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Conflict in the Middle East

To think that water occupation is oppressive?

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Gardenowl · 19/10/2023 10:29

Till now I had read on most of the threads that Palestinians rely on water supply from Israel because they have not bothered to build their own water supply, desalination plants etc. But then one of the posters on another thread posted a link to an Amnesty article about water occupation and I was surprised reading it. Most of the article is about West Bank not Gaza.

Isn't this extremely oppressive? And to take water from your land to supply to the neighbouring country? They must feel so helpless.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/

"In November 1967 the Israeli authorities issued Military Order 158, which stated that Palestinians could not construct any new water installation without first obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. Since then, the extraction of water from any new source or the development of any new water infrastructure would require permits from Israel, which are near impossible to obtain. Palestinians living under Israel’s military occupation continue to suffer the devastating consequences of this order until today. They are unable to drill new water wells, install pumps or deepen existing wells, in addition to being denied access to the Jordan River and fresh water springs. Israel even controls the collection of rain water throughout most of the West Bank, and rainwater harvesting cisterns owned by Palestinian communities are often destroyed by the Israeli army. As a result, some 180 Palestinian communities in rural areas in the occupied West Bank have no access to running water, according to OCHA."

"While restricting Palestinian access to water, Israel has effectively developed its own water infrastructure and water network in the West Bank for the use of its own citizens in Israel and in the settlements – that are illegal under international law. The Israeli state-owned water company Mekorot has systematically sunk wells and tapped springs in the occupied West Bank to supply its population, including those living in illegal settlements with water for domestic, agricultural and industrial purposes. While Mekorot sells some water to Palestinian water utilities, the amount is determined by the Israeli authorities. As a result of continuous restrictions, many Palestinian communities in the West Bank have no choice but to purchase water brought in by trucks at a much high prices ranging from 4 to 10 USD per cubic metre. In some of the poorest communities, water expenses can, at times, make up half of a family’s monthly income.
The Israeli authorities also restrict Palestinians’ access to water by denying or restricting their access to large parts of the West Bank. Many parts of the West Bank have been declared “closed military areas”, which Palestinians may not enter, because they are close to Israeli settlements, close to roads used by Israeli settlers, used for Israeli military training or protected nature reserves.
Israeli settlers living alongside Palestinians in the West Bank – in some cases just a few hundred meters away – face no such restrictions and water shortages, and can enjoy and capitalize on well-irrigated farmlands and swimming pools."

The Occupation of Water

The legacy of Israel’s 50-year occupation of the Palestinian territories has been systematic human rights violations on a mass scale. One of its consequences is the impact of Israel’s discriminatory policies on Palestinians’ access to clean and safe wa...

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water

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newnamethanks · 19/10/2023 10:33

Of course it is oppressive. Thats the point of it.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 19/10/2023 10:36

Sounds it

BodegaSushi · 19/10/2023 10:39

YABU to have thought that they just hadn't 'bothered' to build their own water supply, desalination plants etc

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Gardenowl · 19/10/2023 10:44

BodegaSushi · 19/10/2023 10:39

YABU to have thought that they just hadn't 'bothered' to build their own water supply, desalination plants etc

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I agree! I did believe it (more fool me!) because so many posters on other threads said that in response to people protesting Israel's cutting off water supply to gaza.

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FOJN · 19/10/2023 11:03

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/17/how-israel-uses-water-to-control-west-bank-palestine

There was another G article a few years ago which detailed how Palestinians in the West Bank have to apply for permits to sink a well but they are often denied. If they sink a well without a permit the IDF will destroy it, they destro hundreds every year.

Remarkable that you will see posters claiming Israel is not an apartheid state.

A precious resource: how Israel uses water to control the West Bank

In occupied West Bank villages, Israeli-owned farms are flourishing, while Palestinians often do not have enough water to drink

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/17/how-israel-uses-water-to-control-west-bank-palestine

Jux · 19/10/2023 11:04

I thought this was well known along with the forced taking of land and illegal settlements.

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/10/2023 11:06

Hadn’t “bothered”?! 🤯

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 19/10/2023 11:26

I would think it is.

BodegaSushi · 19/10/2023 11:30

Gardenowl · 19/10/2023 10:44

I agree! I did believe it (more fool me!) because so many posters on other threads said that in response to people protesting Israel's cutting off water supply to gaza.

I appreciate your reply

TakeMe2Insanity · 19/10/2023 12:04

I agree. Israel has had a history of diverting water from the sources. They’ve spread around a great propaganda of telling the world that they’ve managed to irritate the desert and the Palestinians waste their resources.

Jux · 19/10/2023 13:19

Israel has been doing this for years and years - my mother went to 'The Holy Land' about 40 years ago and came back incredibly saddened by the plight of the Palestinians and the way our own people (as she saw it) were behaving. From thenceforth she never referred to the place as Israel but as Palestine.

