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Magic8ballhastheanswers · 30/04/2010 11:48

Nice clean thread for us - may there be many a BFP on here

OP posts:
LadyBee · 02/06/2010 22:53

Sorry to post the list and run - I'm going mad for a different reason today - see thread here

I have now reached the point where I'm hot and sweaty from searching and just getting more worked up about it, and a bit over-wrought so thought best to have a cup of tea and survey the wreckage.

Bessie I really hope you don't have anything left over but if you do, then they could probably schedule anything for when you come back from France.

Clareanna congratulations!!! How lovely, it just makes me grin when I see a BFP on this thread.

Sorry not much name-checking tonight - need to crawl to bed. I just want this cycle over, a bit down even though I knew chances were extremely low in the circs. At least the weekend is getting closer and that should help the time to pass.

LadyBee · 02/06/2010 23:03

IvySedai - happy to add you to the list, I had a quick look up the thread but can't find your stats. Can you put down:

UCL = Usual Cycle Length
CD = cycle day you're on today
Cycle = number of cycles trying (I think most list from the last MC, but can be total if you want), if you haven't had a full cycle since the miscarriage we normally call that the WTF cycle, the cycle 1 is the first full one after that.

hairytriangle · 03/06/2010 07:29

Muser cheers - yeah they warned me about that - they should have dropped by next Tues, but here's hoping they've dropped by Sat! That would be a godsend.

In 'gushing towers' news - it's now turned to mild spotting after a couple of days of lessened 'gushing' (sorry to be graphic) so I'm chuffed.

Been told not to 'do it' for a week though

hairytriangle · 03/06/2010 07:32

Clareanna thank you! I'm actually really into that kind of thing - positive thinking, visioning, affirming etc - and I agree, so thank you for the mini pep talk I will just focus on 'it's working, it's working, it's working' and leave no space for negative thinking

emptyshell · 03/06/2010 10:08

OK, so I've tried to write down to the doctor just how badly the infertility's taking it's toll on us now and how desperate I am for some help finally (will hopefully be there again for my weight check tonight assuming the dentist doesn't overrun):

^Am writing this all down so that I hope someone will take seriously just how bad a state I?m in because of the infertility issues. I feel like I?ve been screaming for months, getting closer and closer to breaking point but no one?s really taken on board just how desperate we?re getting for some help with this ? a pat on the back and being sent away to lose more weight really isn?t helping us at all anymore.

I can?t sleep ? I generally lie awake trying not to cry for hours, finally drop off for less than a couple of hours at a go, then wake back up to repeat it again and again ? every single night, and the only thing on my mind is ?will I ever get pregnant, what more can I do to get pregnant, I can?t dig any deeper to lose the weight faster.?
Emotionally I?m a wreck ? I?m unable to function around babies and small children now ? I?ve had to leave the room when one comes in, I have to sit and filter any photos of them I might come across on the internet; friends sending me well-intentioned scan photos can set me off sobbing for hours. I?ve started to avoid any places I might come across happy families ? which is essentially meaning my life is relegated to go to work ? come home ? venture out to Tesco when I absolutely HAVE to. Everywhere else I go there?s children and babies and I just feel so angry and bitter that I don?t trust myself to function around them outside of a work context. I avoid going shopping, to the cinema ? I?ve even had to take a break from helping at the Brownies because one of the leaders is pregnant and I just can?t look at her without feeling like I?m going to explode.
The sheer level of anger and jealousy I?m feeling is so overwhelming ? I don?t trust myself with it anymore. I can?t even hide it these days and I?m scared I?m going to do something stupid with it ? lash out, either verbally or physically (I?ve had nightmares where I lose it completely and do this). I HATE pregnant women and those with babies, I?ve actually started wishing them dead... I hate feeling like that ? it?s all so bloody unfair that we can?t get any help at all and they can churn kids out by dropping their knickers.

