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gonepearshaped · 15/10/2009 16:31

Actually now I feel guilty using up the last post of the thread - hope this will do as a continuation

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Italiangreyhound · 05/03/2010 00:24

jollster so sorry for you, it sounds horrible, but you are very brave. I hope you will soon feel better and it will all be over. Thinking of you.

Frosticle a trampoline on three levels, it sounds like a giant hamster pen for people, you know how I love hamsters!

Gumblossom enjoy your day.

KiwiKat · 05/03/2010 16:25

ILGH - well said, she's a loon. And a scary one, at that.

Hopeful - so sorry that your mum isn't better. Do the doctors think that her mental state is temporary and might improve? My fingers are crossed that your follicles have a massive growth spurt!

Italian - you ARE being patient, it's not easy waiting, no surprises that you might have the occasional weep to let of a bit of steam.

Jollster - sorry this is so horrible for you.

Alba - best of luck for the blood tests, hope you get the answers you need.

Gumblossom - your DH sounds very supportive, nice to have around.

Well, EC went ok today. The hardest part was putting the IV in my hand - made a bit of a mess of it on the left, so ended up doing it on the right and it hurt like billy-oh. But all seemed to go ok, and they got 4 eggs, so fingers crossed that DH managed to produce the promised Super Sperm, and we have good news back tomorrow.

Waves to Frosticle, and all you other lovely laydees. x

Italiangreyhound · 05/03/2010 20:30

KiwiKat Four eggs, well done, hope hubby has super-douper sperm. This was the most sperm like smiley I could find!! - maybe it's the wavy mouth!

hippychick66 · 05/03/2010 20:40

Well done on the egg collection kiwi. Hope the troops do the job (that's what I tend to call sperm - i like to think of them as little soldiers .)

Italian Keep being patient, don't worry about the occasional blow up at DH. I really hope you don't get AF - if you're not meant to.

Jollster I have put a message for you on the other thread - very confusing being on 2 regular ones isn't it. Basically I am just so bloody mad for you that they didn't get you in for the Eprc so you didn't have to have this experience. It's enough that you had to suffer another MMC - surely you shouold have been able to have some control over how it went. for you hon. Take care. xx

KiwiKat · 05/03/2010 20:43

Thanks, Italian! Have just woken up and am feeling a little nauseous, which I guess is a result of the IV drugs. Forgot to say that the four eggs were just from the right ovary, as the follicles on the left were hiding under my wombs (yeah, thanks guys!). So Hopeful, if my follies can do it after all my concerns, YOURS can do it too!

rowingboat · 05/03/2010 23:51

Hi all,
Kiwi great news on the four musketeers, take it easy the ec is the most intrusive bit so make sure you are well-rested. Hope the boys and girls have a good night in the incubators.
I can't believe your boss, what a cow! Forget her and concentrate on you!

Jolster that sounds very gruelling, thank goodness it all seems to be over and your body can start to recover.

Hippy did your book arrive yet? I have heard a lot about it. It is heavy going, but worth it from what I can gather.

Hopeful, so sorry to hear your mum isn't well. You must be going through hell, I can't imagine really, but you do sound very calm. How is your mum?

Italian, I don't think you need unisex names for embryos, I mean I don't think Barry is generally a girl's name, but there could be an exception made in this case.
I named mine to make them a bit more 'real' because IVF all becomes a bit impersonal. Plus it's a bit of fun during quite a stressful time.

Gum how's Charlie, is he giving you a hard time?

Frosticle I have visions of your DD flying over the top of your house from the enormous trampoline. You may need to keep a ladder at the ready, to rescue her from the roof.

I have chickened out of the cyst op, decided it was too invasive and didn't want to have to undergo anaesthesia as a first resort to getting rid of the cysts. I found some research about ibuprofen preventing the follicle from rupturing during ovulation and causing a cyst, so I phoned the consultant and discussed leaving things and stopping ibuprofen (I have been taking it 3 times a day for months) to see whether the cysts go on their own. He has scheduled me for another scan on March 26th.
For some reason I am now bleeding again, I think this is linked to the cysts. I also have quite a PMSy feeling: bloating, sore boobs that kind of thing, so there is some kind of hormonal thing going on at the moment. I can't imagine having a normal cycle whilst this is going on.
Has anyone else had trouble with cysts?

hippychick66 · 06/03/2010 12:27

Hi rowing sorry to hear you're having such bother with the cyst. It really wasn't your fault that you had to take so much ibuprofen - you had loads of trouble with your ears - didn't you?

