The BESH 30s TTC thread in the world EVER - 2010

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C'mon girls, this is the year. We will form a circle and concentrate hard on diffment.

Meanwhile, David and Jenson have popped the corks and are pouring out the Bellinis. Truckle of stilton anyone?

muser best of luck buddy

gin you dirty slag you've given me your cold so I'm now as ill as you I haven't even got the energy to kick you in the foof for your trouble

Right. Myself and MrM have worked out the latest possible date we could have got busy on. Helpfully he fell on the ice and hurt his hip on the 7th Jan, so was out of action for a long time. That would give a date of around 3-4 weeks. The CBD thought 4-5 weeks. So things could be better than they seem. Have been looking at charts and the range from the highest to lowest HCG level is crazy up until week 6. Lows of 18 at week 5. Madness.

Will remain calm until I know for sure tomorrow. Not hopeful, but not in despair.

cunty I had a horrible cold and it was proper rubbish not beign able to take anything for it. Please to recommend you the following as/when you need:

Kool n soothe - head cooling strips
4head - headache stuff (similar to strips)
A couple of cubes of jelly dissolved in hot water - good for sore froats/ coughing
Hot honey and lemon - just makes you feel better.

Think scopry has some nasal spray stuff she recommends but I could not find it?

Calm down Cunty, am only CD12

Is still looking promising, Musery.

muser please keep us updated, we will all be thinking of you and hoping your BOC sticks in there.

Muser I feel your pain...I had a week of extreme menkulness last year that made the average 2woofl look like a walk in the park, whilst trying to figure out whether HCG leftover from previous m/c or newly diffed!

It's a good job that you say you have got lots on at work...I was at the point of disconnecting my broadband for the day to try to stop surfing for info/reassurance! (It didn't work...cursed iPhone!)

muser sorry for the menkul making stuff at the mo - haz a squeeze from me and my comedy tits.

Thanks ginhag that was indeed an interesting argument, and I am tempted to write to Ben Goldacre or one of the Sceptic website teams to ask for them to have a good look at the scientific foundation, and statistical probability, for a lot of the pregnancy stuff.

The boyf is working him self up into a bit of a lather about booze, and it winds me up no end. He does not express concern about anything else I do, so I think that he is picking up alcohol hysteria by osmosis. Having said all that, I do normally exceed my weekly 14 unit with consumate ease, so it's not like I'm the type of person who has one glass of sherry at Christmas, or owt!

Point is cho you may well find yourself go off it anyway. I really don't think it's worth getting stressed out too much about. In some ways alcool is the ultimate stick to beat women with during pregnancy - it's the first thing people commisserate with you about and the first thing some people get all cats-bum-mouth about. It's a poison, yes, but then so are a lot of things I put in my gob, as have women since time immemorial and look! the species continues!

My benchmark is always this: what would a french woman do? Hence the disregard for faff about soft/blue cheese, red wine, pate. It's an informed decision, that's all. Be careful, but not paranoid.

I am not doing any more googling Cho. The bit I did was far too depressing. Am instead googling for pretty pictures to make my powerpoint presentation look nice.

And I have to say my feet are firmly on the ground over the whole thing. I know many people are like 'I would never be able to forgive myself if something was wrong with my child', but I've read enough to know that nothing I am doing during my pregnancy is in any way likely to cause growth or other abnormalities, I'm past the stage I can fret about genetic problems (which are beyond my control) and the most risky thing I can ever do is give birth to him/her.

If anything is not quite right well I have to ask myself if I'd have done anything differently and the answer would be no. So I will accept what fortune throws my way. It's not like I'm mainlining class A drugs or boozing myself into unconsciousness every night - some low risk cheese, pate and wine consumption. Big deal.

Muser Google baby animals instead - it's much better. I really am hoping the very best for you. If you weren't TTC you wouldn't even be worrying right now.

As far as booze and pregnancy goes, cunty is quite right of course - there is a gulf of difference between a glass of wine and chugging a litre of vodka before 11am on a daily basis - on saying that, according to everyone's favourite factsheet, The Daily Mail, there are 100s of these babies born every year who are just fine. As she also points out it's just another stick to be beaten with - every man and their dog has an opinion on your pregnancy. An ex-smack addict friend told me not to drink alcohol.

lol ski yeah but you told me to fuck off didn't ya. Bitch.

That's because you're shit at finding the vein cunty. Granted you're a whiz at rolling...

