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Ditherers Anonymous - Is there ever a right time?

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confuseddoiordonti · 20/05/2010 08:58

A continuation from the previous two threads we have filled going round in circles about whether to have a baby, or whether never to have a baby... All insights and new recruits welcome!

(and those of you now with BFP's - don't you go sloping off leaving us for more decisive types!)

Definitions courtesy of Dr Honeypetal Sparklepants.

Dither: vb. def. The act of procrastination and delaying of coming to a decision regarding reproduction due to an attachment to lie-ins, working bowels and cheap holidays in term time.

Ditherer: n. def. One who is in a permanent state of flux regarding whether to procreate or not (see def. of babyometer). On the flick of a coin, may ultimately not reproduce, or bear triplets. Whatever. pl. A confusion of ditherers.

Babyometer: def. Semi-quantitative scale upon which an individuals current extent of dithering (i.e. desire to conceive) is measured, commonly red, amber or green, although reddy-amber, greeny-amber and reddy-ambery-green have been described (see def. Dithering). Caution is required during interpretation as measurement may change hourly.

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LeviStubbsTears · 04/11/2010 08:57

OMG!! How incredibly exciting. Really hope you're doing ok, YTD - must be exhausting already, and does seem hard to have given you such a convincing 'false start'. Can't believe how calm, brave and stoical you're sounding - bodes very well for getting through it all well. I know full well I'll be in FAR more of a flap when the time comes.

Thinking of you, and also sending v v warm thoughts, vibes and love,

LST xxx

SeaGreen · 08/11/2010 18:55

hello girls- the old timers from the earlier thread- me again (if you haven't forgotten me, which i wouldn't be surprised at!)
sorry have been under the radar for so-o very long. it probably has been six months now.
hope all of you are well.

SeaGreen · 08/11/2010 18:56

..all the very best, YTD!!! :)

SeaGreen · 08/11/2010 19:02

and promise not to do a runner again for so long.
cross my heart.

confuseddoiordonti · 09/11/2010 09:43

On my goodness, it's Sea Green! What on earth happened to you? You vanished into thin air!

There has been quite a few new developments, good and bad, in all our lives and yes, there are still a hardcore group of Ditherers.

What's happening with you...?

And, while I am posting, hope it's going okay so far YTD and little 'un is settling in nicely. Looking forward to hearing all about it (I think Confused)

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FancyALittle · 09/11/2010 21:29

I've been away, I haven't caught up on the thread. I am currently in a glum spot.

I'm only 25, but I keep seeing women younger than me with babies and it makes me sad. We've had to move twice this year with landlords wanting to move back in (due to affairs!) which makes me so reluctant to start a family before owning our own house. I have big issues with stability and certainty.

A friend has been trying to conceive and has had miscarriages which has made me realise it doesn't always just HAPPEN. Husband's cancer this year has made us want children. There are many emotional and practical reasons for us wanting children. Essentially, there would be no financial issues in us having one salary for a long time.

I don't know whether to screw it and just go for it in the new year? BUT I love my new job, it's ridiculously perfect. But then I do cry every time I hold my friends' babies. I want my own so much.

sigh...

confuseddoiordonti · 09/11/2010 21:53

At least at 25 you do have time on your side (unlike myself!) However, many have told me that if you wait for everything to be in place - money, house, job - before TTC then it'll never happen.
Quite a valid point I think!
Does your heart say 'yes' and your practical side say 'no' or are you just hot and cold all the time regardless?

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FancyALittle · 09/11/2010 22:03

I know we do theoretically have time and we are young, but we are old enough to have had a fertility-affecting cancer. It really threw us. The day before we got married, we were sat in a fertility clinic with DH having just given a sample and me having to sign papers saying what to do with the 'products' in the event of his death. That took our dithering to a new height! Smile

My heart says yes all the time, and even DH regularly says he wants a baby. It's just the practicals, and the fact I started a new job a few months ago and I love it to pieces (something I've never felt before)!