The only experience I had with a cyst was when that private consultant said he thought I had a cyst so couldn't give me clomid wihtout removing it (via laproscapy). Of course it turned out I was preg and my GP thinks the consultant was mistaking the corpus luteum for an ordinary cyst. So i don't actually know whether I have one or not anymore .

Is it possible that you might have to delay de-frosting Barry until the cyst has gone??

Italiangreyhound · 06/03/2010 19:06

rowingboat I really hope the cysts will be able to go down by themselves. Keep thinking positive deflation! Yes, I agree, names could be either boy or girl. I will go for a selection. Maybe Daisy will be one. Let's see how many we get. Will tell you when I know.

Waves to all

hippychick66 · 06/03/2010 20:12

italian I have an image of you ending up with a whole load of hamsters - just cos you have names that you didn't get to use for the emmbies!!!!

I really hope all goes well with daisy etc!!

KiwiKat · 06/03/2010 20:56

Rowing, lovely to hear from you! Sorry the cysts are causing you worry.

We have 2 fertilised eggs - ET is Monday morning. Fingers (and everything else) crossed!

Hope you're all having a relaxing weekend.

hopeful45 · 06/03/2010 21:47

Well, I must confess that in order to post, I needed to read the last week's posts and take notes! I haven't figured out how to draft a message and review the posts at the same time without losing my 1/2 complete post.

It turns out that my 3rd "little follicle that could"...couldn't--it only made it to 11mm while the other 2 were 18mm and 20mm and ready for trigger. Since I only had the two mature follicles, I knew I'd never talk them into the IVF (since the minimum criteria was 4 mature follicles) so I didn't even try. I had the trigger shot yesterday and the IUI a few hours ago. As I said, I've had 5 unsuccessful IUIs in the past year but at least this time there were 2 follicles (and hopefully 2 eggs) and everything was monitored quite closely to ensure the timing was right. With the OPKs, I was never quite sure if I had the right day or was a day off. DH's sperm got top marks for "speed" and "forward direction" so he was quite proud of himself!

And on a financial note, we saved ourselves about $9,000 not doing IVF (but IUI instead). But...spending $7,000 on meds just to get 2 follicles rather then the 1 I could get naturally seems a bit extravagant. Oh, to be 25 yrs old and oblivious to the challenges!

My mum is still about the same--some physical improvement (no where near walking or continent but at least not near unconsciousness). Mentally, however, it's exhausting to try to engage in a conversation with her. My last visit on Friday (yesterday)she spoke of everyone being dead and why they had died. I told her I would file her nails (in bed) and come back Monday when she was moved to a chair (upright) to paint them. She said, "don't bother" and I said "why?" and she said "because I'll be dead!" Not sure whether to laugh or cry most of the time...

KiwiKat Congratulations on the 4 eggs retrieved on Friday and the 2 that fertilized. ET on Monday--how exciting! Have you done IVF before? Sorry...note taking was not as extensive as I thought P.S. Had a giggle at your "shooting up in the loo at work" comment.

Alba Glad to hear you talked them into some testing early. We have learned that if we don't advocate strongly for ourselves often nothing gets done and precious time gets wasted!

Rowing Sounds like a good strategy to get rid of the cysts. I think you are having your cyst scan the same day as TFLS's 13 week pg scan (Mar 26)--maybe you'll see each other at the clinic Though I'm not sure, I imagine everyone on the board all living in London or thereabouts and me being the only one from North America (oh to have signatures for every post that would help my memory out) Thanks for asking about my mum.

Jollster I hope all the bleeding and cramping has taken care of things for you. Will you still go for Tuesday's scan to double check?

