The BESH 30s TTC thread in the world EVER - 2010

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C'mon girls, this is the year. We will form a circle and concentrate hard on diffment.

Meanwhile, David and Jenson have popped the corks and are pouring out the Bellinis. Truckle of stilton anyone?

gin You're right, nothing you did, or didn't do, was related to what happened to your pregnancies. Although there are plenty of people would like to beat you with a stick I'm sure.

Quotation marks perhaps a bit mean ski

Gosh, I hate the thought of not having a drink for 9 months...I find it relaxing and a good social lubricant, making me feel less self - conscious.

If it wasn't bad for me/didn't leave me feeling tired in the mornings, I would happily drink every night of the week. As it is, I drink about 3 nights a week, and at the moment I have a couple of glasses of shandy instead of 'proper' booze, unless there's some event that I might want to drink wine.

I am not inclined to give a load of stuff up 'just in case' unless there is something to support the theories behind it, and that is despite having spent a long time trying to conceive and two m/c. It's only really drinking that is the issue - I gave up smoking when starting ttc, so now I only smoke on birthdays, Christmas, and after a miscarriage! I just don't want to feel like I am left with nothing, and STILL don't have a baby!

I find it easy to give stuff up. It might be important to keep away from alcohol, blue cheese etc, it might not. But ultimately, it's only food and drink, I don't really care if I can't have it for 8 months. However, I really stupidly ate crab and wind dried tuna last night, I didn't think about the fact that I probably shouldn't. And following a very upset tummy I was pretty worried about the BOC. For me, it's worth giving up all that stuff just so I worry about less.

Skihorse that post to Scorps looked pretty nasty. It was completely unneccessary imo

In fact ski at risk of adding to the people lining up to beat me with a shitty stick....I don't think that scorps really did anything to merit a personal attack did she? Have just reread your post and it does seem to be laying into her a bit...

Oh no.... Was just dropping in to see how Muser's doing

Ski just being a bit mischievous maybe?

I think the main problems are that firstly, the advice changes so often and so randomly it is hard to put any faith in it. And secondly, on the issue of booze, they work on likely case studies in the absence of it being slightly unethical to 'test' on pregnant women (in the same way they say all drugs are off limits because they cannot test them, not because they have and they are tetragenic. The only solid reliable evidence is taken from women who have alcohol problems which causes foetal alcohol syndrome, and what we know about the way that alcohol is processed in the body.

The only way they could say with any certainty that no alcohol is best is to take a group of women who have abstained vs a group of women who drank in moderation (i.e. within recommended limits) and assessed the birth defects that COULD NOT be attributed to anything else. I've never seen any such study held up for scientific scrutiny.

If I hijacked the FSA website and said it is recommended that women drink no more than 2 glasses of water a dat because too much fluid overloads the foetus's kidneys and it is likely to suffer from nephritis for the rest of its life. It's very plausible, but that doesn't make it scietifically proveable

...and unfortunately, I do not go off booze when pregnant (though I have only made it to ten weeks in the past, and have never had much in the was of morning sickness)...it is mainly the early nights that have made it easier for me to drink less!

with apologies for the spellings. I am ill.

And ski if you want to fight with scorps over her autoimmunity issues, it is best you take it outside

Hey Eadlongname I think it might be game over for me. Seems to be a lot more blood coming out now. Think I know how this one is going to end.

Bollocks to that muser

and look what I found --->

Oh muse

Oh hey muser, shit shit shit. Oh God, why does everything have to be so BOLLOCKS.

Maybe it seems like a lot, because you don't want it there, if you what I mean? (I know, I know, desperately grasping straws etc. etc. )

I'm going to buy a huge bag I can't afford in a colour that will go dirty after one Tube journey.

Really, really sorry to hear that, Muser

Tbh, after Bessie's comments last week I don't give a flying fuck what her opinions might be and I certainly find it risible that she, of all people, might accuse me of saying something mean. I find her comments repulsive in general.

Ead Thank you, for "getting" it.

This is what we have in store for us ladies

tsk

muser am really sorry. Sending you a proper big cuddle.

Muser I'm so sorry.

