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VJay · 04/06/2010 17:54

...thanks to all the support we get in the greenhouse

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Neeko · 20/06/2010 21:23

Hi lovelyladies

Vjay Congrats on the mark, clever lady and on being an auntie again.

Choccie Makes me hungry too and think of

Speaking of Hi to Jools You will sneak a little symptom spotting in though? I miss getting excited for others on the 2ww...

Barbie Hope D is out for the count as I type. Sleep deprivation is the pits.

Curly Lovely to come on here and see a Curlypost as of old. Feeding is at times amazing and at others frustrating. For DD1 bf was just simply that, for H it's so much more. Our bond through feeding means everything to her and she often snuggles right in and smiles and smiles. Don't think I have the heart to stop that for her yet. Tis probably the first of a million sacrifices I'll make.

QA Before my MC, I would have waited. After my MC I wouldn't BUT I would have worried more. It really has to be your decision.

Monkey so relieved for you that AF has started. Fingers crossed that this is your month. Just give us the nod when it's pom pom time.

MLS Hope you've survived your visitors this weekend and are resting!

Blue Hope you're enjoying the last couple of weeks of mat leave and not dreading the return to work too much. Remember the thought is always harder than the deed.

4ever Hope your gorgeous girl is all official now and your DH was spoiled on his first father's day.

Hope all of your DHs/DPs celebrating their first father's day had a special time.

My mum and aunt tried to feed H with a bottle last night. Think my aunt was previously a bit when I said she wouldn't take it, but she definitely believes it now! H was crying whenever she spied the bottle think the next plan is to try the doidy cup. I really want to be able to take DD1 to see Toy story 3.

bluesatinsash · 21/06/2010 11:54

Hi

Post-holiday washing all done thank God

Isaac all better but poor B has lurgy now . Not the pox but crusty eyes, stuffy nose and wheesy breathing. Off to docs later today. Thankfully DH is off this week too so we're hoping to do day trips and potter in garden.

Back to work 2 weeks today... Not feeling that as only doing 2 days (Mon/Wed) til Sept. then going back to my Mon/Wed/Fri and office only 5 mins away in car. Meeting boss for lunch this week but have been in a few times and spoken to them all lots so its not too daunting a thought although I will miss my boys . Looking forward to my salary being a bit healthier again .

Neeko - we are so going to see TS3 too! Its not too long a film so could you sneak a viewing in between a H feed? B was similar to H in that he loved to snuggle and stare ay me when feeding, well when he wasn't fretting and/or colicky and/or windy...

Vjay - sorry to hear you have had the lurgy too. Well done you big brainy girl on your mark . I went down the middle slide three times! didn't see any squirrel's in the tree top walk though..

Curly - six months is a fantastic time to have bf for. Actually, I feel much more myself now I've stopped BF, less otherwordly if that makes sense like my body used to be only for B whilst I was feeding him, I just couldn't think of having any nonsense with DH which I think BF does do as it suppresses your natural horny cycle.. Its been weird as I ovulated earlier on this week which is the first time since ohhh, Summer 2008 that it didn't mean anything, no OPKs or gearing up for mammoth BD sessions.. AF should be here just in time for me to go back to work. First one since March 2009!

Oh and I would be quite up for coming down in October but would have to see finances and am maybe taking my Mum to see a show in London at Xmas but put me down as a maybe especially as DH has stag do in Liverpool in Sept .

Barbie - I started a thread on 4-month sleep regression! Feeling your pain xx

QA - I would wait as would be too worried about effect surgery would have on baby but its your body and the urge to have a baby is so primal, as MLS says it can outstrip any other emotion..

4ever - hope you made it out to register S's birth . Dying to hear your birth story!! How are you finding the Ultimo? We're now using the rear facing pushchair part of it as B can hold his head up etc and the carrycot was getting too boring for him. Felt a little as I'll never use carrycot again but then felt a little $$$ as its in great condition so going to Ebay it next year .

Louey - did you get your form sent off?

monkey - So TEW finally showed up. Great to hear your cycle is back on..

Jools Keep busy and try not to SS, you know it drives you crazy...

MLS - love the baby names thread too! I remember I posted my three girls names and everyone bar one poster was very complimentary whereas this one girl said "don't like any of them, sorry" and I felt gutted!

Buddha - are you back at work honey? Hope its not been too traumatic and you're not sitting at your desk sniffing E's vest x

Right better go, the house needs tending too. How can a house have so much dust when we've been away all week? .

p.s. rooting for England too but don't tell my DH...

chocciechip · 21/06/2010 14:24

Hi ladies,

Feeling a lot better, but still not 100%. Thought I'd try catch-up a bit.