I?ve said before that I?m not sure how much longer I can go on trying with the weight loss without any hope of getting some help for the infertility ? I don?t think it got taken seriously ? I got pushed along my way with promises of help in the future ? despite sitting there sobbing that I couldn?t keep going with it much more. Now I?m there, I?m completely at that wall and I DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE IN ME TO KEEP SLOGGING THROUGH TRYING TO LOSE THE WEIGHT while dealing with the mess that I?m in because of years of the infertility rubbish and with no hope of getting any help for it. I feel like I?m a donkey with someone walking behind me dangling a carrot in front of me to see how far along the road they can tease this poor animal before the animal snaps. I really really cannot cope without any help or answers or even just glimmers of progress for the infertility ? not my weight ? the infertility is the problem making my life an utter miserable hell for very much longer ? I?m having increasingly black thoughts of self-harm or suicide, mainly suicide, and it?s all because the situation with having a child is as hopeless now as it was back years ago. I know I got pregnant and then lost it ? but the thought of another three years to get pregnant again ? I CANNOT do that.

It?s not fair on C that he has to live with his wife sat at the top of the stairs sobbing night after night that she can?t face another day of feeling like this ? it?s placing a colossal strain on our relationship and marriage, and I?m AT breaking point over this ? I can?t concentrate on anything, I can?t sleep, anything I eat is becoming an increasingly screwed up battleground with me trying to put as little into my mouth as possible.
There HAS to be something that can be done, some tests, anything ? just something to prod us a little along the line and even up the odds so we can get an end to this hell. I know I?m overweight, therefore subhuman and unworthy of licking the shoes of the NHS but this is just completely cruel and inhuman to make me go through month after month of this for years at a time. We have no way of affording anything private ? I wish to god we did ? all we?re asking is for just a little help and a glimmer of hope (we?re not asking for miracles, IVF or whatever ? just SOME help and some answers), before I?m too old and the odds stack even further against us. Please try to find something to help us ? please... I?ve been doing everything asked of me, but it?s like trying to carve a sculpture with a toothpick in how slow and painful the progress is.
I apologize for writing all of this down ? but I wanted to try to get across to you, without me just sobbing incoherently (which has achieved absolutely nothing) just how badly the infertility has pushed us (particularly me) to a point where I?m actually terrified I?m going to break completely.^

He's been saying for months that if I showed a consistent weight loss, he was prepared to try to push the fertility bods to override the NHS BMI guidelines and offer us some help - I guess this is my pathetic plea to try to see how prepared he is to put his money where his mouth is and do that... anything would be a help, just getting some answers would be a start - even a WHY it's so hard for us to get pregnant.

hairytriangle · 03/06/2010 11:07

Emptyshell so sorry to hear how you are feeling and how much this affecting you. I don't know what to say. big hug.

Have you asked the GP for some counselling, just to ease your stress a bit and have someone actually listen to how you feel (not that I think there is anything wrong with how you feel - I just know that counsellors are bloody good listeners and it helps to pour it all out!)

emptyshell · 03/06/2010 11:16

I don't want counselling. If I say "look give me counselling" they'll tick off that they've done something to help me and consider it a job done. There's nothing a counsellor's going to do that solves the issue behind this - the fact the NHS are playing with us and have abandoned me.

VivClicquot · 03/06/2010 11:25

empty - I'm so sorry, I also do not what to say other than I agree with Hairy. I really think you should ask for some counselling, as I think you really need some emotional support with this. I'm sending you lots of love and strength x

hairy - I'm sorry things didn't work out with you either, but please do stick around while your waiting to ttc! You're one of us now!

clareanna - big congratulations. what lovely news.

And finally, hi to the newbies. i'm glad you found us xx

As for me - RTD ended up arriving at midnight on Tues night / Weds morning - so three days late. Am wondering whether sperm did meet egg but it just didn't stick properly, and discussed this with the practice nurse at my blood test this morning. She seemed a bit non-plussed, so I guess we'll never know.

As for the progesterone test results - my levels were 55, which is good so I definitely ovulated. As well as measuring the fsh levels from today's bloods, she's also going to test my rubella immunity and do a chlamydia test, so we'll see what that brings.

Re: the list - can someone move me back down to the bottom? Am putting myself down as day 3, given the spotting started on Tuesday.

Love to all
xxx

hairytriangle · 03/06/2010 12:09

Viv cheers lovely!

