The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

[Bucky2008]

Ahhh, look how nice and clean and new this thread is .

And there is a big ScaryHairy birthday cake for us all to share. I am not being good till after Thursday afterall...

Yay for your DH Picknmix, I am so pleased.
That's one hurdle down and not so many to go!

Re metformin, I am no expert (as you know!) but since I read everything known to man on fertility I have come across it. It's used to treat diabetes and insulin resistance, which is where it comes into treating PCOS.

As I understand it, women with PCOS sometimes have insulin resistance which, I think, leads to hormones being out of whack (too much oestrogen springs to mind) and the metformin straightens it out. I bet if you start a thread asking about it half of Mumsnet will come running!

It's so good you've found a doctor who wants to solve the problem for you. Do you feel relieved to be making progress?

Here you go, Picknmix
Nothing to do with oestrogen but I was more or less right about the rest . Wouldn't it be brilliant if it did the trick?

PnM I'm so happy for you and your DH - what excellent news about his swimmers! Though I'm about PCOS not being ruled out/in before now. Thank god you've come across a knowledgeable and sympathetic doctor [phew emoticon]. I think it's vital for navigating the NHS to have a good doctor. I'm so glad you're making progress, one more step towards getting baby picknmix Starting a thread about Met is a really good idea, I bet there are loads of MNers who'd know about it.

MrsH I love that you share your knowledge about all things fertility related! I think you're right about Metformin - the one friend i have with PCOS has taken it, though she's not actively ttcing, precisely for the insulin resistance. Interesting that the clinic in Brighton has been founded by Lister people - I think it's called Agora. It's only just opened, so no statistics on success, so we're thinking more of Lister/ARGC (my DH is firmly of the opinion that we should go where the results for live births are highest and I agree!). Can you tell I've been googling obsessively? And we don't even have the initial GP app yet! When's your own app and who are you seeing?

PnM again, I'm really happy at the results

Caitni I am going to ACU at UCH. They have, I think, the second highest success rates (joint with the Lister). I don't want to go to ARGC because it all sounds terribly full on. They get a lot of their results by working 24/7 and expect patients to as well, so sometimes you end up going for daily blood tests or scans or whatever and I simply can't fit that in around work right now.

I suggested Agora because the people who have started it are from the Lister so they should be using the same methodology. Plus CGS was suggested to me as a very sympathetic and sensible person with whom to discuss my options. If she hadn't been in Brighton I think I would have gone to see her for our initial discussion about what to do next.

Anyway, I am sure you are sick of hearing this, but you and your DH haven't been trying for that long (though I am sure it seems like it) so get the tests done, but I bet you wind up pg before it comes to IVF...

MrsH I've heard/read v good things about ACU, so hope it goes well for you (and let me know how you get on!). Agree that ARGC sounds a bit full on - they get the results, but I don't know if we could manage it...and I know we've not been trying so long in calendar months, but I'm nearly half way through my 13th cycle which to me is ttc for a year or more (I figure they mean 12 cycles when they say ttc for a year). I definitely don't want to rush into IVF but at the same time, as AF arrives each month and more and more women around me get pregnant, I don't think I can stand too much more of the hopeful bd-ing every month without entirely cracking IYKWIM. We're giving ourselves to the new year, as by then I'll have had nearly 16 cycles. Fingers crossed we get natural BFPs long before that but still getting my head around IVF in the meantime helps me keep the prospect of a baby alive in my thoughts

I know what you mean, Caitni. It feels a lot better to be doing something (anything) than sitting about waiting IME. (Am a control freak, can you tell?)

ooooh ooooh ooooh - just picked up on the acu bit - sorry not read all the threat - I have accupuncture for physio - but she's just done a course & told me all about the behind the scenes testing & results & it sounds really positive - good luck! It's defo worth a try!

That's it exactly! Indulging our inner control freak every now and again is no bad thing

Ok, I;ve finally managed to wrestle the laptop off DH so I can catch up with everything!!

MOB I can't believe you finish down regging this week (check out how down with the fertility lingo I am as well - although I learn it all from you guys so if I make a faux pas then don't laugh - or take offence!) I appreciate you prob dont think its gone all that quickly but it seems to have flown by!! How are the headaches? And did you say you were having mood swings (apologies if not!!)?