QA I would be loath to delay TTC - and you're right; NHS surgery waiting list can be looooooong.. I think what I would do in your shoes is get a very realistic assessment of the risk to you and baby, and if they call it 'small', I would also ask them to quanitfy what 'small' is in medical terms. (e.g. 1:10,000 might be what they call 'small' and to me that would seem hardly a risk at all). Then re-think things with hard-core facts to hand. It's a tough decision, so the more info you have the easier it will be to rationally decide rather than be overwhelemed by the emotional aspect.

jools LOL at you giving birth to a cat. My boy-cat comes for snuggles with me every night and is so attached to me that my DH is convinced that if we ever have a baby it might just have whiskers and fur. How is the 2ww going for you?

monkey Yay to AF coming. I expect AF to arrive for me either today or tomorrow.

curly thanks for the kindness. I hit a very very low patch last week because DHs second SA results came back and the morphology was far worse than the first set. Still struggling a bit actually, so can't offload yet - will genuinly cry and cry if I do. But probably will do a post at some point.

4ever Hope you had a great outing with your little one. Did you manage OK after all the pain and healing you've had to do.

cupcake Cracked nipples sound so >. I literally winced on your behalf. Hope you're having some luck with them getting a chance to heal. I am so shocked that there can be a 'spate of bad episiotomies' in an area. How many women have to go through that kind of hell before they catch on that someone is not doing their job properly?

sabs Wondering if you're enjoying the football as much as you thought you would before it all started. Despite my best intentions I have ended up watching the games. Thought last nights game between Ivory Coast and Brazil was really fun to watch, but I was so hoping Ivory Coast would win, or at least draw.

PFJ Have you tried using a neti pot? My Dh suffers from hayfever and this really helps.

mrskate Thanks for updating us about your friend. It's good she has so much support after such a terrible experience.

barbie Your description of your sleep deprivation sounds horrendous. Poor you!

Vj and Neeko: I know what you mean. I was hungry when I chose my new name and it kinda shows, doesn't it.

vj what kind of lurgy did you get? Wondering if it was what I had and if you were told what it was because I still don't actually know what made me so ill .

blue You def get a gold start from me for well done on getting the washing done. But have you folded and packed it away in the cupboard yet?? I have piles of clean laundry around the house ... For some reason I hate hate hate putting away laundry. Of all the household chores, its the one that always defeats me.

AFM - I'm 14DPO and no AF yet, but I do chart and my temps have been dropping steadily to below the coverline and I have had light spotting the last three days (which I only know about because of cervix checking ... nothing in my knickers). So I can't delude myself. However, today my temp went up above the coverline again but I'm putting this down to the glass and a half of wine I had last night. Fully expect AF to be here today or tomorrow. I have managed to get through the whole 2ww without testing though, which is a first for me.

Having said all that (and still not deluding myself) I am slightly stunned by how 1.5 glasses of wine (of only 11%alc, drunk after my meal) can so dramatically affect temps ... and the headache I have today is UNREAL...? Is this maybe because I've had zero alcohol for a few months and easily get a hangover? Or is this normal for others? Or maybe I'm just sick again......

VJay · 21/06/2010 16:56

Afternoon

choccie mine was the sickness bug that the boys had the previous week.

blue huge gold star for getting all your holiday washing done. Hope little B is ok.

Ds1 had sports day today, he was a bit sad in the morning because he said he wouldn't win, as he hadn't in the practises, but I told him that as long as he tries his best thats all he has to do, and that it didn't matter if he didn't win.
So, he did his running race and came middle. He did his egg and spoon race, and while all the other boys ran and dropped their eggs, picked them up, ran, dropped their eggs etc..., my ds walked very slowly not dropping his egg once and came.......last
Then came the last race, the bouncy hopper race, he was at the start line, bouncing on his hopper waiting, then the whistle went and boy can my boy bounce , he bounced his way to FIRST place I had tears in my eyes, I've got it all on my camcorder, it's a bit wobbly and all you can here is be shrieking like a mad woman, but I am one proud mummy
Shame they don't have bouncy hopper races at the olympics, my boy would be a sure gold

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Neeko · 21/06/2010 17:04

Fab news Vjay He must have had lots of sneaky shots on your birthing ball!

Neeko · 21/06/2010 17:04

Fab news Vjay He must have had lots of sneaky shots on your birthing ball!

cupcakefairy · 21/06/2010 20:08

Mammoth post alert!

Hello ladies! Attempting a catch up with Jude sleeps. I've been feeding him since about 3!! Greedy boy. I read the thread at 4am when I'm feeding him just so you know I haven't abandoned you all! In fact this morning he'd actually fallen asleep and I was so engrossed in MN I didn't go back to bed for a good 10 mins

So how is everyone??