Sorry about your RTD - maybe sperm did meet egg and didn't stick around. I'm currently reading a v interesting book about just how complicated the whole process is!

digitalgirl · 03/06/2010 12:20

empty it really is heartbreaking to read your story. If you don't want to ask your gp for counselling do you have access to it through work or any other means? MN is fantastic for venting frustrations and finding like-minded support - but a counsellor who focuses on you and listens intently to what you have to say can be really useful in helping you manage your emotions in your quest to get nhs support. It's good that you're angry as you need that momentum to push things forward, but if the anger starts to become all consuming then you'll run out of energy to keep on pushing.

hairy glad to hear the bleeding has eased up.

viv boo to rtd.

10dpo. Stupidly found myself staring at a bfn this morning. I was already in a bad mood so it didn't really change things. Had a row with my mum last night. She said a few things about me working and trying for another that I found quite hurtful. Mothers are very good at guilt-tripping. Hoping the over-emotion and irritability could be a symptom but it's more likely to be pre-menstrual. I haven't even thought about how I'll cope if im not pregnant this cycle. I have totally set myself up for a big fall.

clareanna · 03/06/2010 12:52

empty I hope the process of writing down your thoughts has helped you a little bit, sometimes it's good to get things on paper. I hope it helps at your doc's appointment.

littlemiss Jolls clever website said 11dpo was best time to test from os you never know. Sorry you mum has been doing the guilt trip thing - I get that constantly from my mum - she can't believe that having raised a daughter believing that it's a woman's right to get the best education, and have a fulfilling career I haven't then been able to jack it all in the moment I had DS (simply can't afford to lose my salary, even more so now DH is not working!)

viv crap - sorry RTD got you. Good news that you're def ovulating though?

clareanna · 03/06/2010 12:56

Wednesday's list:

Pollyanna TTC#6 UCL27 cycle3 CD42
Dorcas11 TTC 1, UCL29, cycle 1, CD42 (BFP)
slimyak TTC#2 UCL26 cycle 5 CD39 (BFP)
Clareanna TTC#2 UCL35 cycle 3 CD36 (BFP)
LucySnowe TTC#2 UCL 40+ cycle 3 CD34
SarahMia TTC#2, Cycle 1(i think), UCL28 CD30
Littlemiss72 TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD29
LadyBee TTC#2 UCL27 cycle 1 CD23
Urd TTC#3 UCL28 CYCLE 2 CD23
Mummy3610 TTC#4 UCL 26-30 cycle 3 CD20
LAF77 TTC #1, UCL28, Cycle 2 CD20
Magic8ballhastheanswers TTC#3 UCL31 cycle 4 CD16
BUnderthebonnet TTC#2 UCL 28-36, Cycle 2, CD15
bessie26 TTC#2 UCL31 cycle 1 CD15
Muser TTC#1, Cycle 1, UCL 28, CD12
Jollster TTC#2, Cycle 1 (partIII), UCL 26 CD11
Moofold TTC#2 UCL~32 cycle4 CD9
Hopefully TTC#2 UCL 28 cycle 7 CD9
Tigger15 TTC#2 UCL26-9 cycle 13 CD6
Curlylox TTC#3 UCL 28 cycle 4 CD5
vivcliquot TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 6 CD3

WTTC
Cheepz TTC#2 MMC 26/3/10 2nd cycle post ERPC self imposed TTC amnesty
ElmMum TTC#2 MC 28/2-17/3/10 UCL 28/29 on cycle 1 of (self-imposed) 2 or 3 cycle wait
Freezing TTC#2 MC 28/3/10 on cycle 2 of 2 cycle wait
Digitalgirl TTC#2 MC 11/04/10
NBelle TTC#1 MC 09/04/10
MrsG/PrettyV Enjoying the view and the great company.
Barrenbrook TTC#1 MMC 12/05/10
Hairytriangle TTC#1????

