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30s TTC - More Gin Than George BESH

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Scorpette · 22/11/2009 12:43

Come on in ladies, the bar is fully stocked with Advocaat, Bailey's and novelty Xmas drinkies and the slaves are wearing Ann Summer 'Santa's Hat' posing pouches. Have also festooned the place with plenty of festive tat and lots of v un-eco and tacky Xmas lights and shit because I know we all love getting Xmassy dead early. There's a fireplace so you can send your wish list to Santa up the chimbley, platters of wooden spoons and coconuts on the mantlepiece and 'Mulled Wine' scented candles lighting up The Pit of Despair. Make yourselves at home!

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iggypiggy · 18/12/2009 11:05

It doesn't work like that for GP's ski - medical students just do placements at GP surgeries using exisitng patients and observing (I know cos my MIL arranges them) - but as someone who used to work at a PCT - complain to both practice manager and PCT at same time. GP's surgeries are small independent businesses - they each run how they like - you could have a good practice manager or a useless one... The PCT is the only organisation that will properly investigate a complaint and get stuff sorted.

In fact not that many medical students do placements in GP surgeries anyway... as is optional..

Every member of my close family does or has worked in the NHS - as does my MIL... I am all NHS'd up.

iggypiggy · 18/12/2009 11:06

Actually - scratch that - scorps ring PALS and get them to get you an appt. I message you in uvver place.

CurlyCasper · 18/12/2009 12:23

I second that - PALS is a great idea. Hope you get it sorted and find some to listen properly scorps

I am really shocked that people have to give private medical info to get an appointment! we only have to do that for same-day, emergency apps, which mean going through the triage service, so they have to know how urgent your condition is. I can book an appointment online at my own will with my surgery. (had to get a log-in.) Most often there are none sooner than two weeks, but that's soon enough when you've been struggling for a long time. Shame on your practice scorps.

givecarrotsachance · 18/12/2009 12:43

iggy, scorps, the telling the receptionist thing is absolutely beyond the pale and totally out of order. I have never heard anything so utterly rediculous. Your local PCTs are obviously run by a bunch of ignorant cockroaches, with emphasis on the cock.

Can you try to get an appointment by telling them something vague but bad sounding, then politely demanding to see a specialist? Maybe take in some information on luteal phases, etc???

PollyPoo · 18/12/2009 12:45

Can't believe two GP's have dismissed your concerns Scorpy, that is really bad . I agree - PALS and the practice manager, go get 'em girl.

I hope the panther is steering clear and then you won't need the useless feckin GP's.

Got more bloods taken this morning - I hope they come back more 'normal' this time or I may not win the clomid. Off to see TCV later and I think I will take Ski's advice re: SIL - mosh and 'accidentally' kick her in the cunt.

Gin if you are lurking, I'm thinking of you. Hope are you managed to get to EPU today and things all ok.

ginhag · 18/12/2009 13:48

scorps hope you get somewhere with iggs suggestion...sorry u having hard time.

Can't write much now as brain all frozen and I'm at work (always a good combination.)

went to epu,had dildocam,nada. Either too early (which sounds quite poss as my v faint first pg tests indicate late ov...hopehopehopehope) or a mc. Or an ectopic that they can't see yet. Oooo the fun of trying to guess.

Anyway,took bloods,have to go back sun morn for next lot,then results sun eve.

I am alternately positive/very pessamistic/confused/tired/hopeful/pissed off with the whole thing...

Thanks for message camel dunno why home email not working. Got it thru other place tho.

Am going to bang my head on desk for a bit.

Btw still odd bits of blood,but still fuck all really. And some twinges. So who the fuck knows really.

Smooches and bloody noses all round...

givecarrotsachance · 18/12/2009 14:00

gin how many weeks do you estimate you are?

Twinges I'd expect - I got loads and still am. Virtually no blood = excellent sign.

Did they tell you your current HCG levels from the first blood test?

iggypiggy · 18/12/2009 14:12

gin am muchly hoping is early - take a black eye and a sneaky hug.

rots it's nothing to do with the PCT - the GPs surgeries are small businesses run by the GPs (or senior Partner). The PCT can only take them to task on the bits of care they comission and the standards they have to meet. So GP's have to offer contact with a primary care practioner (ie. GP, Nurse etc) within 24hrs and a GP within 48hrs. So they get around this by doing the phone call thing - I speak to a GP within 24hrs (so long as I don't miss the call) and so the practice meets the standards and gets paid... Is ridiculous moneymaking system... Some practices are good and do not do this... some clearly do... even though it isn't 'good practice'

Sorry - i know too much about PCTs... I'll shut up now...