Cho, great idea to write to Ben - let's get a Palace/Deli lobby/petition together!

Pigface, what's wrong with paracetamol, innit? Some of the basic cold sachets are just hot lemon and paracet, no dodgy decongestants. I thought that was OK?

Warning: Controversial Views Follow:

Seriously guys, is booze such a big deal? I don't drink so I don't get why anyone feels they need it, but is it so impossible to go without or have less of for several months? Not telling anyone what to do or being judgemental, I just mean that I genuinely want to know how come people can't go without it. Guess I'm feeling a bit mardy as certain people on here (and in RL, of course) have inferred that allergy sufferers, like myself, are wimpy and wishy-washy, etc., and yet I haven't eaten huge amounts of 'normal' food, including sugar and bread, since the 1990s, which is all down to sheer willpower (I could eat whatever I want and feel and look like absolute shite, if I couldn't be arsed). I'm here to tell you that you can do 9 months without booze if that's your choice to do so. Worrying about being denied something is the only way to guarantee you'll crave it all the more. The way to approach any craving (and take it from an expert!) is to just think 'I could have some booze (or whatever) if I wanted, but I'll not have some just now' and do it on an instance-to-instance basis. Take it from an allergy sufferer: you think you can't go without certain things, or do with less of them but you always, always can. And usually feel better for it too.

And if the advice is to avoid certain things, why is it so hard to comply? Seems pointless to risk anything bad just for the sake of 'I don't want to be told what to do'. I totally understand people thinking 'why do I have to?' but you need to ask yourself 'why can't/won't I?' instead. I always err on the side of caution and to me, pg is the ultimate scenario that requires it.

Sorry, to clarify further - am interested in why people can't give up booze, not why they don't want to or if they do or not (everyone's individual choice).

I can happily exist for weeks without it - just sometimes, eg Hom's recent birthday I had about half a small glass of champagne. The other day we had a glorious steak and I had some sips of red wine. It's what complements the occasion and since there is no reason not to have it I'm not going to say no to it.

Right - I think I've caught up now:

Muser hang in there matey, it ain't over til the fat lady's waters break (or something)

Morris good work!

Hawaiigal hellooooooooo missed you!

Scorps some booze just tastes lovely. Heavenly. There's nothing quite like a G&T and some prawn crackers on a Friday night while waiting for the take-away to be delivered. And if you're denied something you kind of want it all the more. Having said that I don't much fancy any booze right now, which is a bit odd.

Cake and fine wine all round!

And I don't worry about being 'denied' it. Advice is - not in doses of more than 2 units a week. Not total abstinence. It Will Not Affect My Baby. Walking out into the road every day, getting in the car every day, breathing in London's shitty air every day is more risky for the baby but I still do it. I'm in the business of risk assessment and not about to worry about things that are not worth worrying about.

lyra You can haz paracetamol - but it says on NHS site to only take it if you need to bring your temp down... and I thought was best to avoid drugs if I could cope without innit. I would have it if i had felt that bad

scorps is not a big deal to give up booze - just like is not a big deal to give up smoking - but it feels like it before you do it... Anyway I have decided with the booze thing that I will have the occasional glass (eg. for my birthday or special occasions) but is not really any point in having it really cos I not really wanting it that much...

scorps zoe Williams puts it better than me,so my thoughts are essentially in the link I posted for cho.

And tbh I can't actually really drink when pg. I like the 'joining-inny-ness' of having a glass of wine but can last it for about 3 days...even then often don't finish it.

And if I genuinely believed that the occasional small glass posed any risk to my potential child then believe me, I would not have a problem with the idea of having none at all. But it doesn't,so I don't,if you see what I mean....

Having had 2 mcs I can,except on extremely miserable days when every fucking thing in the world is my fault,VERY confidently state that I did not cause them with my actions. And thank fuck for that as I couldn't live with the guilt.

Btw scorps I just mailed you (not about booze )

Oh and hello cuntshine and yay Morris!

I'm going to lie down again now. Feel like shite.

B-b-b-but Scorps, I've seen you write elsewhere that your "allergies" give you a bloated tummy and skin problems (c.f., the morning after). Those aren't life-threatening, perhaps you choose to control your food as one of these quasi-eating disorders?

I'm not sure we have any alcoholics here and I find it a bit strange that anyone on this board truly believes a glass of wine will lead to a 2-headed baby. We're supposed to be cleverer than that.