Caitni IKWYM re working out your options sooner rather than later... Seems a good plan to me to wait until the New Year, gives you a date to work towards. Hope its a good egg this time and you wont need to get that far though

MrsHappy thank you v much for your explanation - you managed to paraphrase what I was trying to get my head round!! I think it seems to be a positive medication but with little research wrt fertility. Am slightly concerned by the side effects people have encountered though. Will cross that bridge when we get to it I guess! Am cautiously getting excited for you - temp drop and then a rise PLUS heartburn? Will eagerly be awaiting your posts in the coming days!! Understand your retisence (sp?) though, so, as I say, am cautiously excited for you!!

Bucky if you're lurking HI!! Hope all is going well in Buckyland and you're enjoying yourself?!

MTW hope little Freya is settling in and all is going well?

How are our other pregnant ladies?? JB? Mibbes?? Hatty and Abby if you ever pop in - Hello!

JG, to echo the others - tis not the same without you!!! Hope all is well with you and DH at the moment...

R4N2 have my fingers crossed for you!!!

Ei how are you?? What are you up to at the moment?

I'm off to Google some more bits. Have found out the fertility specialist we are being referred to was in charge of my best friend when she was pregnant with my Godson - she suffered pre-eclampsia (hospitilised for 6 weeks before birth and then baby born 8 weeks early!). He's great iirc so feel a bit happier about that.

Now I just have to stop DH crowing about his supersperm - he's talking about giving them a few pep talks as, although there are LOADS of them all in tip top condition, they obviously don't know the way (or, he said, in all ernest, someone has obviously moved the signposts ).

hi ladies
just a quick one to say to PnM im so happy for you and your dh that he got a good result in his SA excellent that you seem to be in good hands with your consultant aswell
hi to everyone else and i will catch up later as DH is researching jobs due the fact that he was made redundant from work and he finishes friday ahh well im sure things will be ok
xx ei xx

First of all - a big, shiny WIMBEWAI(N)F gold star for Mr PnM and his supersperm Is he still strutting around??! PnM I am so, so pleased that things are finally moving forward for you. I feel really excited on your behalf, although angry at the same time, as your tests could have been done whilst waiting for the SA. But sounds like this GP is much better. Do your blood tests need to be done at a specific point in your cycle? Hope you can have them soon and get on this metaformin! I'm still a bit headachy and grumpy, but the worst side effect of the pill is lack of "lubrication" . Can't wait to get off it! Am impressed with you and everyone else being up on the lingo - you probably know far more than i do!!

EI I'm so sorry to hear that your DH is being made redundant. How awful for you all. Is there much around in his line of work? Sending positive vibes for a lovely new job for him.

Sorry, running out of time... got to get to work... will have a proper catch up and mention everyone else later!

MOB XX

Hey all. Still lurking sporadically (sp?). Big up to PicknMix's DP and his supersperm . Hope you are on the road to good things now, it all sounds promising.

Thanks for still thinking of me even though I am only dropping in and out now.

I am still taking it easy here. Thinking that after my December appointment I will turn my attention back to the ttc task in hand.

I miss you guys though....glad you are all keeping well.

xx

Ei I'm so sorry your DH has been made redundant. I know from experience that the uncertainty is hard, but I am sure you will all be ok. Things have a habit of working out for the best in the end, even if they are difficult at the time.

Bucky how nice that you popped in, notwithstanding your hiatus from us all. I'm glad you are well and that "old Bucky" (as in the person you were before ttc took over) is enjoying her outing.

So the last day of the pill is tomorrow then, MOB? I bet you'll be glad to get on with the next phase (although isn't that injections?)?

I am going mad here. I now have sore (.)(.) as well. I know I cannot be pg because I ovulated on my bad side and, yes, I know eggs can travel but I seriously think my left tube is duff (otherwise why didn't the last egg go down it?). Somebody slap me, I am being very stupid. I think I have forgotten that I get symptoms even when I am not pg and so everything gets interpreted as a sign. Oh, and to add insult to injury, one of my scabs is looking bad so I have to see the Dr and get checked. Grrrr.

I've killed the thread

MrsH you're no thread killer! I've just had such a hectic morning that this is the first I've been on MN all day. I don't agree that your left tube is duff just because you ov'd on that side and then had the EP in the other tube btw. The other tube was definitely bad (well, bad enough to have been the site of the first EP iykwim) and that didn't stop an egg from travelling down it. It seems from my reading up that no one's sure why eggs travel from one ovary to the opposite tube (other than when the tube on that side is missing of course) but I've not seen anywhere that says it's because the tube is bad. Now that the duff tube's gone, there's every likelihood that you'll have a BFP and a healthy pregnancy before too long . And sounds like you've got some great symptoms . I know it's early days but I'd love if you were pregnant again - we need some BFPs around here and it would be great if you could start a rush of them!