TFLS Thanks for the fruitful follicles wishes. At least the 2 grew well and look promising. I know the odds of a healthy egg at my age are not great--but it does happen occassionally. Any chance of an earlier scan or will you wait for the Mar 26 scan?

GumBlossom and Italian Thanks for the support to proceed to IVF with 3 follicles. Unfortunately, as I mentioned above, I only got the 2 mature ones in time (after 10 days of stimming) and they felt to stim for a few more days was too risky to the condition of the 2 already mature follicles. I probably still would have been willing to try IVF with 2 follicles (had they let me) but every clinic I've ever seen wants at least 3 follicles, especially when eggs are old and less likely to be of good quality.

Thanks everyone for the well wishes and keeping fingers and toes crossed.

gumblossom · 06/03/2010 22:39

Wow, there's a lot going on. Kiwi I can't wait to hear how it goes with the ET tomorrow.
Rowing, I don't know much about cysts, but I do remember that when I was pregnant with Charlie, they did an early ultrsound and on my notes there was mention of a cyst on one of my ovaries, it didn't affect the conception or pregnancy, but again, I don't know how big it was,so I suppose I'm not being much help...I hope stopping the ibruprofen does the trick for you.
Hopeful, I'm so sorry about your mum,it must be incredibly difficult for you. I hope this IUI did the trick this time.
Rowing, my LO hasn't been too bad actually, it's more a case of me feeling a bit burnt out and lonely - last year I spent a fair bit of time with my sister who has left town and her family to study in the city.I feel sad and disappointed in her as she has left 4 boys with their dad to persue her mid-life crisis. It's none of my business, I know, but she seems like a different person and I guess I am grieving a bit.
Also my other mate has gone back to work,so it is hard to catch her.
I love being a stay at home mum, but it is easier with company.Having a baby at this age has kind of meant going on a different path to most of our friends,but I don't really have the energy to get a whole lot of new ones! I just need to do a little more for myself and I think I'll be fine.It was nice having my DH help out a bit on Friday.I was able to take my daughter into the drs without my LO destroying the waiting room.Then we went out for an iced chocolate.
I also got to do some sewing, which always helps me feel better!
Jollster,I hope you are okay.

Italiangreyhound · 07/03/2010 00:28

KiwiKat Well done on two embies, how brilliant. So happy for you, makes all that nosy boss business worthwhile!

These are not boobs or biscuits, they represent embies...

hopeful45 Well done on your two follicles, sorry it could not be more but I got pregnant wit IUI with one follicle so maybe these two will be able to make it. Well done to DH or his super sperm.

So sorry to hear about your mum, but maybe she will improve, let's hope for the best, your name is hopeful after all.

gumblossom I am so sorry about your sis, my sis and I are very close and she is a great mum, it must be very hard to see your sis move away and leave her family. Hopefully, it will not be permanent and the sis you know and love will be back. These mid-life things don't always last and at least if you have some contact you can keep things going in terms of a normal family relationship. If she isn't in regular contact it may be that she feels guilty about what she is doing. Families do sometimes do funny things. Sorry to hear too that you are not always feeling in company with others. I feel at times a bit of an old mum but luckily I have a few friends who are also almost as old as me, some of them have teenagers and also primary school kids so we have quite a bit in common (except I don?t know what it is like to have teenage kids, a bit of an eye opener at times!).

hippychick66 DH will only allow one hamster and I don't think he will be swayed on that!

ALFIEMAC how are you doing?

Jollster Thinking of you.

Dechen Thinking of you.

randomimposter · 07/03/2010 07:47

Morning all
Am fascinated by all the tales of follicles and development etc. I have virtually no knowledge of assisted techniques and procedures but think that may be a future route for us. So I certainly know where to come for guidance! Thinking of you all going through the various stages - I admire your patience and determination greatly.

hopeful I am feeling for you with your mum, your conversations sound reminiscent of latter ones with my dear dad (not about painting nails but you know what I mean!). You have a lot on your plate evidently. I hope you feel ok with it all; you sound like you are coping admirably.

kiwi all the best for Monday .

