The WIMBEWAI(N)F Club

[Bucky2008]

OK, so how about we start of on a positive....

I bought the test.

I did the test.

BFP .

Job done.

That sounds like a lovely day to me, Caitni. God I would love a cigarette this evening. That must count as my first pregnancy craving - how warped is that?

Well I have decided to ignore the crappy Clearblue. Instead I am going to call the EPAU tomorrow and find out what they advise me to do. I am having plenty of period-style cramps which I am taking as a good sign (with both my eps I had backache more than tummy cramps) and not too many twinges on either side. My DH is sure this one is fine (bless him) but I am on tenterhooks. Hence the longing for a Marlboro Light, perhaps...

Thanks for calming me down, RFN2 and Caitni.

I hope everyone else is ok. GG next week does sound exciting and I think the approach of taking it one hurdle at a time is bang on. Can't wait to hear how you get on.

CAITNI The beans and I are good thanks, though I would be very grateful if you had a ciggie for me as I have been craving one all day lol
Glad you had a good day x

MRSHAPPY Glad you have decided to ignore the test, if it helps I did one of those on christmas day when I was about 5 weeks and it came up as 2-3 wks, which was right but considering I am having twins I would have expected it to be higher. The cramps sound very positive too

Hope that scan comes round quickly to help put you at ease though, I know I dont understand how you must feel but I do know that those first 12 wks are hard enough without extra worry x

hi ladies
just a quick hello while i am sleepless and tying to keep my mind occupied
things are still painful and sad here so i wont bore you all with the dreary talk tonight i just wanted to pop in as i miss you lot (how sad am i?!!)
and i also noticed my old pal judith chalmers has returned im glad life is good for you with the ivf going well etc
also another set of twins RFN2&3 congrats!!
we will have to change the thread name to TWINbewai(n)f club before long if any more of you lot get a double BFP!!
and last but by no means least...drumroll please ...
MrsH OH MY BLOODY NORA!!! a BFP jesus that was quick!! i am made up for you congrats!! i couldnt think of another lovely girl who deserves a healthy bean more than you do
love and hugs!! xx
xx ei xx

ei - don't worry about boring us. You wouldn't for a start, and we are here for you when things are sh*tty. Thanks for the lovely welcome back to the thread, i missed you all . He he, we've got no holidays planned at the moment, but if IVF works/does not work, I think a relaxing break might be in order ot get over it all . Thinking of you. Try to stay positive and get some sleep. (((((((hugs)))))))

readyfor2&3 - i am now very inspired by you and madoldbird and the possibility of twins. Maybe some twin luck from the WIMBEWAI(N)F will rub off on me . I think you have something like a 25% chance of a multiple birth if IVF works, so I actually have my fingers crossed for two. My mum is a twin and DH's aunts, so it's something we would love to happen if the cards fall in the right way.

bucky - are you alright today? Did you speak any more to yoru DP about maybe going for IVF? Hope you had a lovely weekend of being spoiled

I had my day 5 blood test this morning, so we are edging closer and closer to egg collection and transfer, probably next week. I HATE gettign blood taken and i am a complete wuss. DH couldn't come with me today, which i didn't mind at all (only takes 10 mins) but i have noticed the clinic are quite sniffy about that, like you are not "together" enough. The doctor asked "And wher is your partner today....?!" sort of insinurating that DH should be there to show solidarirty. DH and I are absolutely rock solid - more so than ever - so it felt odd. It was only a tiny wee blood test and he's come to everything else.

Must get on with some work. Happy Mondays everyone.

Big hello to caitni - an excellent Irish win yesterday. You desreve a few drinks. I was the pub watching it too (but on one wine and the rest lemonades )

Hello to mrsH too. I am sure the CBD is just a little out with dates and everything will be fine. Please check in later and let us know how you are.

GGx

Thanks Ei. To echo what GG said, you couldn't possibly bore us. Obviously you are going to be sad and if you need to talk about it you go right ahead.

GG how exciting that you hopefully are coming up to egg collection so soon. and don't worry about what the clinic might think about your DH not being there. He'll go for the important bits and there is no point in two of you taking time out of work for a little blood test. At my clinic the waiting room was always full of women on their own and I think that is pretty usual.