It was utterly unnecessary, although I'm hardly shocked. Ski, as well as not even trying to pretend you don't dislike me, you seem to need things in black and white, so I shall bore everyone with a full explanation. You have read me complaining about stomach probs and skin stuff in the past - but these are not the only affects my allergens have on me, sadly not by a long shot. These are probably just the things I have moaned about. As the least horrible/dangerous of my symptoms, ironically they feel the most pisstaking and irritating and are the more frequent ones as well, hence feeling moany about them. As well as having food allergies and intolerances, I have hayfever, rhinitis (all-year severe hayfever) and suffer from Multiple Chemical Sensitivity - you know how everyone jokes about allergy sufferers having to wear a giant glass bubble to protect them? Well, about 10 years ago, my specialists were genuinely begging me to try one, I was that ill. Since 1994, I have been battling to get well from all that. I was told that year I was so ill they could find no medical reason why I was still alive. So no, my allergies are not just me giving up wheat to fit into a particular skirt FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

My life is severely curtailed in regards as to where I can go and what I can do because of my allergies and other health issues I have (Google 'adrenal crisis' - I have several of these a year), including hypoglycaemia. I am registered disabled. It's only a few years ago that I was 'well' enough to come off Severe Disability Allowance. Another reason why I only started TTC at 36.

And I haven't gone on about all this because why should I? It's dull and makes people feel sorry for me (albeit prolly not you) and who wants pity? And it's personal. Enough sadness with babyfail without wallowing about other health issues. Don't even know if I'm healthy enough to win a baby. Only ever mentioned allergies because sometimes it's necessary as part of explaining something about myself, or cos feel like a trivial moan.

There, am I ill enough for you?

Oh, and I don't think having a few glasses of wine will give you a mutant - I just think you infering that allergy-sufferers being weak and it all being in their heads is a bit fucking rich when I'm the master of will power in terms of giving stuff up - stuff you wouldn't be able to cope with! And I do personally think it's a bit rubbish people can't give up for 9 months, BUT I genuinely do not judge any of you lot for what you do in private, because we're all only human and what you do with your body is none of my concern.

And Bessie - I know wot you did, I realised it wasn't about everyone involved, even if they didn't and I approved

Contrary to Gin Palace rules, I can give up booze easily, and actually welcome the opportunity. I am a sucker when it comes to group situtaions, when I have said I won't drink that night and end up ratted. But I have also given up for the best part of a year before (and should have stayed off it, given I was on meds that can fuck your liver when mixed with alcohol) and found it not so bad. It was everyone else who had the problem with me not drinking - although, I'm menkul enough that they often thought I was pissed anyway. My own mother, however, frequently branded me a spoilsport for not having a drink with them on some occasions .

I've never really been a fan of drinking at home, unless it's for a fancy meal or celebration (love Champagne). So giving it up is not a problem for me.

I think it just depends on what is "normal" for a particular person. Pregnancy can make you feel like you are losing control of your own body, and each of us have some freedoms we would like to keep a firm hold of. For me, it is cheddar cheese and pizza. I would not give those up without a fight and if medical advice said I could have them but must restrict my intake, then that is what I would do.

And I miss runny eggs so much that I decided to have some on Sunday, then ballsed them up by letting them keep cooking while I had a slight accident with the butterdish on the cooker ring (plastic Lurpak package melted and left a lovely smell - muppet!). I think if I thought they posed a serious risk, I'd have more willpower, but I really wanted them. (I've also decided things are safer now that baby has done its developing and is just busy growing)

muser I have only just seen your post. That's shit - so sorry. Big Hug.

ski, ead might've 'got it', but I don't think it was as clearly 'mischeivous' as it may have seemed to you when you wrote it. Maybe sometimes it's the medium of the interweb what does it... But if our cunty is saying take it outside there could be a sign that it was maybe a bit much?

And before anyone says I've not mentioned being seriously ill before, I have (just not gone into details) and mentioned it's to do with my Adrenals, etc.

Anyone else want any? I'm tasty!

Jesus, Scorps ... I realise you didn't write any of that for sympathy purposes, but can I give you some anyway? Happy to thump you on the arm/grope your tits immediately afterwards.