Let me first tell you that yesterday Jude managed to projectile poo all over my bf's bedspread when I was changing him to think I used to be so grossed out by all your poo stories and dh and I were in fits of giggles over it

Thanks for sympathies re the sore nipples! It actually got so bad I couldn't latch him on anymore so my resident bfing expert (who also happens to be a v good friend of my Mum's and a fab midwife) lent me a Medela Symphony to express from the right side while it heals... goodness me this is the daddy of all breast pumps!! £1000 worth of equipment apparently and combined with my ridiculous supply of milk gets 130ml in 10 mins fab. So he is bottle feeding alternate feeds now but hoping to get back to the boob soon! Sorry...that was a long paragraph about my boobs!

Today was dh's last day off..so I'm flying solo tomorrow, eek! We managed to go shopping & have a cuppa and cake in a cafe- felt so lovely! I also got a dress for BIL's wedding in 2 weeks that covers my mummy tummy nicely I was inspired by your maxi dress monkey and got one in the New Look sale
Dh has just been amazing; not sure how I will do it without him really. He is such a good dad and just makes me melt watching him with Jude

4ever- I could have written your post about feeling low...we're even on the same painkillers! We've really been through this journey together haven't we! Totally know how you feel not being able to get around properly to look after your lo but hopefully both of us are on the mend now

QA so sorry about your dilemma; I think you have to just follow your instincts and I completely agree with MLS about the need to have a baby. If it is really strong you will just be feeling so unfulfilled if you put off ttc.

barbie to lack of sleep. Hope D turns a corner soon!

monkey yay for af!! so excited by ensuing bd missions

Vjayclevermummy 96%!!! That is amazing!! well done you. And at your ds. Love that he just walked the egg & spoon race & didn't drop it once too!

jools hooray for the 2ww...I'm impatient!!

iggy happy maternity leave! Hope you sat in the garden eating ice cream today.

blue poor little B, hope he's on the mend soon. Enjoy your week of pottering!

choccie I know, awful about the episiotomies isn't it! And so so sorry about the SA results hope you can start to sort through what must be a whirlwind in your head right now.

mermaid- massive hugs and love.

moon I hope you're still lurking lovely. I feel so sad that you don't get our emails; I'm going to try to upload a pic of Jude to my profile in a mo for those not on the list

neeko hope you do get to see TS3...I miss the cinema

curly I'm going to appreciate all the newborn snuggles after your comment! It's funny cos I'm looking forward to J being more interactive but I suppose I should enjoy every stage! Dh's hamper came from Bradfords Bakers here was lovely

sabs and MLS I really wanted to watch BB this yr as it's the last one & I've watched every yr except 2009 (where I found it too boring for some reason)...but haven't had time yet. Is it any good??

LBM hi if you're lurking hope Jojo is behaving!

Right..off for another mammoth catch up on my postnatal thread now...!

littlebellsmum · 21/06/2010 22:33

v quick message as just about to try my new bpump!
What I mean by the pampers smell is that when they wee, I can smell it, which I can't do with huggies and it's a really chemically horible smell! Which even dh can't smell so I think it's just me!

However, we have been nappy obsessed as BabyJ followed up her 3 days without a poo, with a massive week without a poo and has only done one measly nappy today..... Poor baby has a really bad tummy but it has a silver lining as DH has been really sympathetic with her as he knows what is wrong - like many men, he can't deal with the crying for no apparent reason part - he just wants to fix what ever the problem is.

Back to chat tomorrow...

4everhopeful · 22/06/2010 12:25

Hello ladies! Ive finally typed out my birth story! Very at the length of it! I just couldnt compress it! Can you believe she is 4wks tomorrow?!?

On Saturday the 22nd May we went to get induced! Arrived at the hospital at 4pm and got put in 4 bed ward in high dependency unit in the delivery suite, given 1st pessary at 6pm, and was intermittently monitored, midwife suggested DH go home at about 10pm as would probably take a while but he couldn?t bear idea of missing anything so thankfully stayed! By about 11/12ish the contractions were kicking in, by 1am were pretty intense, but as not yet dilated, midwife suggested holding off on pain relief as would be many more hours still, so just had co dydramol! Then she moved us to a nice single room with en suite bathroom, and gave us a mattress to put on the floor for DH, so we both got a bit of sleep. I woke on the Sunday morning thinking my contractions had slowed down, but after getting up they got intense again and 2 different midwives both agreed had increased since the night before in both time and intensity, the docs came round, but still not dilating so they agreed to give another pessary. The midwives changed shifts every 12hrs at 8am or pm so the new midwife seemed lovely, and said she would get 40mins of monitoring babys hb and contractions then give 2nd pessary.. She said to go for walk in meantime so we went off to get breakfast, every time we went for a wander (which was lots!) I did the stairs rather than the lift as only 1st floor, it was that blazing hot weekend so was boiling, we walked in grounds, then went M&S café & read papers, by that point I was bent over and could barely sit, but soldiered on feeling quite brave, hoping it was helping things progress.

