Hostages

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This is running on Al Jazeera and others - apparently Israel refused to take back two hostages.

https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/News/middle-east/2023/10/21/Hamas-says-intended-to-release-two-hostages-but-Israel-refused-to-receive-them

On the BBC it says Hamas will only let more dual nationals leave if egypt accepts more injured palestinians

Personally I have always thought they ended up taking more hostages than planned. So some would definitely have not got the more humanitarian one that was done to fool useful idiots into thinking Hamas are not that bad.

Sadly I believe the excess hostages were seen as not needed and have not had the same treatment as others. Plus some will have been abused and killed

What I believe will happen next is those that have been treated badly will be killed so they cannot talk about there treatment. Then them and those already dead will be gradually announced as killed in the bombings. Though yes some may well actually be killed in the bombing too

1000s of Palestinians are described as 'missing' in Gaza too. Those people haven't been 'misplaced' either. It means that when 100s and 100s of buildings are flattened they can't find every one. They don't have machinery or fuel for machinery to dig through the rubble. A lot of the time they are using lump hammers and their bare hands to try and find people. Lots of people just can't be found under tons of concrete. They are being described as 'missing'. I hope that clears things up a little bit for you.

That sounds like sheer awkwardness - unless it's Hamas trying to get their own injured evacuated/treated again

@OuiOuiKitty actually your whataboutery can do one and so can your lack of empathy.
Do your respond to every post like that? Or just ones about Jewish hostages?
I was commenting on a specific post about news concerning the hostages nothing else.

@Efacsen puts immense pressure on Egypt as well. Perhaps more could help taking people who are injured... Jordan etc?

I'm sorry I upset you, it wasn't my intention at all. You didn't appear to know what 'missing' means in the context of Gaza right now and I was explaining that is all. There was no whataboutery intention there. Again sorry if my post offended you, I really didn't realise that you knew already what 'missing' means.

There was some talk on sending foreign hospital ships to help in treating the wounded from Gaza
But this was only two days ago and I don't know If anything has materialised or even if any country has said they are going to

IDK they seem to be getting quite a lot of help from Turkey and there's another team of specialist trauma surgeons who have the field hospital

And they are using hospitals locally and in Cairo

There's also a French military hospital ship off the coast of Gaza which was waiting to be used

The French vessel has been there a while 7-10 days maybe - I'm not sure how it would work as the Gaza coast is very flat/shallow and the only deep-water port is Port Gaza which is blockaded/destroyed

Does N Sinai have ports?

Talking of hostages - this is a project to film interviews with the relatives of those kidnapped in 7th October. There's only a few so far, it will be added to.

https://www.bringthemhome-diy.com/

El-Arish? I think it has about 15 commercial ports but not sure access wise. I assume medicine San frontier and Doctors Without Borders would have access to Egypt to assist?

Rafah City to El-Arish is only 45km and it looks like there's a main road between the two places - so maybe

A little bit more on this - Hamas wanted to evacuate 30 patients from N Gazan hospitals, Israel said no so, Hamas said no more foreign passport holders can leave

An Egyptian official said that no medical evacuees had arrived at the border since the bombing of the ambulance convoy [the convoy had already turned back because the roads were impassable before it was attacked]

The French vessel La Tonnerre is docked off Cyprus - it's not really a 'hospital ship ''It has a small hospital unit, comprising 69 beds and two operating rooms - the equivalent of a hospital in a French town of 25,000. BBC
Clearly - given the scale of Gazan needs - the impact will be little more than symbolic.
but intended more for the delivery of medical humanitarian aid as has helicopters to deliver it - sorry for the mis-information

Current thinking on releasing the hostages

In a briefing with American reporters on Saturday an unnamed senior White House official started to move the dial on a humanitarian pause saying it would take “a very significant pause in hostilities “to get a large number of hostages out. His remarks found echoes in Qatar, the country mediating between Hamas and Israel that said a period of calm was needed to release hostages.

Guardian

I read something earlier about Israel saying they may give a 4 hour pause for people to get to border that are allowed out.

Some good news for today
Praying they all manage to leave safely
Only two UK nationals on today's list though

Unfortunately for the hostages held by Hamas there has not been any further progress from what I have seen in having them returned home safely to their families.
Qatar has said that their efforts get put back when there are leaks about the progress when they are still in the process of negotiating
So maybe that could be one reason we know so little but something to hold onto for hope that it will still happen

I've only seen this in the Guardian right now

I do agree here with Hamas. Think a safety of a few hours to release these 12 people should be granted so that they’re released and not killed by an air strike as soon as they’re released

I don't know fully what's happening here.
This was the only information available

Also from the Guardian round-up just now

Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israel may consider “tactical little pauses” in fighting to allow the entry of aid or the exit of hostages from the Gaza Strip, but he again rejected calls for a ceasefire.

Cautiously hopeful

''tactical little pauses'' aren't anything like an embaressing 'ceasefire' - no-one loses face

Yes
I really don't know what to make of it all. The last time Hamas said they wanted to release two hostages it was also first reported on Al jazeera before other news channels. But at that time they also gave the two names. And then a few days later those two same hostages were released.

Israel this time haven't responded to Hamas's claims yet so we will have to wait and see and pray that it does happen

IDK @Parkingt111 maybe it's better to release the hostages in small groups [if it happens] rather than struggling with the logistics of releasing 240 all at the same time - with the lack of vehicles/red cross staff and so many of the roads destroyed

Yes it says 12 that hold foreign nationalities but have not released any names.
But again that's just what Hamas have said and this statement could just be released as psychological warfare. Waiting to see what the Israeli response is