Well, I have had a very frustrating morning. Firstly speaking to the EPAU who said (notwithstanding what they told me before) that they could not see me without a GP letter, then to the GP's receptionist who told me needing to go to the EPAU is not an emergency (even though the EPAU is an emergency service) and so I could join the very long queue for an appointment. Then I spoke to my private clinic to see if they could do a scan for me. I really did not want to go private though, since if any treatment is needed I would have to get a referral from an NHS consultant for BUPA to pay for it, and then - woo hoo! - a nurse from the NHS EPAU called me and said one of the consultants is willing to see me if I pop in tomorrow. He even reckons apparently that they should be able to spot the bean at 4+3 (although even if he can't at least I will be in the system so will automatically get some follow-up). So I can breathe a sigh of relief. Until tomorrow, anyway!

Hope you are all well.

fantastic news about the scan mrsH i am sure your little bean will be fine and the consultant will be able to have a good look and reassure you. Persistence definitely pays off in these things! Well doen for beign assertive.

I've just got the time for my Day 9 scan on Friday ....it's at 7.20am! Which is my third appointment this week. We live a couple of bus rides away or 10 mins in a taxi from the clinic, but it really brought it home to me how difficult it must be to undergo assisted conception if you live outside London/far from a clinic/in a rural location. The system clearly favours city dwellers. Idon't know how I would to juggle work and appointments at the same time otherwise.

I have just eaten a tube of Mini Eggs . YUMMY! Being almost completely off alcohol since Christmas has given me the worst ever chocolate cravings. i am clearly substituting one fattening product that is bad for you for another

Just had a call from the hospital - they got the blood test results and they want me to come in tomorrow for my Day 9 scan (i.e. day 6!). I am reacting more quickly than expected, which is both exciting and scary IYKWIM

Hoep you are all well.

GGx

Blimey that is exciting GG. Your ovaries must be in excellent nick. Good luck for tomorrow.

I am glad to have the scan arranged, but I am so sick of my GP. Any appointment system that treats potential ectopic pregnancy as though it is not an emergency is quite simply not fit for purpose. I can't wait to move GPs (that's next week's task, if this bean is ok). Thank God for decent NHS consultants who would rather see me at this stage and be in control than have me rushed in in the middle of the night with a ruptured tube... I just wish getting to this point had not been such a battle. I was becoming hysterical at one point and it is most unpleasant.

Don't slap me too hard but I did another of those conception indicator tests this avo (so not FMU) and it says 2-3 weeks so I have calmed down a little!!

Hope everyone is ok. Sorry for ranting again, my head is rather full with doing battle with the NHS!

I'm excited for both you GG and MrsH, it seems good things are finally happening for you both which is fab!

Its amazing that your results have come through so quick gg - your innards must be on their best behaviour!! Best of luck tomorrow, let us know how it all goes.

Sorry it took so much heart ache to get the right result MrsH, totally agree that your gp is completely missing the severity of this situation but pleased you got there eventually. Yay for a better test result though! Although this was one of my initial thoughts about the cb test - that it lays itself open to creating more panic than is healthy when the test doesn't show what you expect. Again, another way to make money from the ttc as you just end up testing more.

Ei please don't ever feel like you can't post on here when you're down. I wish you lots of love at the moment at such a difficult time.
How are you doing Bucky?

I forgot to mention that my period arrived the other day . On cd23 ffs. Last month it was cd54. My body is officially shit. Not sure I can manage this anymore. Not even sure this actually is my period as its not the same as usual but don't feel I can go to the doctor as they don't seem to care. As you say gg, it seems unless you're in London the resources are seriously lacking. I feel your pain at your uphill struggle MrsH!!

Am in a dreadful mood so will stop now before I bring you all down with me!

Take care xx

Poor you PnM. When you had your blood tests, who was it who interpreted the results? Was it a GP or a specialist? The reason I ask is that I find it really hard to believe that there would not be an underlying hormonal issue when your cycles are crazy. I really wish I could post you a decent gynaecologist to take control.

Oh, and I agree with you re the HPTs. In fact when they gave the free ones away and we were asked to comment my feedback was that I thought they might be the cause of a lot of worry for women who would check regularly to see if their pregnancy appeared to be progressing properly. It's just a shame that I am addicted to wee-sticks really. I must buy shares in the company that makes clearblue...

I used to have a wee stick addiction - 2yrs in and that addiction has waned, haven't taken a test in months, saved myself loads of ££!