Went back for monitoring but the mw kept losing the hb trace, I wasn?t worried cos baby was moving like a mad thing, so probably why the trace was not picking up, but mw was getting flustered, getting me to stay still and hold it myself, was a bit aggravated as no other mw had trouble, and then she said until she got an uninterrupted trace she wouldn?t give pessary no 2.. We went off for yet another walk on her instruction and she said she?d be back in an hour, we came back, but 2 hours later she still wasn?t back. By this point it was coming up 4pm and we were told by docs that pessary no 2 would be given at 9am, last pessary was 6pm night before, and my contractions had stopped!

Another mw came to do monitor and trace was perfect, but internal, which were now bloody painful, showed was not dilated at all? Then we could hear a woman screaming next door giving birth, (even though were not actually in birth suites, which were down the corridor) and was told our mw, was delivering for her! We went off to get dinner in the restaurant, and another walk, we really made the most of it and Dh was brilliant, we looked on it as a bit of a big adventure, a mini holiday even! Although the delay was annoying, we kept laughing throughout! However by this point it was 8pm and handover to a new mw... Said we?d basically been abandoned and orig mw came in to try and justify herself which resulted in me in tears! Huff! Finally at 1am I was given the 2nd pessary!

So, Monday morning, wake up with full on contractions again, but surprise surprise, still not dilated! Went to restaurant for full breakfast and again, was breathing through intense contractions, could barely walk or sit, DH was great, went back to room but still not dilated! Walked grounds more, had showers, thank god I brought shorts, 2 spare T shirts and flip flops for DH! Still nothing. Docs were a bit that such a long gap between 1st and 2nd pessary, so said normally would only give about 3 pessarys, but as such a long gap they would discount the 1st one! That mw ears should have been burning, I was cursing her for prolonging it!!
By this point internals were agony and I was screaming in pain, so was now given gas and air, bloody fantastic stuff! So got 3rd pessary, counted as 2nd, about 4pm Monday, as contractions subsided yet again, went off for more walks, dinner ect, and contractions came back, but still no dilation! The nurses and mw were now suggesting we went to our private bathroom, locked the door, and tried dtd but was in so much pain down there couldn?t even consider that! We continued to make the most of things, and as it was Monday all the staff we?d got to know over the pregnancy were in, my neighbour works on delivery suite reception so she was popping into see us, and my lovely Gayle, my EPU sonographer came up to see us too, so that was nice! MWs from previous shifts were shocked we were still there, and we also has one of the docs from the fetal meds check us over, it was nice to feel like we were getting VIP treatment! Finally that evening I was a fingertip dilated, no cm?s, however something! I think I got pessary no4 about 2am, I?ve lost track slightly!

So, Tuesday morning, our 5year anniversary, day 4 of the induction! Contractions were waning, again, but finally about 1pm, was told I was 1cm dilated!!!! YAY! Oh how we rejoiced!!! I did hug the doctor! She said as soon as a delivery room was free, we?d be moved in, my waters would be broken, Id be put on an oxytocin drip and, given an epidural... I was crapping it about the epidural, I really didn?t want one, but they basically said it wasn?t an option, as I was so sore from all the pessarys and internals I had to? So about 5pm we got taken to our new room, the anesthetist did the epidural immediately and I was in tears, but he supported my DH footy team so we spoke football to distract me! I think he found that quite amusing! (Also thanks to Sabs I knew we could do it with me laying on my side so massive thanks for that hon!)

I had the drips in my hand, the epidural in my back, a catheter in my fanjo to go wee, as well babys HB & contractions trace monitoring straps round my belly, and my permanent BP and own HB monitoring! I felt like bionic woman and was scared to move! I wondered how on earth I could give birth with so many tubes coming out of me! Then the doc came in to break my waters, I had a thing with the gas and air where I got mw/Dh or anyone to help me breath ?in and out? in and out? so it would distract me from what was actually going on ?down there?! I was totally out of it on the gas so just feel this warm stream of water as it was done! Then we got our nighttime midwife, a man called Angel! He was lovely and had a student with him called Jess, they were so brilliant.. I got top ups on the epidural through the night and it was all getting more and more surreal.. DH was dozing where poss, but it was amazing to have internals and see progress, first 4cm, then 8cm by the next morning!

