“I killed 10 Jews with my own hands. I’m using the dead Jewish woman’s phone to call you now.”

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/23/israel-shows-footage-of-hamas-killings-to-counter-denial-of-atrocities

I feel sick.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67198270

"The film also contained an audio recording of one of the Hamas gunmen calling home to his parents in Gaza from the phone of a victim to boast that he had "killed at least 10 Jews with my bare hands".

WARNING: The following paragraphs contain graphic descriptions of violence
"Please open WhatsApp and look how many dead," he implored his parents repeatedly, apparently referring to pictures or video he had sent home showing the attack. "Your son killed so many Jews," he said. "Mum, your son is a hero."

Another sequence showed one Hamas gunman shooting the apparently dead bodies of civilians inside a kibbutz in a celebratory manner, and an attempt to decapitate someone who appeared to be still alive using a garden hoe.
"

'"Mum, your son is a hero."

I've been reliably informed that only men in all societies have been teaching children to hate. This man must be very confused about what would make his mother happy and proud. After all, women only want their children to grow up and be safe and happy. Must be some misunderstanding.

I was at the Bring them home rally in Trafalgar Sq yesterday. Very sad speeches.

It’s absolutely sickening and incomprehensible to me that humans can act like that to other humans.

I mean-bombs and rockets have a terrible impact but to brutalise people at close quarters, taunts and torture their loved ones and to gloat about what they have done. It just defies any shred of morality or humanity.

Yet the sick lying fuckwit that is the Hamas leader said this today of 7th October, he claimed it had never planned on killing civilians.

He said of civilian deaths: "If there was any killing, this was definitely not intended. Definitely."

Sure mate, what about the live stream videos to the relatives or photos they sent some people.

Yet the useful idiots in the west that the media interview was aimed at will believe him. Just wait for it.

I found the footage on bbc new at 10 extremely distressing. The family that allowed them to show the murder of their 18 year old daughter and the father now missing. Her funeral today and no news from him.

The video footage of the Hamas terrorist phoning his mother. What he said to her.

It's beyond reprehensible. I feel whatever I say I am failing those that cannot speak.

Utterly horrific. Should not be forgotten.

Never forget

Utterly horrendous.

This is bloody awful. How anyone can defend the 7th October after the footage I’m seeing by re-framing it as a response to ‘oppression, yada yada’, which is what I’m reading on here, I despair.
Lily livered bastards, the lot of them.

I read an article in the evening standard that said ' wilful amnesia is at work' akin to holocaust denial. The fact that the leader of Hamas Abroad has said 'we do not kill civilians' and that claims were a 'fabrication'

No wonder the IDF feel the need to gather journalists and expose them to footage that's deeply disturbing. I find it even more disturbing that Israel feels if needs to justify its pain given the events of October 7th.

It has consequences that the events of October 7th are being eclipsed, pushed to the margins and deprioritised. Reframed to show it as an act of 'resistance'

Anti-semitism up 1000% and yet the priority is protesters bleating ' jihad' comfortable in their western society where that means very little.

There is a prevailing narrative that I am uncomfortable with. Those events should not be forgotten.

I heard a really sickening description on the radio this morning of what had been done to a family with two kids. I cannot even begin to understand how a human being can do this to another human being, especially children. I actually felt sick after hearing it. This arose from a briefing given to journalists by the Israeli government.

I have no doubt that this will be discounted as propaganda.

I am not Jewish but I have been absolutely horrified by how so many people are dismissing what happened to those poor people by saying "ah but the Israeli army..."

I have never heard a report of any Israeli soldier do anything vaguely like what happened to that family.

Of course I feel for the innocent Palestinian civilians caught up in this but the lack of compassion for the Israelis who were raped, tortured and murdered is astounding.

There is a prevailing narrative that I am uncomfortable with.

I completely agree.

I’ve seen what happened on 7 October being described as an “isolated terrorist attack.” Lots of comments about how terrorists attacks have been carried out in the U.K. too and that the U.K. has never responded in the way Israel has. Do people even understand the nature of the horror that was inflicted on women and children and young people on 7 October?

Those events should not be forgotten.

Sadly, the events are barely being acknowledged. Or if acknowledged, they are being justified. I never thought I’d ever see the day where women would justify the rape of women and butchering of babies. I thinks it’s absolutely terrifying.

All of this.

The anti-semitism this has revealed is astonishing. How else can one explain this absolute callous disregard for the Jewish victims from so many in the UK? Its amazing that so many who would regard themselves as anti-racist have turned away from the victims of this barbaric mass racist attack.

Anyone who has heard the Hamas terrorists speak as they carried out and glorified in their barbarity can have not doubt of the racism as they talked about the Jews they killed.

These were absolute hate crimes of the worst type. These were acts of deep, deep hatred for human beings, including children, that they utterly dehumanised and utterly hated. The tied a parent and child together with wire and burnt them alive. They tied a bunch of children's together with wire and burnt them alive.

Those wanting to talk about 'context' for these attacks is utterly wrong headed. This was just pure evil with absolutely no justification.

Those events should not be forgotten. Sadly, the events are barely being acknowledged. Or if acknowledged, they are being justified. I never thought I’d ever see the day where women would justify the rape of women and butchering of babies. I thinks it’s absolutely terrifying

Absolutely this.

Do people even understand the nature of the horror that was inflicted on women and children and young people on 7 October?

And I don't think they do. I think they are not watching the footage. That would be too challenging for them. Much easier to pretend it was just (understandable because of the 'context') clean killings and a bit of hostage taking than having to acknowledge that your side are hate filled torturers who have committed, and enjoyed committing, utter, planned and deliberate evil.

I don't watch the footage of the death and torment and suffering on either side. I am aware that is has happened and it is awful but I don't need or want those pictures of words or images in my head. It doesn't change the brutality of anyonne's death or the horror they experienced but for me, I don't need to watch someone dying - by gun or sword or bomb or rubble or fire to realize how awful war is and how terrible some have acted and how much pain and suffering victims and their families have experienced.

Yes it interferes with the 'both sidesing'. The narrative is that they all end up equally dead, so what's the difference? Then you can just play numbers games with the body count. That's convenient because Hamas controls and therefore ensures the disparity in body count. They don't want anyone discussing the differences in motives, intent, ideology.

Horrific.

And it will be swiftly swiped under the carpet.

Yes it's utterly disgusting and terrible. But how does that justify random killings of 4000 Palestinians?
Hardly taking the moral high ground are they, Israel?

This isn't a political post I'm just appealing to common sense.

What happened to Israel is simply indefensible, but my goodness, the number of people who try is unfathomable!

@Yorkshirelass04 I think 'random' is an odd use of word.

@SOBplus I know! I’m starting to create ‘minimise the 7th October bingo’. Full house for the use of the words ‘resistance’, ‘oppression’ ‘stealing land’ and ‘fascist Israelis’.

I realise that sounds flippant but it’s my way of coping currently.

No one said it did.