YorkshireTeaDrinker · 09/11/2010 22:07

Just a quickie to let you know that baby Eleanor arrived by emergency c-section at 7.00am on Friday 5th November.

Will catch up properly / fill you in on the details tomorrow. Was a bit of a trial (I might even be eligibile for an entry on the birth trauma website Wink), but she is well worth it. :)

FancyALittle · 09/11/2010 22:10

Oh my! Congratulations! I look forward to reading the full account. Maybe. If it's not too scary Wink.

want one ~ want one

AutumnDays · 09/11/2010 22:11

many many many congratulations YTD, we are all very proud of you and little Eleanor.

Off to bed, very sleepy, back to tomorrow to hear more (poor sausage, hope you are ok xxx)

Suerock · 09/11/2010 22:26

Have to be quick but just wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS YTD - completely delighted to hear that your daughter has arrived! (And can't believe that all the November/December babies I was waiting for arrived within 24h!)

edwardcullensothermarriedwoman · 09/11/2010 22:52

Evening ladies! Could I join your thread too? I have a DS already but am dithering over no.2. Bouncing between thinking "I'd love another baby" and "how would I cope with pregnancy/recovery/2 children??"
Congrats YTD! I feel a teensy bit broody now..but in 10 minutes, who knows??

SeaGreen · 11/11/2010 21:11

wow YTD !! youdunnit!! CONGRATULATIONS!! Grin

hi confused - it's been some horrible months - personal issues. have been sleeping a lot and just coping with things. didn't leave me with any energy for MN, and didn't feel like pretending to be all nice and cheery when i wasn't.. i'm back now, things being on a slightly more even keel. and really missed you guys!
btw how is the manuscript coming along? i never moved ahead with that one, now trying to write a ghost story.

conkertree · 11/11/2010 21:35

Hi. Can I join you? Haven't read the whole thread but enough to get an idea that you are all in a similar place to me in terms of dithering.

Firstly congratulations to ytd.

I have ds1 who is 3 and ds2 who is 18 months. My dithering is that I've always wanted 3 (as does dh) but things are finally easier (ds2 able to amuse himself at times, boys play together etc etc) plus ds1 has awful eczema and doesn't sleep well EVER and can be very grumpy cause of his skin a lot of the time, and I left work to run my own business which is going quite well but I could do with concentrating on it for a bit rather than feeding a new born etc etcvetc.

But Would like another. I think. As someone said at the start, think I'd like to have had the third in a few years time.

Anyway will try to read back a bit before ds1 wakes.

conkertree · 11/11/2010 21:52

Ah reading back I am a little disappointed to have been away from mn for so long. This thread seems like a right laugh.

AmandaCooper · 11/11/2010 23:10

Hello there all you lovely "loopy" ditherers!

It turns out I haven't massively offended HP as I had for some mad reason thought, so I am back, sneaking in sheepishly. Long story for another time.

YTD I was delighted to hear your wonderful news, I'm back just in the nick of time!

confuseddoiordonti · 12/11/2010 11:32

SeaGreen - as it's been so long I may be wrong, but I presume by manuscript you are referring to my book....?
If you are (and sorry if you aren't) it has been on a bit of a slow burner for the time being. The reason for this is a lot of it, well half of it, was based around my relationship with S - S being my friend with cancer. Unfortunately S died in June which, not surprisingly, has made writing quite hard. Hence, while I have been trying to get on with it, it's not really going anywhere fast. For now at least.

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SeaGreen · 13/11/2010 16:15

Confused - I'm so sorry to hear about S. (hugs)

OrangeToeNails · 14/11/2010 07:20

Morning ladies, I wondered if I could canvas opinion on my dither? I posted on a ttc thread then felt guilty for having such a small problem compared to others

I had a very early mc first month, then a mc at 13 weeks. Both times I got pg straight away first month. Now my husband is so convinced I will again first time he wants to delay trying until the new year so we can go snowboarding. Do I put it off when I'm so desperate? And how do I deal with that kind of pressure to conceive first month?!