MIA
JulesAbs TTC#1 UCL30 last seen cycle 2
dirtgirl TTC#2 UCL28 last seen cycle 2
Scotchontherocks TTC#1 UCL28 last seen cycle 5
Gonnabe TTC#1 UCL28 last seen Cycle 2

GRADUATES
amyboo - baby boy - Matthew
totally - baby girl - Faith
hoops997 - baby boy - Benjamin
Memorylapse - Baby girl - Olivia
Stressy BFP 22nd August 2009
becky78 BFP 4th September 2009
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September 2009
Waitingisntfun BFP 19th September 2009
Chamois BFP 7th October 2009
Apples BFP 9th November 2009
Meita BFP 10th December 2009
CakeandFineWine BFP 27th December 2009
boodleboot BFP 2nd January 2010
LeeWT BFP 21st January 2010
TFLS BFP 22nd January 2010
Louisesh BFP 22nd January 2010
MrsRigby BFP 27th January 2010
TheKurgan BFP 30th January 2010
effilump BFP 8th February 2010
Sarahlou8 BFP 10th February 2010
samanthab123 BFP 10th February 2010
redandyellowandpinkandgreen BFP 6th March 2010
floweringcurrant BFP 8th March 2010
HappyGirl1 BFP 23rd March 2010
Unbuffy BFP 28th March 2010
Zayja BFP 2nd April 2010
Goodluckbear BFP 10th April 2010
Malteser1981 BFP 11th April 2010
Gilda BFP 19th April 2010
AlbaDeTamble BFP 25th April 2010
sparklyrainbow BFP 25th April 2010
BunnyBaby BFP 27th April 2010
Margie32 BFP 26th April
LucyT66 BFP 30th April
Redheadgal BFP 10th May
Westyorkshiregirl BFP 19 May

sarah any news yet?
muser are you limbering up for your first month back on in the game (?!) new pants time?!

clareanna · 03/06/2010 12:57

Wednesday's Thursday's list:

Pollyanna TTC#6 UCL27 cycle3 CD42
Dorcas11 TTC 1, UCL29, cycle 1, CD42 (BFP)
slimyak TTC#2 UCL26 cycle 5 CD39 (BFP)
Clareanna TTC#2 UCL35 cycle 3 CD36 (BFP)
LucySnowe TTC#2 UCL 40+ cycle 3 CD34
SarahMia TTC#2, Cycle 1(i think), UCL28 CD30
Littlemiss72 TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD29
LadyBee TTC#2 UCL27 cycle 1 CD23
Urd TTC#3 UCL28 CYCLE 2 CD23
Mummy3610 TTC#4 UCL 26-30 cycle 3 CD20
LAF77 TTC #1, UCL28, Cycle 2 CD20
Magic8ballhastheanswers TTC#3 UCL31 cycle 4 CD16
BUnderthebonnet TTC#2 UCL 28-36, Cycle 2, CD15
bessie26 TTC#2 UCL31 cycle 1 CD15
Muser TTC#1, Cycle 1, UCL 28, CD12
Jollster TTC#2, Cycle 1 (partIII), UCL 26 CD11
Moofold TTC#2 UCL~32 cycle4 CD9
Hopefully TTC#2 UCL 28 cycle 7 CD9
Tigger15 TTC#2 UCL26-9 cycle 13 CD6
Curlylox TTC#3 UCL 28 cycle 4 CD5
vivcliquot TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 6 CD3

WTTC
Cheepz TTC#2 MMC 26/3/10 2nd cycle post ERPC self imposed TTC amnesty
ElmMum TTC#2 MC 28/2-17/3/10 UCL 28/29 on cycle 1 of (self-imposed) 2 or 3 cycle wait
Freezing TTC#2 MC 28/3/10 on cycle 2 of 2 cycle wait
Digitalgirl TTC#2 MC 11/04/10
NBelle TTC#1 MC 09/04/10
MrsG/PrettyV Enjoying the view and the great company.
Barrenbrook TTC#1 MMC 12/05/10
Hairytriangle TTC#1????

MIA
JulesAbs TTC#1 UCL30 last seen cycle 2
dirtgirl TTC#2 UCL28 last seen cycle 2
Scotchontherocks TTC#1 UCL28 last seen cycle 5
Gonnabe TTC#1 UCL28 last seen Cycle 2