"Why would a Race whose main argument is that they have been so badly oppressed and treated by other Races throughout history then treat another Race as oppressively as they themselves were, the minute they get the power to do so?" was my mother's constant question. I guess it's the cycle of abuse in macrocosm isn't it?

WhiteHorseSpirit · 19/10/2023 13:43

The Gaza Strip does have desalination plants to generate water, however they rely on fuel for their generators to run. Once Israel blockaded all fuel as well as water, that stopped all water in the Gaza Strip with the exception of a few agricultural wells that produce water unsafe for human or animal consumption- purely non potable water for growing crops.

Gardenowl · 19/10/2023 14:01

Jux · 19/10/2023 13:19

Israel has been doing this for years and years - my mother went to 'The Holy Land' about 40 years ago and came back incredibly saddened by the plight of the Palestinians and the way our own people (as she saw it) were behaving. From thenceforth she never referred to the place as Israel but as Palestine.

"Why would a Race whose main argument is that they have been so badly oppressed and treated by other Races throughout history then treat another Race as oppressively as they themselves were, the minute they get the power to do so?" was my mother's constant question. I guess it's the cycle of abuse in macrocosm isn't it?

I can almost identify. Not an exact comparison but I grew up reading articles/experiences of people during holocaust, their suffering and as an early teen it had a big impact on me. As I get older and read more about the conflict my thoughts are the same as your mother's.

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Gardenowl · 19/10/2023 14:06

FOJN · 19/10/2023 11:03

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/17/how-israel-uses-water-to-control-west-bank-palestine

There was another G article a few years ago which detailed how Palestinians in the West Bank have to apply for permits to sink a well but they are often denied. If they sink a well without a permit the IDF will destroy it, they destro hundreds every year.

Remarkable that you will see posters claiming Israel is not an apartheid state.

This is a powerful article. Thank you!

I dont understand as well how posters claim Israel is not an apartheid state. Some of them actually make it sound factual and logical.

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WhiteHorseSpirit · 19/10/2023 14:22

I also do not understand either how posters can think it’s not apartheid. Didn’t the UN issue a report stating that they had investigated and determined it met the definition?

flufferknutter · 19/10/2023 14:33

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FOJN · 19/10/2023 14:35

I dont understand as well how posters claim Israel is not an apartheid state. Some of them actually make it sound factual and logical.

They're notably absent from this thread.

There is an organisation called Breaking the Silence which is made up of former IDF soldiers, they post testimony about the nature of their missions, whilst employed by the IDF, on a YouTube channel of the same name. Some of them have been deeply affected by their part in some of those missions.

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flufferknutter · 19/10/2023 14:38

FOJN · 19/10/2023 14:35

I dont understand as well how posters claim Israel is not an apartheid state. Some of them actually make it sound factual and logical.

They're notably absent from this thread.

There is an organisation called Breaking the Silence which is made up of former IDF soldiers, they post testimony about the nature of their missions, whilst employed by the IDF, on a YouTube channel of the same name. Some of them have been deeply affected by their part in some of those missions.

Only because they haven't found it yet. MN are being played big time. It also prevents legitimate concern from being expressed by people who may have relatives in Gaza and for the rest of us who are now at greater risk of terrorist attacks in the UK.

flufferknutter · 19/10/2023 14:42

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Worddance · 19/10/2023 14:49

This is a shocking way to oppress - how on earth did anyone ever think there wouldn't be some kind of backlash?

FOJN · 19/10/2023 14:57

Another thread has just been deleted. flufferknutter I understand and share your frustration but let's not give them ammunition.

flufferknutter · 19/10/2023 15:00

FOJN · 19/10/2023 14:57

Another thread has just been deleted. flufferknutter I understand and share your frustration but let's not give them ammunition.

Absolutely, but it's now at the point where unless you post complete and total support for . then you're going to be deleted. You could be legit crying for your dead Gazan auntie and that'd be taken as .

So, back to talking about handbags and dogs 🙄

Totalblindnessofthesoul · 19/10/2023 15:04

Its not just water either. They aren't allowed an airport or a seaport - gaza tried to build both but they were bombed during construction.

What Gaza had succeeded at really well is solar power (it's basically how anything is staying switched on at the moment), because thankfully Israel can't block the sun! The fact that hospitals NEED to have solar power is testament to how volatile their electricity supply is. They only have one power plant and it's reliant on Israel allowing in fuel.

Coughingdodger · 19/10/2023 15:06

Gardenowl · 19/10/2023 14:01

I can almost identify. Not an exact comparison but I grew up reading articles/experiences of people during holocaust, their suffering and as an early teen it had a big impact on me. As I get older and read more about the conflict my thoughts are the same as your mother's.

I think this too. I didn’t know that about the water.

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