and any conversion is far from being as easy as with Islamic or Christian conversion.

Do people not know the chronological order of Abrahamic religions with Judaism being by far the oldest and Islam the youngest?
Would these same people suggest that the imperialist Islamism that has caused and still causes reactions all over the world, stop?
Or do Black and Brown lives only matter if a White/ Whitish person/ peoples can be blamed for their degradation?
I don't see the same gyration and attempted erasure when mixed Arab Muslim Sudanese oppress the indigenous Black African and Muslim Sudanese to the point of there being a far flung diaspora of Dinka people all over the world.
I do not see the suggestion that the Fulani bugger off to Saudi Arabia so that the murderous Islamism in Nigeria can ease off.
I haven't seen a trailer load of threads condemning Saudi destruction of a Muslim Yemen which is already one of the poorest countries in the world, even though any regular Brit commercial TV watcher cannot escape Gemma Chan and Ewan McGregor's faces begging money on behalf of aid for Yemenese people.
So when it's Brown against Black Muslim genocide and displacement or Arab against Arab Muslim genocide and displacement , all which make Israeli pushbacks against surrounding incursions from 1948 look like a playground fight....it's silence and no Muslim or "ally" cri de coeur about oppression or genocide, racism , no bawling about Brown lives not mattering and certainly no mention of there being as much of a racial heirarchy amongst Muslims as in The West and most certainly no mention of Muslims buggering off to Saudi Arabia, the better to live good in the land of provenance of their religion, the better not to experience Islamophobia or pushback against their presence near to anywhere or anywhere non Muslim? Or is victim blaming only a thing for Jewish people ?
Imagine typing so confidently as if the notion of ONE Jewish state in this world is up for debate or a reshuffle like a pack of cards, to be decided by non Israelis?
And then imagine how anti Semitism is so ingrained into the fabric of the world that one can type this suggestion and still choose to press "enter" with the caveat that nobody is to bite of their head in reply.
I'm not Jewish. But I will go to my grave thinking that anti Semetism is a Red Flag for anti Blackness, misogyny and homophobia ( internalised and not).....or at the very best, an ability to compartmentalise to the point of sociopathy.

It's quite likely that Saxons lived on the land where my house is built now. Should descendants of Saxons from America come now and legitimately claim my home? These are the homes of individual people here you are talking about that have been taken.
AFAIK Jewish people believe the land of Israel was promised to them by God, therefore it is rightfully theirs? That is forcing everyone else to accept this as a religious ideology - which is grossly unfair. Why should Muslims, Christians and Bahai's be forced to leave when they have been living there for thousands of years? Why is one ethno religious group more important than others to the extent that is causes ethnic cleansing? Why should that be acceptable? I'm asking that genuinely here, because that is the root problem.