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Stop this insanity

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Zzbutton · 25/10/2023 17:04

This has to stop. No debates about which side is right or wrong. Come on people no one with any shred of humanity can surely say what is happening in Gaza right now is ok under ANY justification. I’m absolutely heartbroken to see the world just watching and doing nothing. And getting angrier by the day. I’m in Ireland and thank god our government is calling for what’s right. But they are not doing enough. No one is. There is no politics or background or religion or any moral reason on this planet that makes what’s happening ok. If you think so I think that’s appalling. Each individual needs to do something to say NO to this slaughter, aside from what beliefs you hold about who the ‘good and bad guys’ are.

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Alcemeg · 27/10/2023 19:57

ThinkWise · 27/10/2023 19:38

I do think that we don't have to have brilliant ideas to avoid war. If this is one country's defense failure, they should accept. Responsible leader should resign. New leadership should use diplomacy to release the people in their captivity and then plan the hunt for militants.

As paer the latest news IDF dint worry aboyt their civilians while they attack terrorists back. Same is happening with Hamas. Hamas is any way ready to die, but it isn't same what civilians in Israel ,IDF want to fallow. So It is on all those who let palastenians to be palasteninas and not perpetuating hamas.

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I like the idea, but am not sure diplomacy works with Hamas. If it did, I'd be there making them all cups of tea until everyone was smiling and shaking hands.

RubyRubyRubyRubay · 27/10/2023 19:59

The west are basically backing a country to starve 2 M people to death.

I am so ashamed to be pat of a human race that does this to each other.

It needs to stop. All of it. All arms manufacture needs to be stopped throughout the world.

I know it won't happen. Naive to think humans will ever grow the fuck up.

howdoesyourgardengrowinmay · 27/10/2023 19:59

You can't stop insane people from being insane.

ThinkWise · 27/10/2023 20:00

Alcemeg · 27/10/2023 19:57

I like the idea, but am not sure diplomacy works with Hamas. If it did, I'd be there making them all cups of tea until everyone was smiling and shaking hands.

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diplomacy do not wark with hamas, but work with humanity. hamas will be eleminated by humanity if Israeli civilians stop giving up their lives and act to decide who should represent them.

ThinkWise · 27/10/2023 20:02

RubyRubyRubyRubay · 27/10/2023 19:59

The west are basically backing a country to starve 2 M people to death.

I am so ashamed to be pat of a human race that does this to each other.

It needs to stop. All of it. All arms manufacture needs to be stopped throughout the world.

I know it won't happen. Naive to think humans will ever grow the fuck up.

ok we are in west, are we ready to promote who is totally against killings?

RubyRubyRubyRubay · 27/10/2023 20:05

ThinkWise · 27/10/2023 20:02

ok we are in west, are we ready to promote who is totally against killings?

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Can you rephrase that question please?
I don't understand what you are asking.

ThinkWise · 27/10/2023 20:05

Alcemeg · 27/10/2023 19:48

I think they've probably given quite a lot of thought to that, and face impossible choices.

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had they given little thought, they would stop killing anyone. They dont want possibilities . They want to be in power at the cost of their own civilians safety,

FOJN · 27/10/2023 20:13

thedevilsgift · 27/10/2023 19:17

So are you saying here that you can never stop a murderous anti-Semitic movement dedicated to the destruction of your people and state, so you shouldn’t even try?

I hope that is not what you meant, but it sure sounds like it.

I have no idea what the solution is here. No one does. But I do object to those placing the blame for all this death and destruction entirely on Israel whilst Hamas is given a responsibility body swerve. It’s Hamas that knowingly served up the people of Gaza to all this destruction. They are bloody evil. Freedom fighters my fucking arse.

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So are you saying that if the only way to get rid of Hamas is to kill 2.3 million civilians (50% under the age of 18) that you're OK with that.

I hope that's not what you meant but it sure sounds like it.

Shitty bad faith takes are really easy to manufacture if you take pleasure in being a GF.

thedevilsgift · 27/10/2023 20:13

FOJN · 27/10/2023 15:22

I have a whimsical suggestion for you....