Ei I'm so sorry to hear about your DH - it must be so stressful. Fingers crossed he finds something soon xx

MOB so last pill today - yay! Hope the, er, dryness stops soon

Bucky glad you're doing well honey - you're off to NYC soon aren't you? Not that I'm or anything...

Hi to everyone else PnM RFN2 JG and all the pregnant ladies (and mums of new babies DigiG and 07MTW )

No real news from me - I'm due to ovulate today and we've been bd-ing every day since Saturday (with more planned for tonight and tomorrow). Off to dinner with some friends tonight and me and DH's plan is to not stay too late so we can head back to Brighton for another shagfest! Hope my temp rises tomorrow so I can start the tww (aka the gradual descent into symptom spotting madness!).
Caitni
xx

Hi all hope you are all well x

Well its 3dpo for me and I am trying not to symptom spot just yet

Its a good job the bding is done for the month because dp and I have fallen out!!
He has bought a new computer monitor for £300 without telling/asking me and I am fuming!
This is the man that is forever telling me we cant afford a meal out but when he wants a new gadget (usually something we already have but an updated and overpriced version!) He suddenly has the money!!]

Keeping my fingers crossed for a few bfps from you all this month

Hello ladies,

Great news about your DH's super sperm P&M . The doctor you saw sounds lovely and much more clued up about fertility than most GPs. I really, really hope that this treatment works and you have to cancel that referral!

bucky Nice to see that you are keeping an eye on us. Miss you.

caitni Your DH sounds very keen! Good luck I hope your egg does go today as that would be very well timed bd'ing.

MOB It sounds like you are going to be pleased to be stopping the pill - it sure sounds uncomfortable. What is the next stage?

ei I'm really sorry to hear about your DH's job. I hope he gets something else sorted soon

MrsH Symptoms are sent to drive the 2ww'er mad! I've got everything crossed for you.

ready How frustrating for you! As you say at least you don't need him for bd'ing at the moment. Men eh?

I hope everything is well with you JG. Get your internet sorted, we miss you and tales of your exciting adventures.

Jollycub and I are fine . I can't believe how quickly the time has gone. It only feels like 5 minutes since I was symptom spotting and I'm 30 weeks on Friday - eek!

Jollybear You're nearly at the finish line! Not far to go until I am a cyber auntie to a cub. Huzzah!

RFN2 it sounds like you ahve timed that argument brilliantly. It's the kind of thing I think, sometimes "I'm pissed off with my DH, but I'll pretend I am not until after the sex" . Twisted? moi?

Caitni If you're reading this and it is not yet Friday you are not doing what you should be. Get back to it woman!

MOB are you happy to be pill free?

Higs to PnM, Lurkingbucky, vanishedJG, Ei and our pregnant ladies.

My left nork huuuurts and I have mild cramps. But really I am being silly; I am not lucky enough to get pregnant with any ease at all. Although someone sent be a box of chocs yesterday, so maybe I am a bit lucky

mrshappy lol at brilliantly timed arguement, I can actually imagine myself biting my tongue over the next few months if he starts during peak bding time

Morning everyone

Bucky good to hear from you. Of course we are still thinking of you! Look forward to hearing of more of your antics

MrsH So many symptoms! I agree with Caitni - no reason to suspect the remaining tube is bad. Also, it's very difficult to know for sure which side you ov on - apparently the pain can often be on the opposite side to the one where the egg is released (don't know why). Just keep on sharing your symptoms with us - and pass round those choc will you?! (Oh, and how are the scabs today?)

Caitni Did your temp rise this morning? If not, keep at it!

RFN2 Have you and DH made up yet? I think he should take you out for a lovely meal to get back in your good books!

JB 30 weeks, wow! It really isn't far off now, is it? I'm really excited for you.

Big hellos to JG (missing you ), PnM, EI, MTW (how's that gorgeous Freya?) Mibbes, hatty

Well, it was the last pill yesterday, so i am now just waiting to have a bit of a bleed over the next few days, then it's my baseline scan on Monday! All being well, i will then start injecting myself after that. It's almost at the IVF "proper" now

Hello Ladies

MOB it's really interesting to read about your IVF process. I have everything crossed that it works out for you and Mr MOB. It's just incredible to think that only 30 years ago none of this technology was considered anything other then highly experimental and now it is positively mainstream!