They helped me brush my teeth and brush my hair, as had now been bed bound since 6pm on tues evening, was now 7am Wednesday morning! Was gutted when they handed over to next MW but she was a lovely lady called Carmen, by this point, I was really out of it on the epidural and was basically in and out of consciousness! I couldn?t feel my lower half at all and could no longer move my legs.. The anesthetists came back in about 1pm and were asking if I normally spoke like that as I couldnt even string a sentence together! I wanted to feel more with it and was scared about giving birth, so I said I didn?t want another top up for a while, even though I was now the full 10cm dilated! They said they?d let the head come down the canal more, and I started feeling a bit more with it after going an hour longer without a top up, so I said how about a compromise and half the dose, the mw tried to talk me out of it and we agreed on ¾ of the dose!

Then she said finally, 5 days later, to start pushing at about 4pm? I didn?t realize what a slow process it is, only 3 pushes each contraction, which I couldn?t even really feel, so her & DH had to tell me when to push, she kept saying imagine you?re trying to poo, and I kept saying ?Ive forgotten how to poo!? I tried to to get on all fours but still felt weird as had no sensation! Finally an hour later at 5pm she said Id done really well, DH said he saw the wire from the clip moving down with each push, but Carmen reckoned baby was just too large to come out naturally. She called the doc in and they agreed we would have to go to theatre for instrumental delivery or c section? By this point, the epidural had completely worn off and I was in agony! Should of listened to the mw! I was screaming out in pain and no longer cared how baby was delivered, so long as she was! DH changed into scrubs and was looking so concerned and frazzled bless him! They wheeled me in to theatre and I was screaming for pain relief, I shouted at the anesthetist when he told me to calm down, DH had to tell me ?he?s our friend!? I didn?t realize they had to wash my drip out and give me a spinal which is why it took so long! Finally the pain went and I was aware of my legs being strapped to the stirrups after being lifted from my bed to the theatre table! Then before I knew it the what seemed like loads of people were all down between my legs, DH was given a seat next to my head, and they were telling me Id feel pulling, I didn?t even realize they had forceps out, or that Id still be pushng! My mw, was again telling me when to push, and after 1 contraction and 3 pushes, I heard them say the head was out! DH said he looked down, and saw the surgeon literally with a foot on the bed pulling baby out with all her might! Within seconds they had whipped her out and she was lying on my chest crying! The best sound in the world ever! I kept saying ?she?s alive, she?s alive! My baby, my baby!? after months of not daring to believe! DH was crying, I was in shock with my jaw chattering! It was quite amazing! I was not really even aware of them delivering the placenta (which we donated for stem cells!) or stitching me up!

So that is how Summer entered the world and made our lives complete and gave us the happiest moment ever! She was worth every second of it and I would do it all again! She is the most precious adorable girl and I now understand that undiluted amazing love for your child!

VJay · 22/06/2010 12:36

That was amazing 4ever, I've now got to re-do my mascara , I'm weeping buckets but happy weeps

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barbie1 · 22/06/2010 13:14

marking for later...cant even catch up i think im going to be sectioned if this sleep regression last too much longer. Can hardly function...holding on to the fact that this too shall pass when......

wave to you all....

Joolsiam · 22/06/2010 13:43

4Ever - wow, what a story

Back later - busy at work - just wanted to ask MLS for her symptom spotting addicts link

VJay · 22/06/2010 16:35

Quick message to blue, I noticed on your profile page that you like a good Riders/Rivals romp, and wondered if you knew that Jilly has a new book out soon. I have pre-ordered mine at amazon today. I love a good Cooper romp

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chocciechip · 22/06/2010 16:51

Wow 4ever - thanks for tellling it in detail (I love long detailed posts!) I wasn't sure whether to EEK or LOL at this: "saw the surgeon literally with a foot on the bed pulling baby out with all her might!" And to think I handle a newborn (very rarely) as if they are the most fragile breakable things in the world. OMG!

SabsFabulous · 22/06/2010 17:49

Just a quick note from my phone to say hello and hope everyone is enjoying the weather. I had a wonderful day as I met curly and curlygirl today . I was quite nervous beforehand, it felt like I was going on a blind date but there was no reason to be worried as curly was as lovely as I imagined her to be and curlygirl was just adorable. 4ever wowsers at your birth story, you brave lady. jools I have everything crossed for you and sending lots of hugs to mermaid. I hope you got my text. Waves to everyone else. Will be back soon from the laptop

monkeybumsmum · 22/06/2010 19:57

Hi All, 4ever that's an amazing birth story, must have taken you ages to write it! Choccie me too, but they are tougher than we think!