Sorry for the long post all about me, I just feel I don't fit in any other thread :(

bishboschone · 14/11/2010 08:05

Hi ladies,I have just seen this thread and thought I would share my story. I grew up the youngest in my family,never much likes kids ,babies yuck!! , loved animals and all things outdoors( you get the picture). Got married in 2000 told husband I never wanted kids etc,he was happy with that. We had a great life together and never gave it a thought. 2003 ,I booked to go to new York for new year ,and then in April I went out on a hen night. The next day I was very I'll and collapsed. I thought it was just a terrible hangover but somehow realised I hadn't had a period for a while ,so I took a test. Whatdya know it was positive. Now I am ashamed to say I cried,not tears of joy,genuine fear and dread.I knew I would never have my husbands baby aborted( I hate saying that) so we rolled with it. I was a bitch for 9 months and honestly ( sorry to scare anyone) and a horrendous time having her BUT ..and here is the punchline..she is the best thing to ever happen to me.She is nearly 7 and polite ,bright,beautiful and honestly people still say to me they thought I would be a rubbish mum but you know what ,I am not! I did have a rough pregnancy and birth but I truly believe it was my mindset,I was scared . I have just decided I am going to try for number 2 as I am nearly 36 and I feel it's now or never. My message to All of you really is don't delay it will be fine and having kids doesn't always turn you into a fat mumsy creature.

bishboschone · 14/11/2010 08:06

In fact ,I am slimmer and fitter than before I had her..sorry about the paragraphs ( or lack of)..typing from my phone

YorkshireTeaDrinker · 14/11/2010 18:47

Evening ditherers,

Lovely to see Seagreen and AmandaCooper back on the thread.

Right, as promised, here's the full on account of Eleanor's birth. It wasn't much fun, but, even after the event, I maintain the possiblity of a long and painful birth shouldn't be enough in and of itself to put anyone off (although I have no immediate plans to do this again Wink).

Following on from my last post in the early hours of Thursday morning, contractions did start to speed up and, after a couple of calls to the maternity unit, we decided to go in at 5.30am, as contractions were down to every 5-6 minutes. I went in prepared to be sent home again and, on examination was found to be one cm dilated, also contractions had tailed off to every 10 minutes again, so home we came. Was a bit gutted that 36 hours of contractions had yeilded only 1 cm, but it was better than nothing.

Once home again, I tried moving about a bit. Had a shower, thinking the water might help, but found being seperated from my tens machine too painful, so abandoned plans for a bath and got myself wired up again. By 11.00am contractions were 3-4 minutes apart, so I rang the maternity unit again and was told to come in. better news this time - 3 cm dilated and, because contractions were strong and regular, they let me stay. At the next exam, 4 hours later, I was up to 5cm and active labour had officially started - the previous 40 hours was just the warm up act!!

At this point I was given the gas and air to supplement the tens machine with. Initially it just made me feel a bit sick, so I wasn't going to bother, but as teh contractions got more painful, I persevered and, as long as you get a good lungful before the contraction peaks, it works like a dream - lovely stuff! Details get a bit hazy from here on in. I think it took me a long time to get to 6cm (we'd done a shift handover and were into the night shift, so it was well past 7.00pm), so we had some discussion about possibly breaking my waters. In preparation for this, I had an injection of diamorphine, which really worked - made me very spaced out, but took the edge off the pain for a while. Whilst we were waiting for a medic with a crochet hook, I managed to break my waters myself and we made better progress after that, although I got a strong urge to push at 7cm, and trying to not push when your body wants to is v tricky.