CurlyCasper · 18/12/2009 14:19

Gin I too hope it's just early. got a good feeling. . If it helps I have just been assisted by a helpful chap at your place of work to order the perfect gift for my plonker of an other half. (stupid computer would not let me send you money, but it's ok, Paypal saved the day - I hope )

Take care

givecarrotsachance · 18/12/2009 15:24

iggs I see, I didn't know that (obviously). That's utterly shocking. Maybe I'm really lucky as with our GP we get to see one (not nec my choice of doc, which is fair enough) usually same or next day without a problem, inc on Saturdays. For emergencies they do try to get the receptionists to triage but the last time that happened I gave them short shrift. I wanted an emergency one for LC for a problem I understood. I asked if there was an emergency appointment after school hours and she said, "if he's ill enough for an emergency appoint, he's too ill to go to school" to which I replied that I was quite capable of telling whether he was ill enough to go to school, thank you very much, or whether it was something that was contagious, and whether it was an emergency, and as she wasn't a doctor perhaps she would be good enough to give me the appointment so that I could speak to someone who was medically trained. Or words to that effect. I mean, I was very polite to her, but I think it's obscene that a receptionist should be put into the position of making those decisions.

I know, I know, many people are a nightmare when they want to access medical services and they need some kind of screening processes, but I'm a capable mother who doesn't fuss and nonsense about illness so I expect them to recognise that . (wink for realising the impossibility of that to work).

Anyways, saying that, it's like in A&E where the receptionist does a sort of triage. I once collapsed in the waiting room and was vv ill (stopped breathing) coz a receptionist didn't realise that when I came in saying I couldn't breathe, I meant, I can't breathe, let me see a doctor NOW and left me waiting for 1/2 hour until I stopped breathing and they decided they'd better help. When I went to the A&E the other week there were docs and nurses doing a pre-triage screening thing with a coloured card priority system to give to the receptionist which made SO much more sense.

Saying that, if it's the PCT which sets the standards and doesn't realise how they're being corrupted, surely they are still a bunch of cockroaches?

Grr Grr Grr.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a HUGE NHS fan, and I often think that many of its faults are beyond the wit of man to resolve - despite their best efforts - and that it's one of the best healthcare systems on the planet. But this kind of thing is just crap on a piece of toast with wee to drink and is EASY to fix.

Oops that was a long, ranty post. Sorry.

gin what casper said.

skihorse · 18/12/2009 16:48

haha rots I'm the same as you. Stroll in to the docs "I don't feel well", not allowed home to collect nightie, ambulance roars up to surgery door and they race me off to hospital 90 minutes away on oxygen. I do not go to the doctor unless something has fallen off!

HawaiianCuntShine · 18/12/2009 17:33

gin hairpulls and a bloody nose to you... waiting is shit!

scorpy I got you this nice flame thrower for Christmas, I know it's a bit early, but it seems you could put it to good use right away.

ginhag · 18/12/2009 17:53

cuntshine am not really here,too tired... But popped in hoping to catch you before your appt. Dunno if I have?

Lotsa luck - here, take this bottle of tequila with you,there's a bit left...

Scorpette · 18/12/2009 18:12

Hey guys, thanks for all your anger about useless Drs and so on - will be seriously thinking of using all this info and advice in the New Year. So good to know I have Coven Team BESH behind me And Cuntshine's flamethrower should certainly come in handy!

I was going to write happy news, because I've had zero pink panther for 24 hours and have been feeling really sick all day BUT as I left work, I slipped a bit on the icy pavement and my womb area was really hurting as it jolted my pelvis and when I got home I had the teeny-tiniest bit of pink panther when I went to the look. I mean teeny - the size of a crumb - but it was still some 'colour'. Damn, had been getting cautiously optimistic today. Is clearly just a bit of teeny tiny baby panther before the real one kicks in, which I prolly wouldn't notice if I wasn't TTC and therefore gusset-obsessed.

Anyway, am hoping for good news for Gin. At least your Drs are doing right by you!

And Poo, it wuz me what suggested the moshing cunt kick

Am off to sulk now. Loads of Xmas gifts I ordered online still haven't come, despite being ordered a fortnight ago and am in a right grump all round.

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skihorse · 18/12/2009 18:21

Slipping on the ice/going arse over tit/spending a day skiing did not affect any chances of diffment.

Scorpette · 18/12/2009 18:29

Well, it still doesn't change the fact there was another teeny bit of beige-y pink when I had been convincing myself that yesterday's stuff was the infamous implantation bleed...

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CurlyCasper · 18/12/2009 18:55

And there might have been a little bit of implantation bleed still up there. Are you temping scorps? If so, I want the stats. Now. Clearly knicker checking/symptom spotting is never going to be clear cut with you.

Scorpette · 18/12/2009 19:03

Temps still high, but they always stay high until the first day of proper bad bleeding.

Why not clear cut with me? Cos I is proppah menkul, like?