GRADUATES
amyboo - baby boy - Matthew
totally - baby girl - Faith
hoops997 - baby boy - Benjamin
Memorylapse - Baby girl - Olivia
Stressy BFP 22nd August 2009
becky78 BFP 4th September 2009
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September 2009
Waitingisntfun BFP 19th September 2009
Chamois BFP 7th October 2009
Apples BFP 9th November 2009
Meita BFP 10th December 2009
CakeandFineWine BFP 27th December 2009
boodleboot BFP 2nd January 2010
LeeWT BFP 21st January 2010
TFLS BFP 22nd January 2010
Louisesh BFP 22nd January 2010
MrsRigby BFP 27th January 2010
TheKurgan BFP 30th January 2010
effilump BFP 8th February 2010
Sarahlou8 BFP 10th February 2010
samanthab123 BFP 10th February 2010
redandyellowandpinkandgreen BFP 6th March 2010
floweringcurrant BFP 8th March 2010
HappyGirl1 BFP 23rd March 2010
Unbuffy BFP 28th March 2010
Zayja BFP 2nd April 2010
Goodluckbear BFP 10th April 2010
Malteser1981 BFP 11th April 2010
Gilda BFP 19th April 2010
AlbaDeTamble BFP 25th April 2010
sparklyrainbow BFP 25th April 2010
BunnyBaby BFP 27th April 2010
Margie32 BFP 26th April
LucyT66 BFP 30th April
Redheadgal BFP 10th May
Westyorkshiregirl BFP 19 May

sarah any news yet?
muser are you limbering up for your first month back on in the game (?!) new pants time?!

bessie26 · 03/06/2010 13:53

thanks for the info RE my scan this morning - apparently I got a very faint line on the pregnancy test they did, but nothing showed up on the scan, so it looks like my body has dealt with everything itself. Now I just have to hope that the occasional spotting stops before I start prancing round in a bikini next week - come to think of it - is the bikini even going to fit? - last time i tried it on I had pg boobs

One thing the Dr said was that we should leave it a couple of cycles before we TTC as "some studies suggest" that you are more likely to mc again - have you heard this before? last summer when i m/c they told me the only reason for waiting was so that it was easier to do the dating. DH now thinks we should wait until I've had AF, but I don't know what I think about it yet...

ladybee - hope it has turned up?

batteryhen - have a fab weekend away!

Clareanna your +ive thinking seems to have worked for you, so please feel free to work your magic on me!

empty I don't really know what to say apart from what the others have said. This whole thing is really getting you down & I really think that talking one-to-one with someone who knows what they're doing can only do you good.
Do you do anything to help you relax? - I think I would go mad if I didn't do my yoga class every week, and also try to get outside as much as poss as I am a great believer in the power of fresh air & exercise! Oh and I have some plinky plonky relaxation music which I like to listen to on my days off when DD is napping

digitalgirl Mum's often say the worst things when they are trying to mean well. Mine drives me mad & I haven't even told her we are TTC! Also, I read somewhere that alot of people don't get a BFP until they are 17dpo. keep hope, it's not over until AF sings!

sorry for the monster post!

hugs to all
xxx

lucysnowe · 03/06/2010 14:11

Congrats Clare!! I am absolutely NOT going to test until RTD (says she, who am I kidding)

Empty I am so sorry, it really does sound as if you've been through the mill. I know it's hard to think positive but - you've lost loads of weight, you've got pregnant - I know sadly it didn't work out - but these are both really positive things.

I'm really glad you've decided to start charting and reading TCOYF because I hope they will help a lot to conceive if you're ovulating (obviously) - and if not you can take your chart to your GP and SHOW them you're not fertile and you have the proof. I spent about six months charting and watching the temps go up and down with absolutely NO pattern to them which was v. dispiriting - but when I showed them to my GP he immediately booked me in for a scan where I was diagnosed with PCOS. It's also very heartening, when your body is not doing what you want it to, for you to keep tabs on it in some way.

Also the TCOYF book you may find useful for allowing you to diagnose your particular problem. I really hope it helps and that you get some answers soon.

sarahmia · 03/06/2010 14:59

well RTD is here....

i am so pissed off i cant even tell you.

im not sure how to change me on the list. could someone do that for me?

empty Im so sad for you. I dont even know what to say.

well..heigh ho.. onto next cycle.

digitalgirl · 03/06/2010 17:06

sorry rtd got you sarahmia

I have bought FRs. I went into Boots for cotton buds and came out with the BOGOF offer. So now have 4 x FRs in my handbag. 1 x Basic Boots and 1 x CBD in my drawer at home. My rationalising is that my cycles are twice as long as most people's so over the year (god I hope it doesn't take a year) the costs even out.