Realised how jaded I've become when a friend said he and his wife were going for their 20wk scan today and my reaction was "good luck". He responded with "why do I need luck?". I quickly backtracked and said "oh, I just meant hope it's a lovely experience for you".

I then walked away and cried. I knew then that if/when (lets try and stay positive!) I ever get that + hpt I know its just the beginning and I'm not sure I'll ever really enjoy it. I'm nearly 30 and I always imagined I'd have at least 1 child by now, always wanted a big family but I'm seriously having to reassess my expectations. The thought that I might have to go through all this again if I ever wanted to produce a sibling (again , staying optimistic) makes me feel sick.

Not sure who looked at my results if I'm honest. I know that sounds flakey but I've sort of got confused with who's looked at what. Haven't seen a gynaecologist in the flesh yet, they seem reticent to refer me to one. I think my GP assumes that the fertility clinic will sort everything - guess that means I have to bide my time and wait until June. Ho Hum.

This wasn't supposed to be this difficult! I've never been someone to assume life owes me something and I'm very grateful for all I have but I think my patience just wore out...

My god but I'm in an awful mood, I apologise!!

picknmix for you. I'm sorry that AF arrived. I am absolutely convinced that unless you are in London, the system is stacked against you for access assisted conception treatment. Is there any possibility of you changing GP surgeries? It sounds like you are beign treaten appalingly. (apologies if you have discussed this below when I was on my sabbatical from the Wimbewai(n)f )

I wonder if my ovaries are behaving. i am off to google Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome . So far with my tunnel vision approach, I have avoided anything negative and/or scaring myself witless about the bad things that can happen, but everything does seem to be happening at super-lightning speed and the nurse was a bit evasive. Lots of "erm...monitor the situation" chat. They told me not to take the Gonal F (stmulating hormone in the morning "just in case"

MrsH - I can't believe that with a history of ectopic pregnancy and your recent experiences that the GP won't take you seriously. Let us know how the scan goes tomorrow. Great news about the pee on a stick result!

ei - thinking of you if you are looking in.
hello everyone else.

Bucky are you still there? Will email you tomorrow. I got caught up today at work

GG lots of luck today. If you are getting overstimulated, presumably they can just reduce your dosage. I hope it goes well for you.

PnM It's crap that you are having a tough time getting the care that you need. But the good news is you are only 29. I know it doesn't feel like it but time is on your side to get this sorted. When I went to my private clinic to talk about the options my consultant nearly danced a jig when I told him I was 33. He said to me that there was plenty of time for me, and that most of their patients come when they are a lot older and it is harder to do anything for them. so I know it is shitty, but that is a (vaguely) bright side.

When I hear people are going for scans, in my head I do sometimes think "I hope it goes well for them", rather than assuming it is a done deal. One of my DH's friends told us his wife was 8 weeks pregnant and my response was along the lines of "are you crazy? Why are you telling people now?!" The upside of MN is the support you get, but the downside is knowing every possible thing that could go wrong in pregnancy. If this one is in the right place I am not sure when I will start enjoying it either; probably not until my 13 week scan at least. I wish I could go back in time and be how I was when I conceived DD. I got a +HPT, read some pregnancy books and never for a second thought anything might be wrong. The night before my 13 week scan I had a nightmare that there was nothing in there but that was it. maybe I was naive but ignorance really was bliss.

I'll be back later to tell you how the scan went. I think the most likely outcome is that they won't be able to see anything and I will start having bloods every 2 days etc again, but at least I will be in the system.

MrsHappy Just wanted to drop by and wish you well for your scan, hope they can see the bean (but like you say if they cant at least you are in the system)
[angry) at your gp though

GG Good luck today and hope things are going nicely in there for you

PnM Dont really know what to say but wanted to give you ((hugs)) and agree that a change of gp sounds in order

Just a quick note to say good luck to MrsH for your scan - sorry you had to fight to get it, but am glad you're finally getting the medical attention you need (roll on changing GPs!). I'll check back in later for some good news from you

GG good luck with the scan - try not to worry about OHSS - it's precisely why they're monitoring you so closely. I'm hoping it shows a lovely number of follicles developing nicely

PnM so sorry to hear about period arriving . Why do you think it's different (apart from being about 4 weeks earlier than last month )? As an aside, I'd have to disagree about resources being stacked against non-Londoners as Brighton/Hove was excellent - GP was wonderful, very simple to get bloods done at the polyclinic, HSG appointment letter came through within two weeks of being referred (and a simple chamlydia test instead of anti-bs) with results given on the day and the fertility referral came through very quickly (even when I had to cancel one because of snow a replacement one came through for less than 4 weeks later). This shows it can be done and should be done in the neighbouring PCT. Sorry if I'm a bit ranty (rushing as about to go into a meeting!) but it's heartbreaking to read about your (lack of) treatment. You're entitled to change GPs and there's a good chance you'll have a more sympathetic doctor to help you (as happened with Ei).