Barbie As I said to Gracie sleep deprivation is a form of torture - you are doing brilliantly, just get through each day/night and gradually things should (fingers crossed) get better... Just think, in 13 years or so you'll be yelling at her to get out of bed rather than willing her to stay in it Thinking of you, it is tough I know, but you WILL get there xxx

LBM Poor DD She must be v uncomfortable... What can you do in that situation? I have a friend with a 10 week old, and she's been having the same problem with him, and can't seem to make it better. Poor little things.

Cupcake How was your first day without dh? Hope all went swimmingly well Poor you with your nipples, it can be sooo painful can't it... I remember just sitting there feeding ds with tears rolling down my face whilst curling my toes up from the sheer agony It does get better though, and it's definately worth persevering if you can!

Sabs Lovely that you met Curly you lucky ladies! Bet you had a great time!

Jools Fingers crossed here for you too!

Vjay enjoy the book! You can be our weeble reviewer and let us know if it's worth buying the latest Cooper extravanganza! I love those sort of books too Lovely re your ds too, you must've been so proud

Things not too good here - am finding work just torture with the bumps around, and then had an even worse than normal day today and spent most of it in tears. Can't seem to get grip of myself when this happens and it took me ages to calm down, and even now am on the verge of crying again. DH lovely - gave me a massive hg as soon as he got in from work and told me how worried he's been about me today. All I wanted to do at work was run away home and speak to him.
Re ttc, I have never been so unenthusiastic. I'm terrified of trying again and failing, and how on earth me and my mental state at the mo would cope. I feel like all my hope has been pummelled flat if that makes sense, and all I feel is terror.
Anyway, enough about me - am off to cook supper then curl up on the sofa with dh and a good book. Oh, and possibly a glass of wine...

Night all x

Neeko · 22/06/2010 20:49

Oh Monkey Huge hug. Sounds to me, though, that everything you're feeling is normal and natural. No one could have the six months you've had and not feel frightened and vulnerable. Try to remember what the consultant said to you and know that we're here for you.

4ever wowsers! Hope you've saved a copy of that for her 18th, or your birds and bees talk

LBM Have you tried Infacaol? It really helped H to poo so maybe worth a try.

Cupcake Good luck on your own, but I'm sure you'll be great.

Jools do you log your symptoms on FF? If so, what's your percentage? I remember being obsessed interested in mine and MLS's every month.

Barbie sending the sandman to D. Hope she sleeps tonight.

Sabs How exciting, another Emmsy's meet-up. Did you take a pic? Know Curly won't post them but if you took them can we see them through email?

LOL at Vjay sharing romps! Did you vijazzle for that?!

cupcakefairy · 22/06/2010 21:46

Wow 4ever amazing story so much of it is so similar to mine, especially the theatre bit at the end and dh being frazzled bless him! Isn't it the weirdest thing pushing when you can't feel it?
Can't believe how many monitory things you had to have. I hated having the belly bands on and not being able to get off the bed. I had a catheter once in theatre too and the automatic bp measuring for the next few hours (which was so annoying in the night just as I dropped off to sleep it would start pumping my arm again )
You did amazingly well and must have been such an overwhelming moment when she was finally in your arms.

My first day alone was pretty good. I spent most of it at a breastfeeding drop in group with some NCT friends so was quite proud of myself for getting out (even if I did leave the house an hour and a half later than I planned to ) exhausted now though.

cupcakefairy · 22/06/2010 21:54

Sorry, posted that too early..

monkey just massive massive hugs to you; can't imagine what you are going through but just so glad you have your lovely dh to take care of you. Really hope things start to get easier at work.
I once heard grief described by a woman whose son had died as a ball in a jar. The ball itself never gets smaller, it stays the same size, but gradually the jar around it gets bigger so that in context, the ball seems smaller. That pain and loss doesn't lessen, but life around it changes and makes it more manageable over time. I hope that makes sense and I really hope that starts to become true for you very soon.

barbie I think I'm just starting to be hit by the effect of the last 2.5 weeks of disturbed nights & I feel pretty grotty so really you have my sympathies! It will pass.

of sabs and curly meeting! Would love to have a big meet one day.

Eek, I still haven't had time to put pics of J on my profle; it's a faff cos have to connect the external hard drive but will try to do it before I go to bed!

4everhopeful · 23/06/2010 00:15

Just did big post on phone and lost it! Thanks tho ladies! Bit at length of my epic style birth story though!
Also at terrible lack of personals lately!