BUnderTheBonnet · 03/06/2010 18:21

Bessie "Some studies suggest" were done in the 1970s, and it was a small scale study. In repeated, more recent, studies, the results were not repeated. So your Dr is being a bit cautious, methinks. I think you go for it when you feel like it. As long as if the worst happens, and you do get another miscarriage, you won't think it's "your fault", cos that's nonsense.

empty Let us know how the GP reacts.

sarah Bugger it. That's crap.

Digital Bring on the manic testing!!! Think of the fun you'll have peeing on them all when they come up positive! It's bound to happen now you've splashed out on tests.

What is going on with this thread and cars? Some prat just ran into the back of me, and my car looks like a possible write-off. And I've got a whacking great bruise on my leg too. But, I also have small amounts of EWCM, so hurrah for that. Comfort SWI...

littlemiss72 · 03/06/2010 18:39

Hello all, RTD got me to.. boo hiss

Back to the bottom for me!

hairytriangle · 03/06/2010 18:54

Bessie i've heard lots of different things

  1. that you can be more fertile after mc
  2. that the only reason to wait for AF is to date things
  3. that the womb lining needs time to 'heal'

personally i think you should do what's write for you.

Never heard that it's not a good idea to try again straight away and never heard of increased miscarriage rates.

Hopefully · 03/06/2010 19:19

DG I am impressed at your wee stick ammunition! If there's a pregnancy in there you're definitely going to discover it

I've been reading the taking charge of your fertility book. Even though I knew most of the stuff in a vague sort of way, it was still a really interesting read, and I'm going to get a thermometer tomorrow and start charting, even though I'm mid cycle. I figure that way if this month is a BFN I'll be well into the swing of it by next cycle. And it'll give me something to take to the doc's to prove I've been trying hard and therefore deserve to be seen before we've been trying for a year. I'd also been thinking of using it for contraceptive after this pregnancy (if it ever happens) as I won't go back on any kind of hormonal contraceptive, and no one is going near me with a coil after the damage I got giving birth last time. It's all such a car crash down there I'd probably end up with it stuck in my bottom or something.

Sorry that RTD showed up littlemiss and Sarahmia. Stupid thing.

Empty I know it feels that counselling will be a big fob off, but I can only second (third) what others have said and suggest that it might help. I've had it (for an unrelated issue, but one that left me almost as unable to function as your fertility issues seem to be) and it made a huuuuge difference. It might also give you ammunition in that you can argue with doc's in a more level headed way. As long as you make it clear to the doc that you don't just want counselling, that you want it alongside fertility investigation, I don't see that it can reduce your chances of getting help.

I am relieved to have made it to CD9 without any dramas this month after being such a wreck when RTD arrived (weeping over the mooncup, anyone? Just me?). SWI has begun in an every-other-day sort of way, as I usually ovulate by CD14 at the latest.

StickThemWithThePointyEnd · 03/06/2010 19:36

empty your story makes me very sad. ~hugs~ and let us know how things go... :/

My stats:

WTF Cycle - Day 17 since MC
TTC #2
UCL - erratic [NB: I used to have beautiful 29 day cycles, but that was before #1...]
Cycle - I guess this is 1 again, otherwise it's been about 6 months.

I'm all crampy today. Not all the time, but get sharp twinges every so often. God only knows what's going on, I don't know my own body anymore.
Had to endure 2 hours of friends telling me how sorry they are about the mc because it's the first time I saw them since... feeling utterly hopeless.
Work was torture, I was only in for a half day, but we were insanely busy and I just couldn't give the kids the attention they all deserved. [HOW OFTEN do you need to ask a 5 year old to sit at the table nicely before they finally get it?!]

Here's to hoping that tomorrow will be better.

emptyshell · 03/06/2010 19:43

Just as I expected... because I HAD got pregnant and miscarried, I'm no longer deemed worthy of any help at all for the fertility issues. So basically I've been lied to for months about getting any referrals done at all and now completely abandoned.

sarahmia · 03/06/2010 20:59

that is shit empty

sarahmia · 03/06/2010 21:00

sorry if that came out mean, what i meant to say what that is shit news and im angry for you.

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