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CurlyCasper · 18/12/2009 19:41

No, scorps it's cos you seem to get diff-ment symptoms very much as part of your monthly routine.
And bleeding leaking before droid day one is "normal" for you, so it's hard to pinpoint imp bleed.
If you had diff symptoms on one side and normal scorps pre-menstrual symptoms on the other, they could all pretty much cancel each other out. That brings you back to zero clear symptoms, which is pretty much what I had, except for the temps - which stayed above the coverline up to and beyond droid due date, with the exception of a big dip at 5DPO.
So keep stuffing that thermometer in. And don't let your MIL borrow it for the turkey

Sorry - I am trying to help. Apologies if it doesn't come across that way. You are the last person I want to offend today

Scorpette · 18/12/2009 21:56

Oh, I wasn't offended, I was as I wrote it! And may I complement you on your subtlety?

Yeah, it's really annoying to have diff symptoms as pre-droid ones - the one thing that the more helpful Dr I spoke to (who still wouldn't see me, grrr) said, was that the spotting before droiding was normal for many women and also that many women are unlucky enough to experience symptoms identical to updiff ones and it was just a reaction to progesterone. Warned me that I might be one of those women who spew throughout labour (O happy day!) and also said to ask my mum what her cycle had been like. Mum said she always had a few days of brown/pink before the main event and also felt a bit sick and had mastalgia (I knew about the latter already), so it's just genetic Sod's Law bad luck, really.

I had a dip of 3-4 places on DPO4/5 (me and Fertility Friend disagree on day of Ov - I can tell it was D14, it says D15 - my reckoning make the dip DPO5), but temps were still above the coverline, just. What did yours do?

Incidentally, there's been no more 'colour' since the teeny speckle earlier and there's been more fingering to check going on than most teen girls will be getting down the recce tonight, let me tell you I'm surprised I'm not making my poor old Tunnel of Love bleed! Am now being about 10% optimistic, as I might get pre-droid spotting, but once I've seen a little bit, I always see some every time I wipe/probe after that, as it increases in volume and frequency. To go off for a whole day, show the tiniest amount and then stop is not usual for me.

PS Ski the slippy pavement thing might not have done owt, but what about my over-enthusiastic demonstration of how to 'whine an' grine' to my work colleagues earlier?

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idealcamel · 18/12/2009 22:17

shineycunt hope all goes well today.

scroope you've probably scratched your bits with the checking. Leave your gusset alone (easier said than done). I have v similar responses to second half of cycle; vomitty, painful norks, spotting. It's immensely frustrating and makes symptom-spotting a) impossible and b) no fun at all.

ginster waiting must be agony. Arsebiscuits. Here, I'll hold this smug-faced-Michael-McIntyre punchbag so you can kick the shit out of it. While swigging from this nice bottle of slivovitz.

Scorpette · 18/12/2009 22:35

Aaargh, here I am waffling and Cuntshine and Gin have far more important stuff going on. TTC makes one so self-centred. Also hope everything goes well for both you guys

Yes, AuntyCamel. No more fiddling. Sorry. I think I'm doing well not to go and molest myself with a wad of toilet roll every 10 mins!

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CurlyCasper · 18/12/2009 22:49

scorps I have been and had a look at my FF chart. It doesn't look clear, but was to me:

Up at ovulation, then rose a few points, then down a tiny bit, then plummeted below coverline for one day, then shot back up, then down a little (still above coverline now) then sky high for one day, then back to same as day before, then jiggled around about half way between coverline and the highest spike.

I had no previous sensible charts to compare it to, so just took heart that it stayed above the coverline and was still there on day droid was due (kept temping after positive test, and it stayed up for days and days, then I couldn't be arsed anymore and knew I'd panic if it suddenly dropped)

Not all women have the same pattern, but anything above the coverline is good

right, must prepare for house viewing. night all!

HawaiianCuntShine · 18/12/2009 22:53

scorpy I was thinking the same thing as camel... sometimes one can be too aggressive with gusset (whaddidya callit?) puddleduck checking. And re: "more important things" we're all important, you getting DIFFED is the point of all of this afterall - so feel free to be in me-me-me mode. (god knows I am!)

Well dear firey lez doc says - tubal damage on both sides, cause unknown and unimportant at this point. This is what likely caused the ectopic years ago... blah, blah - good news is ute is back to normal shape and ready to go! She say's I'm not to give up yet and wants to book next round of IVF! ta! (is that the clackering of a rollercoaster I hear?)

gin thanks for the teq-crappa, I forgot how good this stuff is and I think it helped lossen up doc too. She had her shirt mostly unbuttoned and started dancing! woo hoo! Now I'm waiting your good news.

HawaiianCuntShine · 18/12/2009 22:55

PS - Here pinkie, pinkie, pinkie... (trying to coax out this little panther in my pants) shhh....

anyone know where I put the tent???

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