How about if Israel had not reacted exactly as Hamas expected. Hamas wouldn't have had a clue what to do next. Their plan appears to be based on making Israel react which means Hamas are in the driving seat. Israel could have engaged their brains and turned the tables in the PR war in an instant but they didn't and now they look stupid and incompetent. Not content with killing Gaza civilians they now want to send their reservists to die in Gaza.

Instead of capitalising on public sympathy Israel thought they could do what they have got away with for too long and bomb Gazan civilians. Only this time the world was paying attention to their dehumanising rhetoric and rather than realise their mistake Israel have doubled down, it's almost as if they can't quite believe that the majority of humanity isn't OK with heaping atrocity on top of atrocity.

No one has said "oh well" about October 7th. If you have to distort the truth to that extent I think it's because you know that what is happening in Gaza is not acceptable.

Again I ask you, how many people would you accept dying in the attempt to destroy an idea?

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I suspect if Israel had done this they would have looked weak to their Arab neighbours, not wise, and that weakness would have been taken as an open field day for Islamist attackers to murder and commit atrocities against Israeli citizens without fear of recrimination.

I suspect Israel believes it only survives by being seen as strong, fierce and indefeatable.

thedevilsgift · 27/10/2023 20:19

FOJN · 27/10/2023 20:13

So are you saying that if the only way to get rid of Hamas is to kill 2.3 million civilians (50% under the age of 18) that you're OK with that.

I hope that's not what you meant but it sure sounds like it.

Shitty bad faith takes are really easy to manufacture if you take pleasure in being a GF.

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If you read what I actually wrote, without the distorting lens of your bias, you will see that I very explicitly did not say what you allege, but actually said the opposite.. You can read my other posts on this thread to give you context too if you wish.

Can I suggest that if you are so provoked by people engaging and debating your publicly stated opinions, then perhaps discussions n platforms such as this are not for you.

ThinkWise · 27/10/2023 20:19

RubyRubyRubyRubay · 27/10/2023 20:05

Can you rephrase that question please?
I don't understand what you are asking.

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My Question here for everyone who is worried about Rishi Sunak's stand or any other opposition leader's stand, are we ready to promote anyone who say NO for the war ?? If we say No for the war, why we are allowing them to spend in defense. Im sorry but when we all want ciesefire, do we actually know what is our responsibility and can we do what it take?

FOJN · 27/10/2023 20:26

thedevilsgift · 27/10/2023 20:13

I suspect if Israel had done this they would have looked weak to their Arab neighbours, not wise, and that weakness would have been taken as an open field day for Islamist attackers to murder and commit atrocities against Israeli citizens without fear of recrimination.

I suspect Israel believes it only survives by being seen as strong, fierce and indefeatable.

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They were about to normalise relations with Saudi. Hamas were determined to stop that, it's worked. With the exception of Iran and it's proxies all the Arab nations initially condemned Hamas. Israel had them all on side. Erdogan offered to be an intermediary in negotiations and now he's describing Hamas as mujahideen! The situation in Gaza is losing Israel support.

FOJN · 27/10/2023 20:33

thedevilsgift · 27/10/2023 20:19

If you read what I actually wrote, without the distorting lens of your bias, you will see that I very explicitly did not say what you allege, but actually said the opposite.. You can read my other posts on this thread to give you context too if you wish.

Can I suggest that if you are so provoked by people engaging and debating your publicly stated opinions, then perhaps discussions n platforms such as this are not for you.

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I read what you wrote, perhaps you should too. If you don't appreciate me deploying the same passive aggressive approach back at you then maybe you shouldn't be using it.

Israel have choices and are a democratically elected government, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect higher standards from them that I do terrorists. Expecting more of Hamas would be pointless.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2023 20:36

Notaflippinclue · 25/10/2023 18:16

Give up the hostages, Palestinians give up Hamas, Israel will stop.

I bet my house this isn't true.

Alcemeg · 27/10/2023 20:44

ThinkWise · 27/10/2023 20:05

had they given little thought, they would stop killing anyone. They dont want possibilities . They want to be in power at the cost of their own civilians safety,

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OK...

Alcemeg · 27/10/2023 20:47

FOJN · 27/10/2023 20:26

They were about to normalise relations with Saudi. Hamas were determined to stop that, it's worked. With the exception of Iran and it's proxies all the Arab nations initially condemned Hamas. Israel had them all on side. Erdogan offered to be an intermediary in negotiations and now he's describing Hamas as mujahideen! The situation in Gaza is losing Israel support.

