Feisty & Fabulous at 40+ more adventures of TTC

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Actually now I feel guilty using up the last post of the thread - hope this will do as a continuation

Oh God, I've just realised that I said my GP said that there wasn't much evidence that giving me something to thicken the lining would have helped in my case and then i re-read that ILGH is going to use suppositories to do something similar. I am so sorry. i hope I haven't upset you ILGH. I think it just depends which way your looking at it from.

I need to believe that there wasn't anything more I could have done for my little one. Do you see what I mean or do you hate me now?????

Hippy don?t worry. I am sure ILoveGregoryHouse realises that you are talking about your particular situation, as is your doctor, and that her situation is different. With this IVF cycle (and my last attempt) we were given pessaries that are (I assume) to help keep our embie in place (I am so hoping there will be an embie this time) and I am guessing these are to make a suitable environment in there which is what the progesterone supp are for too. So I am sure ILoveGregoryHouse progesterone supps will help in her situation, wishing you both all the best.

Tetley so sorry for your friend.

hopeful45 hope your mum is better soon.

AlbaDeTamble what a fab name, beautiful, I hope you get your own little Alba.

Hi everyone,
sorry it's been quite busy this week and I've been distracting myself from huge, looming bills by going out every day of the holidays (in Scotland) very lovely too.
ILGH Congratulations, lots of stickies for this little one.
Re the progesterone, lots of IVF women get progesterone to support the pregnancy and if you have any concerns about yours I can't see that it could do any harm and only good.

Hippy I'm glad the evacuation went without any problem. YOu are bound to feel very sensitive about what has happened. Be very kind to yourself and be self-indulgent if you can, manicure or something.

Not much to report here but a big wave to Tetley, thank you for your nice message.
Really must go to bed.... back soon.

ILoveGregoryHouse yes, hang on to the idea that God makes things beautiful in time. I don?t think everything that happens is what God plans but God can transform things, I believe that definitely.

ILGH, such lovely news.Your beta level is great for 12 dpo!
Keep us posted.
Sorry to hear of miscarraiges and ill mums.
I'm reading loads of yoga philosophy at the mo, trying to stop myself from thinking about the "baby" thing.But, f* it, can't seem to get it out of my head!
Blimey, wish I could just get a pill to stop the broodiness!
And my house is SOOOOOOOO filthy, I should be cleaning while my LO is engrossed in the night garden, but really, just want to tuck into a block of chocolate and have a rest!

Heavy sigh

Oh Hippy, don't give it another second's thought! I thought the prog is to support the hcg production - really I have no clue, am just going along with it. I don't think I have an issue with the lining judging by the gubbins that I got with the mc at 4+4. I also read an article that it may help prevent mc but does not have an effect on live birth iyswim so maybe that's the fact that it can help supplement the environment but if there's something wrong with the embryo, it can't help.

I hope you find the strength for another try. Your DH is right but it's hard, isn't it? "What if" is so difficult to get out of your head. Your doc sounds lovely btw.

Thanks ILGH I'm glad you got what I meant. I think if they give you something as it's bedding in (sounds cosy doesn't it!) it's a very different situation to me wondering if I should have done something different at 7 weeks.

My GP said even if I'd gone for the early scan the cons would probably just have said all looked ok cos it probably was at that point.

I was just lying awake the other night convincing myself that if I'd just gone for an early scan all would be ok now and after talking to my GP,my Dh & my sis I am feeling differently now.

I will of course check things like progesterone levels with the new consultant.

I bought some cheap ov sticks on ebay. This is not cos I want to start trying yet it's just so i can get an idea of when i ov so i can see if I still have a short luteal phase ready for when I go to see the cons.

Good luck to all. Thanks for all the love and support. xx

Hello, Hippy your hormones are all over the shop so no injunction! Tbh has been cathartic for me to talk about my experience, just glad it was helpful for you too
Wish I had a nice kind GP and a consultant who wasn't dismissive of my wish to rule out anything wrong with me... It's not like I'm expecting this on the NHS either, saw him privately!
Quick word of warning on the OPK sticks... They give a line with either LH or HCG as the hormones are so similar... So need to wait till you get a negative pg test before they're reliable. Took me about 10 days post-op.

Thanks Alba. I got 60 sticks and could have any combination so I chose 10 preg and 50 ov. I'll keep checking until i get a not preg (Oh god that is so bloody awful!!!!!)

Anyway where was I before the sobbing started. Ahh yes, I'll do some preg test when i stop bleeding and then i'll start on ov's once all hgh hormones have gone.

I would like to have an idea of what kind of luteal phase i have before I think about trying again, so will have to do this - despite saying previously that i hate opk's and I'd never use them again.

I thought the time travellers wife film did not do justice to the book at all - by the way. Thanks for not taking out the court injunction

By the way Alba the more i read about recurrent mc's the more I freak out. But I think we should both focus on the fact that this is our one and only experience of this and it really is likely that our embryos just weren't quite right. Plus we both have children/child already (I believe you have 1 DC - right?) There seems to be so much mixed info about whether baby asprin and progesterone works etc. I really really hope that for both of us it was just a blip and not the start of somehting else.

My lovely Gp said that my body gave everything it could to that pregnancy and she also said that once you've been preg recently you're far more likely to get preg again. Yes she is a fab GP. I was with her for about 25 mins and she had other people waiting and when I apologised she just waved it all away and said it was fine. She also said to me I know how much this baby was wanted and I am genuinly so sorry. You can't argue with that kind of support can you.

Hi all,
Hippy that isn't great: the sticks I mean, but I think it helps to view it as a process where the best possible embryo will take and less viable embryos will not. It's so harsh, but I think, for me, IVF kind of makes it all so clinical and you do have to think in a clinical way to stay sane.
I hope you are feeling a bit better after seeing your lovely GP.