Higs to the rest of you. Bucky I hope you are all lurking lots even if you don't have much to say

No good news from me. My temp has dipped and I am cramping (10dpo) so I think that my period is on its way (I did a test and got a BFN too). It's not really surprising (I am generally quite sure about which side I ov on - I get cramps for over a day and whenever I have been pregnant and been scanned they've spotted an ovarian cyst on the side on which I thought I ovulated), so I am going to have to look on this month as practice! That doesn't explain why my boobs are so terribly painful, though. Maybe I just have to write down that sore breasts is not a symptom for me so that I remember it next cycle...

MOB great news that you are nearly at the 'proper' IVF bit, how exciting ! I'll be watching with interest

Bucky if you're lurking 'Hi hun' xx

Ei so sorry to hear about your DH's job - {{{big hugs}}} xx

Happy I really hope the dip is an implantation dip and the cramps are stretching pains - fingers crossed for you. I know you are not hopeful but you never know...

I am now 33 weeks - waaahhhh ! Only 3 weeks left to work , it is all getting very real. I'll race you to the finish line JB, I've got a wee headstart

Thanks Mibbes. As you might expect I have done a lot of research on implantation dips this morning and am not too sure they really exist! Although unless my temp bounces back up I will actually have a non-implantation slump on my hands...

I can't believe you are 33 weeks already. How exciting. And how nice to have only 3 weeks to go at work. I bet you can't wait for all that lovely spare time [sigh] (before sprog comes, of course).

RFN2 how annoying about your DH but good thing it didn't happen before ov . I find myself biting my tongue during my fertile days sometimes...the things we do!

MrsH oh the shagfest continues chez caitni, though my temp only rose a little today so hope I'm not late ov'ing this month as don't know how much more bd-ing I can face . I'm with Mibbes - I hope the temp is an implantation dip. I know it sounds trite but it ain't over til AF shows...though know what you mean about the sore (.)(.), I get these every month without fail yet still use them to convince myself I'm pregnant!

Mibbes & JollyBear - god, time is flying! I'm so excited for you both, can't wait to virtually meet your little babies when they show up. I was laughing at the idea of a race to the finish line

MOB hope the baseline scan shows that you can start the injections. I know I keep saying this, but it's so freakin' exciting to be with you (albeit virtually) at this time xx

Ei hope things are going OK with you and your DH xx

PnM is your DH still on cloud nine about his super swimmers?

Hi to Bucky JG 07MTW and everyone else.

I've just had a horrible/annoying experience. Back in Jan, when we'd literally just started ttc-ing, a good but distant friend asked me outright if we were ttc. I said, sheepishly, that we'd just decided to and she was thrilled - we got married within a week of each other and they'd also just decided to ttc. I don't see her hugely often, but have always liked her. So of course she got preggers really quickly (I think she's at the same stage as Mibbes in fact!) and I was just gutted when I found out she was pregnant. I was so envious and upset, as I got the news the day my AF arrived (when I had truly convinced myself that I was pregnant at last). It was horrible timing (also had to take a law exam that day - I still shudder at the memory!). Twas the reason I joined MN in fact, I needed some support from someone other than my DH. Anyway, a few of us are trying to arrange a time to meet up over email and I've been so bad, I just don't really want to see her all pregnant and happy, like a totally visible reminder that no, I'm not in fact pregnant yet . So I avoid responding for a few days, then email with a spurious reason for the delay. I specifically say to her that time's been flying for me, so I bet it's even worse for her. So she only bloody replies all and says "aha! By your cryptic message I bet you're pregnant!!".

I was so mortified, had to do a "gosh no, no bun in the oven here ha ha" type response, as really don't want to get into it with that group of friends. She then emails back, again to everyone, saying "ah well, am sure you will be soon but I must tell you pregnancy is rubbish" with a list of all her ailments (some of which do sound terrible, in fairness to her). Gah! I know I'm ranting but I am a) so annoyed she's been so indiscreet in front that the 5 other women on that email thread and b) so jealous of her that it makes me feel like a terrible person...OK, rant over!

Sorry for the mega post btw. Just wanted to add that I don't want any of our graduates to think I harbour dark thoughts against all pregnant ladies! Far from it (mostly - must admit to being of all those "oh he just has to look at me and bam, I'm pregnant!" types! Which is tricky as it's what my own mum is like...I'm not kidding btw - she had 11 pregnancies - 6 children, 5 M/Cs - in less than 10 years - that'll be Catholic Ireland in the 70s for you!). It's just this woman in particular and just because, in my mind, it's so wrapped up with my own feelings about not conceiving yet.

MrsH the chart gallery on FF makes for a pretty convincing argument that implantation dips can happen, but I know that's probably pretty anecdotal all the same. I'm still keeping my fingers firmly crossed for you xx