All ok here; have to go to EPU again tomorrow to be scanned to see if surgery now (hopefully) unnecessary. Have taken the opportunity of the last few days to drink some good wine, eat lots of naughty cheese and pate, and frankly too much chocolate! Will then try and return to good ways and get back on the path of healthiness!!

Waving to you all from a bright and sunny (but rather fresh) morning on the south coast x

KiwiKat · 07/03/2010 11:04

Yesterday wasn't so straightforward. Of the four eggs they got, one was immature, one was empty, and the two fertilised were injected , which DH is completely opposed to, and had told the clinic he didn?t want. He has a theory that we'd be assisting substandard sperm to fertilise possibly substandard eggs, leading to a child with vulnerabilities. He had an absolute meltdown and is still ranting today. While I appreciate his point, we have to accept that it?s happened, and I?m not going to forgo these much-wanted and pretty damn expensive embies just because he?s upset ? I?m trying to stay chilled and happy with ET in mind, but it?s incredibly stressful, and I can?t believe he?s being so selfish.

As we all know, there are no guarantees at any step, and there are quite few steps ahead of us yet.

Sorry that this is all me, me, me at the moment!

hippychick66 · 07/03/2010 16:45

Sorry to hear it's all so stressful kiwi. I do see what your DH means - natural selection etc. But I also agree with you.

Once you've started down the assisted conception route, it seems right to do what needs to be done. Would he have prefered the sperm to just swim around the eggs and decide against them??

When i watched a programme on channel 4 about exactly what sperm have to go through to get to the egg it did amaze me and also made me wonder how I managed to be made (how did the sperm that made ME fight all the others to get to the egg I am not competitive at all!!!).

Did he not tell them that he doesn't agree with IXY?? I really hope that he calms down and that your 2 little emmbies work out well for you. Try to remember that this is THE most stressful thing for both of you - but you ARE in it together and for all the right reasons. Sending lots of love to you both. xx

hippychick66 · 07/03/2010 16:48

Sorry kiwi just re-read your message and he DID tell them he didn't agree with it. Note to self - read other peoples post properly before commenting .

Italiangreyhound · 07/03/2010 21:13

KiwiKat sorry to hear it has all been a bit traumatic for you with the eggs and the dh! Please do reassure him, I think the whole business about icsi is that they choose a good sperm and just assist it. I feel very confident that it doesn't mean a vulnerable sperm/egg etc. We are expecting icsi and feel fine about it.

Is he worried because he has read something or is he just letting his imagination run riot?

You?re perfectly entitled to be me, me, me!

Any news from ILoveGH, Thefatladyscreams or Frosticle?

Greetings to SilverStuddedBlue, Spiral Queen, TetleyTea, Totallyfloaty35, Hairytriangle and Woodelf*.

randomimposter · 08/03/2010 21:38

just a quick squeeze for kiwikat. x

hippychick66 · 08/03/2010 22:08

kiwi I know you're probably posting more on the assisted conception thread.

Personally I've been hanging out with the TTC after MC gang so i do understand that you might hang out more with people in the same boat - honest.

Just wondered how it was all going? Have you had the embryos put in yet? Sorry if I seem thick - I don't know the timings.

Hope you and DH are both ok. xx

Italiangreyhound · 09/03/2010 01:23

Hi all

Hope everyone is doing well.

Hopeful How is your mum? Thinking of you.

Alba have you found a good book yet? My colleagues laughed when I told them about my grammar book!

Hippy how is it going?

Gumblossom how are you feeling? We have had the most amazing weather here, it was sunny! Had a fantastic pink and red sky at night. Thinking of you in sunny Oz.

Jollster It?s amazing when you start IUI/IVF or whatever you know nothing but all clinics seem to do it slightly differently so there is probably no one who knows all about it. I hope you won?t need to go down that route but if you do it is OK. I am also on an assisted conception thread too. To be honest it has been so long now that it seems normal and the idea that people actually just have sex and get pregnant is actually quite weird! Weird but wonderful!