Cupcake we really have shared every stage of this journey havent we?! Its so mad! Sounds like we are both finally on the road to recovery now thankfully and and finally truly enjoy mummydom!

Big hugs to Monkey, please go gently on yourself honey, you are bound to weeble, your DH sounds fab.. I had 3 preg colleagues after mc no 4 and it was unbearable sometimes... You will have moments of panic, but it will happen for you hon..

Also sending hugs to Mermaid if you are lurking lovely brave lady...

Know I have tx you but sooo gutted wasnt up to meeting with you today as planned Sabs and Curly! Really hope we can rearrange soon! Glad it all went well and sounded like you had a lovely time! Only venturing out for 4th outing tomorrow to local shops with DH! It was amazing last week to register Summers birth, actually driving again for 1st time in 4weeks and doing 'normal' things! Need to get my head round going out on my own though and working car seat/pram etc!

Vjay gladto hear you are feeling better lovely! Sorry about your mascara!

Neeko also hoping that your bottle battle is resolving itself with H slowly!

Barbie hope that you are getting a good sleep tonight!

Jools throwing a bucketful of babydust your way hon!

LBM in post I lost I wrote loads of poo/wind tips! Infacol has become mine & Summers best friend! She had a teary few days last week as gets so windy cos she is such a guzzler! Her poos were a bit solid too, my SIL had some invaluable advice & diagnosed the prob straight away cos her tummy was a bit hard! As well as infacol before every feed now, I keep her upright for a while after feeding to keep things moving! Also, while winding over shoulder, rubbing back aplying pressure to back above tummy area, or giving gentle tummy massage in clocwise direction, even with olive oil (which was using on her little dry feet and legs). Her bouncer chair has a vibrate setting & a couple of times she has pooed after sleeps in it, so think that helps move things along too.. A warm bath may also help.. Finally, the mw and health visitor also sugggested a teeny drop of pure smooth (no bits) orange juice in her cooled boiled water, we try and give her at least 1 bottle of water a day as that also helps as FF can be quite heavy... Poor baby J, hope that helps!

Right best get to bed and get some zzzs before the next feed is due! Summer and Dh are both spark out! Sorry to all those I missed! Much love to you all! Will endeavour to keep up better I promise! I lurk on phone daily so keep up to date but just rubbish at actually posting lately! X X X X X

CurlyBigPants · 23/06/2010 05:00

Hey monkey I'm so sad that you going through this lovely Grief is a funny thing, just when you think you have a handle on it, a giant wave of it rolls in and it feels like you will never get through it. You poor love, you have had such a horrible year. I wish I could make it better honey but all I can do is offer some massive hugs and hairstrokes. TTC is hard because it can add to the heartbreak but listen, I have a really good feeling that next time will be alright and there is a lovely little baby just waiting to have such a wondeful mum. Things will look very different a few months from now I promise so just hang in there xxx

and at 4evers birth story!!!! Well done girl! I cried at the end bit

I'll catch up with u all properly later - I've a massive headache and have been awake since 3am so am knackered - just wish I could get back to sleep but at this stage there's not much point as the bambino will be awake soon. I had a lovely day yesterday meeting to fabulous sabs who is as lovely as she seems And Saara is the cutest little thing, all chat and smiles. Very weird to be meeting in RL but I'm so glad we did it.

barbie1 · 23/06/2010 05:32

I have realised im turning into a right moaner...

When i was ttc i remember reading post like mine and thinking.... ffs! I would stay awake all night, every night if it meant i would have a baby, reality of course is very different.
I will however stop my moaning, i love dd more than anything in the world, yes im tired, yes i have a headache and yes i like like shite but i'm happy to be a mummy and should be more positive Im sorry if i have offended any small panters... i bet you have all read my moaning and thought to yourself 'shut up barbie and be grateful for what you have'!

Things arent getting any better but thanks to a few tips on the thread blue started we are getting through it!

The main problem lies with me, i just cant sleep when i get the opportunity, last night i had such bad dreams...that my mums cancer had come back, that dd died and then i thought the house was on fire and even got up to check and then i started seeing things and thought spiders and lizards were crawling on me im going mad! Anyone know of any tips to wind down????

monkey you are so brave and strong, dont doubt yourself that you are not. I know how much my one mmc effected me, bumps used to leave me and i turned into a nasty, jealous weeping mess. Your dh sounds wonderful, seek comfort in him as you pass through this hard journey. As for ttc im even scared of trying again in the future in case mc happens again...you will draw the strength you need at the time you need it, if not we are here to hold you upright.

I want to write to you all....i love the egg race story, the meet up sounds fab, 4evers birth story was epic but sooooo good! there is so much more i need to add but time isnt on my side right now.