At about 4.30am, the gas and air was taken off me and I was told to start pushing. By this point I was a bit knackered and the urge to push that I'd had previously has disappeared. I was also hooked up to the continuous fetal monitor, cos they were getting worried about baby, so I was doing my pushing on the bed with my legs up on shelves - neither dignified, nor effective! After two hours, they decided we'd all had enough. Eleanor was coming down at a jaunty angle and was stuck, so every push, was just wedging her into my pelvis even more. I had a series of passers by in scrubs come and have a poke around and they was some discussion about a possible forceps delivery, but the surgeon in charge had a feel and decided we were going straight to c-section. So off we went to theatre and I had a spinal block, which fanally stopped the pain (which was only unbearable once I knew it was no longer productive - its amazing what you can put up with if you know that each contraction is bringing you closer to the end result) and they had Eleanor out remarkably quickly. She was born at 7.05am on Friday morning, weighing a healthy 8lbs 5oz.

DH had lots of cuddle time with her in theatre and they put her skin to skin with me in recovery and she managed to latch on and take her first feed an hour after the birth, which was amazing.

My couple of days on the maternity ward has reaffirmed my conviction that hospitals are no place for the sick! I was glad to leave early. Individual members of staff were great, but the ward was pretty busy and loud and i was so tired and sleep so unavailable, that coming home seemed the best thing to do. Haven't managed much sleep, as I find it very difficult to nap for short spells and we are demand feeding in an effort to get breast feeding established. But she is worth all the pain and sleeplessness and, once we are all over the inital stages of getting feeding established, and the scar pain subsides so I can start doing a bit more for her, I'm sure it will become enjoyable. At the moment I have moments of real joy, interspersed with some real downers, all of which is pretty normal.

Since the birth my DH has been an absolute revelation. He didn't give up smoking during my pregnancy, and hadn't really shown that much enthusiasm at all (he was keen, but detached). But he slapped a nicotine patch on when we went to the hospital and hasn't smoked since. He was absolutely smitten with Eleanor from the moment they first put her in his arms and has been seriously domestic ever since I got home. Because my mobility has been restricted, I have been unable to pick her up much, so I've just been feeding her - DH does all nappies, bathing, cooking, washing, cleaning (ok, not so much of that, but he does enough to stop us living in absolute squalour). So far, parenthood has definately brought us closer together. I'm a generally pretty independant and competant type of girl, and this past wek he's seen me be dependant and vulnerable in a way that I've never been before. And when I've needed to rely on him, he's been able to step up.

Anyway, this is a HUGE me me me post. But it's been a bit cathartic going through such details from the birth that I can remember. And it is true, however long and arduous the process of getting your baby out is, once she's here, it does feel like its all worth it. I am bruised, battered and occasionally quite close to broken, but she is perfect and wonderful and this is the best thing I have ever done. :)

SeaGreen · 14/11/2010 20:57

YTD thanks for your post!! and congratulations once again!
it's great to hear about your experience, and i know that you haven't sugarcoated it for us- appreciate the honesty about the good bits and the bad bits so far.
i hope you and your DH and the rest of your family have a wonderful christmas with your new girl!

confuseddoiordonti · 14/11/2010 21:09

YTD you have reduced me to tears! Really you have! Please hold on while I compose myself...

Breathe!

Ah. That's better!

I think the thing that brought on the waterworks for sure was the part about your DH. Call me an old sissy, but him being so brilliant was lovely to read. Not that I'd expect him not to be, but the part about you both becoming closer, him sticking the patches and so on. You hear so much about babies causing a rift that it is nice to hear the opposite (which obviously must happen, it just doesn't warrant the same level of topic.)

So, how are you feeling now? I had my appendix out when I was 19 and it was f**king agony so can't imagine what it must be like with a tiny baby too. Or does the tiny baby make the pain less prevalent (ie you have no time to properly dwell on it?)

The first Ditherer Baby, my goodness. We'd all be at it soon! Well, maybe we would, maybe we wouldn't... Wink xxx

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