Ei to you - you can post anytime, especially as you are so good at cheering everyone else up when it's needed and we want to be here for you when you need us too...

Waves to Bucky (hope you're doing OK), RFN2&3 and MOB and everyone else

OK, got to run but am hoping for some good news from MrsH and GG later!!

How did you go GG?

I have GOOD NEWS!

There is a bean, it is tiny (the right size for dates) and is in the right place. Of course there is still a significant risk of loss, as there would be for anyone, but the consultant said that when they are so easy to see this early that is a really good sign. I am booked in for another scan in 4 weeks to check that it has a heartbeat and in the meantime I am allowed to go on my holiday. Huzzah! One hurdle down, a least 36 more weeks to go!

Yaaaaay for your good news MrsH
[caitni pops the non-alchoholic fizz and passes MrsH a glass of bubbles].

Here's to a healthy pregnancy!

woooo hoooo for mrsH - that is FANTASTIC news! You must be over the moon.

I have some quite good news too, which I suppose is another step towards a little bean (note to self - mustn't get my hopes up, tunnel vision, each day as it comes etc etc). The scan today went well and the sonographer was very informative and helpful. I am (apparently) responding really well to the drug treatment and have FOURTEEN ripe little folicles which will hopefully contain eggs . ha, take that nadya Suleman mother of octuplets

The hospital will phone me this afternoon with "The Next Steps" after my scan and blood test results are checked, but things could be happening as soon as Friday . Two years of treading water hoping for a BFP or facing another hospital appointment and now my life feels like it is on fast forward!

DH made me laugh when I told him how many folicles they'd spotted "Ha, now they just have to find fourteen champion swimmers amoungst my sperm that are up to the job now! Easier said than done"

will check in later and see how you are all doing.

GGx

Eggscellent news GG! Fourteen follicles - wow! That's great and hoping that each one contains a lovely egg

So egg collection might be on Friday - that's so exciting!!! I'm so happy for you and your DH that the IVF is going so well so far and will be keeping my fingers firmly crossed for an eggstraordinary haul of eggs on Friday

I am now very definitely eggcited . He he, caitni you make me laugh with your egg gags. It's like all my Easters have come at once

Hopefully that will mean a decent haul when it comes to the EC.

i am also feeling very bloated. Ovulation x 14 stylee bloated. That's more than a year's worth all at once!

GG it must be all the mini eggs you ate the other day

MrsHappy Im really pleased for you and the bean certainly worth the fight to know things are good x

GG wow! that is fantastic news (sounds like you could well be adding to the twins on this thread ) Hope the egg collection goes well x

I'm here, just grumpy , so have absconded to the Hut of Gloom. Had to happen eventually!

MrsH, havent read up today, but glad you are feeling better about things and hope the scan goes/went well.

GG Yeeha, how exciting.

PicknMix...join me in a MASSIVE 'life is shit' (not even bothering with the asterix's (sp?)anymore)Hennessy on the rocks. Are dc's are sadists, making us suffer like this whilst they shang out living it up somewhere . In a perverse 'I shouldn't even say this' way, you did make me smile though. Our despondancy is almost comical now, the 'my body is officiallyshit' comment (and you know I know what you feel like) cracked me up. My body is a joke too, how bl*ody hard is it to have a baby???? Billions of people have done it before.

Caitni,RFN2&3,Ei, GG Hola to you all.

Meant 'our dcs' PnM, see I'm so decrepid I can't even write properly anymore, no wonder my eggs all shrivel up and disappear...

hi ladies
just a quickie to say the funeral went as well as can be hoped for today but DH is a complete mess as am i to be honest but now that we have made it through today in one piece we can try and move forward.
MRSH congrats on the scan results
GG wowzer @ 14 follicles sounds like another full house on the way
xx ei xx