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Yes. But to put the boot into Israel, in this nightmarish situation, is (to put it mildly) adding insult to unfathomably deep injury.

ChickHenLittle · 27/10/2023 20:49

What the IDF is doing now can't be justified. It's barbaric and most of the world is, quite rightly, horrified and against what they're doing to Gaza.

Alcemeg · 27/10/2023 20:50

howdoesyourgardengrowinmay · 27/10/2023 19:59

You can't stop insane people from being insane.

As I'm learning... 😂😜

TakeMe2Insanity · 27/10/2023 20:51

Zzbutton · 27/10/2023 19:27

Internet is down in Gaza. Palestinian people were showing (not telling) the world what was happening. Now they can’t. Please people don’t look the other way let our governments know any way we can by protests, letters, emails and the internet that we do not support what is happening to civilians in Gaza. 💔

This made me so sad when I read this earlier this evening. The Palestinians are literally having their lives and voices sucked out of them. It makes it so easy for the world to put blinkers on and forget what’s happening to them.

I also heard that in the West Bank they’re now using live ammunition in response to child stone throwers.

ChickHenLittle · 27/10/2023 20:53

TakeMe2Insanity · 27/10/2023 20:51

This made me so sad when I read this earlier this evening. The Palestinians are literally having their lives and voices sucked out of them. It makes it so easy for the world to put blinkers on and forget what’s happening to them.

I also heard that in the West Bank they’re now using live ammunition in response to child stone throwers.

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What? Guns against STONES? I'm disgusted, in the truest sense of the word, that this is being allowed to happen. Shame on Sunak and Biden mot only for allowing this to happen, but for actively supporting it. Shameful.

Believeitornot · 27/10/2023 20:54

ChickHenLittle · 27/10/2023 20:53

What? Guns against STONES? I'm disgusted, in the truest sense of the word, that this is being allowed to happen. Shame on Sunak and Biden mot only for allowing this to happen, but for actively supporting it. Shameful.

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They’ve done this for years. It’s not new sadly.

FOJN · 27/10/2023 20:55

ChickHenLittle · 27/10/2023 20:49

What the IDF is doing now can't be justified. It's barbaric and most of the world is, quite rightly, horrified and against what they're doing to Gaza.

The IDF released a video a few hours ago to provide evidence that Hamas are using Shifa Hospital as their HQ. I hope that doesn't mean what I think it does. At this point I couldn't care less if Hamas were on the roof sipping coffee with ISIS, Al Qaeda and the devil himself, there is no excuse for bombing a hospital.

Hamas HQ Hidden Under Gaza's Largest Hospital

____________We are the IDF. Our purpose is to preserve the State of Israel, to protect its independence, and to stop its enemies from disrupting everyday lif...

https://youtu.be/-ggBF9rnBe0?si=IazTU92caYo7D7UI

Daftmum47 · 27/10/2023 21:04

The picture that Sunak tweeted of the huge Israeli flag projected on not Downing Street now makes me sick.

You could see that little man exulting in the chance to play the somber, resolute statesman on the world stage, when all the while he was just indulging his pro-Modi Islamophobia.

Have you read about the rising tensions between Hindus and Muslims in India? A good quarter of the people who reply to Sunak’s tweets are Indian.

Sorry about my bitter tone, I’m just so upset by this now. I have to step away. The images of young Gazan children shaking uncontrollably in shock and trauma are haunting me.

MissyB1 · 27/10/2023 21:07

Alcemeg · 27/10/2023 14:47

It was a whimsical suggestion. Genuinely curious to know how you think Israel should be tackling the threat on its doorstep?

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Oh how lovely that the best you can do is be “whimsical” about the horror befalling innocent civilians tonight.

well I suppose it just doesn’t mean enough to you for you to be serious.

SomeCatFromJapan · 27/10/2023 21:14

The picture that Sunak tweeted of the huge Israeli flag projected on not Downing Street now makes me sick.

That projection was done in solidarity to Israeli civilians who had just suffered an appalling mass atrocity.

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