I called the nurse today as I was worried, Had emotional outburst a week ago and a tiny touch of pink last night, not the perfume! Then brown blood a tiny smear (TMI) this morning and some pink and red blood today! I was freaking out, quietly! Did a pregnancy test in case it was a repeat of what happened in 2006 (I had a missed miscarriage when I did not realise that I was pregnant). It was negative.

Phew. I mean being pregnant would have been great but I was scared it would all go wrong. It was a cheap test (the kind where you can't pee in a cup, you pee directly onto the stick, which I have never been good at!). I managed to pee on the window, which you are not meant to do (the test window not our window!) .

I got to work and had period type pains! Played telephone tag with the nurses, where I imagined that the drugs were not working and I would have to abandon the whole thing (imagination ran wild!).

Spoke to a dear nurse in the loo at work (me on the phone not the nurse literally in the loo). The nurse said it was break through bleeding, because I was on the Buseraline for so long, it was nothing to worry about and normal . Once I start the Proganova it will be fine. She said that that would also account for the emotions as there were no hormones or the wrong hormones in me.

So hooray, it is all fine.

randomimposter · 10/03/2010 16:29

IGH your post really made me smile. Peeing on windows and having intimate chats with nurses in cubicles..... Glad all ok though.

Hope kiwikat doing well. Let us know when you're able.

Hi to all x

AlbaDeTamble · 10/03/2010 18:39

hi all, Italian I still have no book, but catch ups by iPhone keeps me going for most of the journey, though mostly waiting for pages to refresh with dodgy reception...

Am in awe of what you keep smiling through with assisted conception. And realise quite how lucky I am... Fell pg just 3 months after DH's VR, albeit one that didn't last but hoping we can at least conceive again soon... At that time of the month where my hormones put me in a happy mood... Will be wailing again in a week no doubt, obsessively symptom spotting, worrying what blood tests may throw up and wondering if progesterone supplement might help. ILGH hope that's working for you and all going well!

big hellos to everyone else, sorry not much namechecking but the signal will taper off soon....

rowingboat · 10/03/2010 18:54

Hi all,
Italian I was laughing at your antics as well, didn't really think you hit the window in your bathroom, that would be truly remarkable.
Kiwi your DH sounds like my DP, he is absolutely callous about the whole natural selection thing. I do see your DH's point, but think it would have been worth mentioning before embarking on assisted conception journey. Bit too late and too much money down the road to be complaining now. Still just switch off your hearing aid and pop on your ipod, then you will only see his mouth moving. Hope you are OK, it is a tough process, but you can do it!
Jollster how did you get on at the hossy? Are you feeling a bit better now?
Hippy, you made me laugh about not being competitive at all, that's a very good point actually.
My DP was complaining that our little boy didn't stand at the front of the queue at one of his classes. He thought it was somehow indicative of his social status or lack of or lack of competitiveness or something. I was shaking my head at competitive daddy. Quite frankly if DS has a nice time and tries his best that's good enough for me. Good grief!
Hopeful how are things? I'm thinking about your and your mum.
I don't really have much to add, still waiting for the next scan to see if the cysts go. I am taking agnus castus to try to get things back to normal and the bleeding has all but stopped. Ho hum! We will get there in the end. Go and get Barry and co.

hippychick66 · 10/03/2010 20:17

Hi to all. ItalianGH very funny. Imagine if you could actually hit the window and nurses all worked in toilet cubicles - the wonderful world of Italian greyhounds. I'm guessing there would be lots of hamsters too!! hee hee

Alba Hope the blood test come back all good. I have got an appointment with a consultant for a week on Friday. Just want to ask a few things before we go again. Would also like to get the blood tests done that you mentioned especially the prog at 7 days after ov. The good news is that the appointment should be around about the time my 1st post MMC AF (lots of code in there!) is due. So we hopefully will have a few answers before we start ttcing again. I am going to ask about the whole progesterone, short cycle thing. I'm just hoping he/she is nice and gives me the time of day.

My DH thinks I'm on here to much so have sneaked on whilst he is upstairs - don't tell him!!!!

Big wave to my beach buddy Jollster.

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