Little D is in her space ship (her play thingy) and trying to get my attention....

Once again im sorry for all my moaning, ill be back soon xxx

iggypiggy · 23/06/2010 10:16

Hi all,

Sorry for absence - am not good at being on computer when is not for work!

Anyway - my ML has now started and I have just read a whole book this morning since coming back from walking the dog

I have also been spending much of the last four days in hospital (visiting a relative) which has taken up much of my time and meant that I missed meeting lovely curly and sabs - which am v. sad about. But it is too important to be in hospital visiting at the mo, so I am doing that

Anyway - will try to catch up on news and post again. xxxx

chocciechip · 23/06/2010 11:49

monkey I cried when I read your post. You've had one of the worst experiences I can imagine. My two MCs seem insignificant in comparison but if its any help to you in assessing where you are on your journey, I can tell you that I still have a very very heavy heart, and a morbid fear about getting a BFP because of what I think will come next. I am on the TTC journey like a robot - feeling I have no choice but to do this - the temping, CBFM, scheduled sex etc etc - but with fear and dread and not happy anticipation. For some reason I just don't believe a BFP will be a baby, and have this 'certainty' it'll be another MC. I can't think past the scan room and being told its not viable. Now wondering too if my 'attitude' could be jinxing ttc for me, but don't know how to shift it. I have been wondering if I should go on, but every time I think about either continuing or stopping ttc, my stomach rolls. It's utterly awful.

So I can only echo what others have said and say its hideous, but it must be crappily, shoddily normal.

I don't have to contend with bumps, like you do - and if I did, I think it would push me over the edge as well. Facebook and other people's scan pictures is enough to do me in and sink me into a blackhole for days. So I feel your pain deeply and am so so sorry hun; what an utter nightmare for you.

barbie Just to reassure you before I head off ... I'm not offended. I've had that kind of sleep deprivation once before (work related) where I was literally dizzy and slurring my words with exhaustion after two months of snatched sleep here and there. So I know how debilitating it is. I think you need to force your body back into a rhythm and go to bed at set times whether you feel tired or not (as much as you can, anyway). Don't be fooled either by the way you sometimes feel more awake a bit later if you stay up beyond tiredness - its overstimulation and will give you those bad dreams etc.

When you go to sleep, your body temp drops - so hot baths help (that cooling sensation after a hot bath tricks your body into thinking its falling asleep). Another trick that works well for me - especially in hot climates - is if you can't sleep, go to the bathroom and run cold water over your pulse points on your wrist for decent amount of time (I do it until my wrists ache - but Scottish water is probably freezing out the taps ), and splash your face with cold water, then go back to bed and try empty your mind and relax your body one bit at a time from the toes up. I think its a combo of 'cooling' again, and forced relaxation that helps. Two pages of reading in bed always knocks me out these days, but TV just before bed will give me dreams.

MummyLovesSadie · 23/06/2010 13:30

Hello ladies, sorry for being MIA for the last few days. Rl has taken over & I'm trying to do an itinerary for things I want to see in Florida next week (anal, moi? ).

Iggy a whole book in one morning - you must be a speed reader!

Barbie lack of sleep is a total killer so you have my sympathies. It will get better soon.

Sabs & Curly isn't it strange meeting in rl!! Do you have any pics to send to the Emmsy's list??

Moon are you out there? Come back & tell us how you are doing.

Mermaid hope you are bearing up lovely lady.

4ever wowzer what a birth story, I bet you are glad you didn't have to do that one on your phone! Is your dd still in some sort of routine?

Cupcake how are you coping with your gorgeous boy on your own?

Jools will try & find that fab site for you.

Monkey massive hugs coming your way. Of course you are terrified & I don't think that fear & doubt ever leaves any of us until we have our own take-home baby.

LBM which breast pump have you got & how is it? I think I'm going to buy a Medela Swing with my grant money that I'll be eligible for at the end of the week.

Vjay yet another at your lovely ds1.

Blue are your boys all recovered now? Did the doc give ds2 an inhaler?

QA have you come to a decision about ttc or are you just going to do what comes naturally without being careful?

Neeko I know you still haven't conquered the bottle issue but is dd2 still sleeping a bit better now? Has your dh put the swing set up yet for you dd1?

Choccie isn't today the day when you expected af to arrive? Did she show up?

Waves to PFJ, BQ, Buddha & Louey.

My dh has gone to a posh corporate affair at Wimbledon this morning but I had the last laugh as when I was taking him to the train station this morning, they said on the news on the radio that the All England Tennis Club were refusing to show the England Match there this afternoon !

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