Sorry I didn't have time to say hi to all the new people so welcome to SaraMTA and Alba. This is a great thread, I should know I've been here for eveeerr.

Actually, is there anyone left from the start of this thread, when Heron and Cece were on? OMG it's probably just me, I'm such a loser.

Alba speaking of films being a let-down, I am wincing at the thought of a screen play of 'Lovely Bones'. Did you read that?

Hi Rowing Boat - Since you've been on this string for so long, can you tell any stories of hope about Heron or Cece or any of the originals having a successful pregnancy? (Ideally someone who is 45)

Morning...
Hopeful, you'll find some inspiration on the over 40's pg thread - sadly a few of us m/c'd but plenty of over 40's women on there well into pregnancy now and a few have given birth already.

Thanks for the pep talk Hippy, I know you're right, just have a few down days where I think it's all my fault/ impossible, but am doing my best to stick with DH's optimism. His money's on a December baby, so at least if he's wrong I'll have some retail therapy to look forward to!! And yes, I have a 2 year old son who's really helping keep me smiling. Hope your boys doing OK.

As for films... I've avoided any films of books I've loved ever since Captain Corelli's Mandolin was so rubbish... But haven't read The Lovely Bones... Maybe I should. Need something for my commute so I don't spend hours sitting on the train obsessing about babies...

Hi all

AlbaDeTamble stay positive, Christmas babies are so cute, keep thing positively, I have not read the Lovely Bones, and I don't think it is my type of book, I like comedies. I quite enjoyed Ben Elton's book about the IVF couple, it was made into a film called Maybe baby and the book might have been called Immaculate, but not sure. It has a picture of sperm on the front! Might be an inspiration but would not stop you thinking about babies!

Hippy hope you are doing OK.

Thinking of you Gumblossom, ILGH, TFLS and all.

No news for me but another fab lady and I from assisted conception thread are trying to lose 6 plus pounds before treatment starts in 6 weeks!

Waves

Alba Maybe don't read the lovley bones just yet. It's very emotional. I cried none stop when i read it and that was before the MC!!!

I was meant to be going to see it with a friend soon but think I will seriously have to give that idea a miss. My sobbing will distract the other people in the cinema.

Obviously it's up to you and I don't want to appear like a bossy boots - but it is very sad.

If my cycles come back ok then I'll probably start ttc again in April-ish. You never know alba we might get those Xmas babies after all. I would love to be pregnant again and past 12 weeks when I get to the date when my little one was meant to arrive. That would make the day slightly easier.

How is ILGH?

alba I'm making it my mission to prove to you and me that we will be fine next time.

I was a bit obsessed about having a thin womb lining just before I got my BFP. However, my GP said that the fact that my hgh levels were so good was a good sign. I found these quotes which helped me a bit:-

Firstly I'm focusing on the fact that my hgh levels were so good at 6 weeks:-

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) is the "pregnancy hormone" or "announcer of pregnancy" that keeps the corpus luteum producing progesterone when you conceive. So that was working ok.

Then I'm focusing on the fact that we have both had healthy pregs:-

The most common cause of an isolated miscarriage in a woman who has previously had successful pregnancies is a chromosomally abnormal baby. Fifteen to 20% of all pregnancies miscarry and MOST of those are babies that are not chromosomally normal.

I'm just one of those people who needs to be told these things several hundred times!!

Shaking as I type this but just started spotting. So scared and can't help but assume the worst. DH is out so have no-one to talk to. God - I can't help but believe that it's happening again.

Sorry to be so miserable. Desperately trying to remind myself that not all bleeding means game over. But it's just such a horrible feeling of deja vu.

TFLS, what's the spotting like? colour? How many weeks are you now? Can you call midwife?

I had spotting with DS1 and DS3 and everything was fine. My bf had terrrible soaked through and to the knees bleeding at 13 weeks but her son was fine (she now thinks it was vanishing twin).

Am keeping everything crossed for you.

ILGH - thanks. I'm just over 8 weeks. Only noticed the spotting about half an hour ago - bit is pinkish red and bit is brownish.

That was exactly how my miscarriage started. Thanks for telling me about your DSs.

Can you call epu for an appointment asap?

Just tried - no answer.

Suspect I'll have to sit it out til Monday - always assuming nothing happens before then.

Thanks for your support. I'm off to an appointment with my acupuncturist now. Will probably burst into floods of tears over the poor woman.

tfls,please dont panic too early.I bled pretty heavily with dd2 and had some serious spotting with dd3,usually it happened at the points i would have expected my period.It happened for a few days of each month until i was 4months with dd2 and 3 months with dd3.Iwish you well x

TFLS - really sorry you're going through this scary stuff. this is what my book "your pregnancy week by week" by prof lesley regan says about spotting:

"as many as one in three women have some sort of bleeding during the first trimester ranging from brown to bright red spotting to large blood clots. In the majority of cases, it settles down and does not mean that there is any serious problem, since most women go on to have healthy babies."

She then goes on to describe the heavy bleed she had at 8 weeks that soaked through her clothes.A scan 2 days later showed heartbeat and she had healthy twins x months later.

Really hope you're ok.

ps.Alba feisty & fabulous definitely us. My DP looking more like fifty and f..........

TFLS Cannot imagine how scared you must be at the moment. Really hoping for an all clear from you asap. hugs from hippy. xx

TFLS, thinking of you, I know it's incredibly scary, but my Zita West book says almost exactly the same as Tetley's book, it's very common to get spotting and in most cases everything is ok... that probably doesn't help a great deal, but if you can possibly find some distractions to help you relax it will be good for your little bean.
Hoping for the best for you