Assisted Conception and the bits inbetween

[soosy]

Welcome to the new thread I only hope I can link it to the old one

hey sooty - good to hear from you. Flibberty they were only 3 day embies so they're only 6 days to day so I'm thinking that's a bit too soon for them to have implanted or not? feels like period pain but a bit stabby sometimes too...I hate all this symptom spotting!

Hi everyone, fingers crossed for you all.
Mowmi, your puppy sounds divine, don't forget sunglasses and a hat when you are dressing him up.
Lottie, hope you are feeling OK.

Lottie-how are you this morning? I've been thinking about you.
I've been awake since half four. Soo much going round in my head. I could cry because I'm so tired. Is this a side effect or am I just too het up? God only knows what I'll be like on my 2ww!
I did the second of the unknown tests last night and there were two lines again. I just haven't had a spare second to get to Boots. My DS's broke up last Thursday and we've been away. I will race there this morning before my acupuncture and try and get to the bottom of the mystery. I just really don't think I'm pregnant though so not too concerned tbh.
Hope you all have a good day

Morning gorgeous ladies..
How are you all?
Mowmi - hmm - not sure, I know the clinic told me that 5 day old embies can start burrowing the same day they are transferred and then up to 3-5 days later. frustrating isn't it? What are you doing for 2ww avoidance today?

Spook - I hope the acupuncture helps. The nasal spray, as with any of these darn hormones can produce horrid sideeffects - hope you can get two tests when you are out and find out either way? good luck.

LL - how are you feeling this am? How is the bleeding? I woke up at 5.30 this morning too and was immediately thinking of you and wondering how things were down below.

Not sure what to do today, I thought about going up to london, but now cannot be bothered. I have got a lot of AF like pains this morning. so am just going to take the dog for a walk round the local field, feed the rescue ponies and hug the local oak tree

it's mental isn't it! I'm not overly worried as I've had these pains to some extent all along... might be repairing from EC. Certainly had them too early for it to be an out right fail as they started before the embies were old enough to implant. I'm off to Tunbridge Wells to have lunch with a client (good job I have a cough which I can say I'm on antibiotics for as an excuse for not drinking!) and going to do a bit of shopping. No doubt will come back and hit the zita west relaxation cd!

Spook - you poor thing - try and take it easy.

How you doing flibberty? and you LL - has it progressed?
x

Hi everyone, it seems very frenzied on here, not surprisingly, I hope that everyone gets the outcome hoped for.
Lottie, please don't stop taking the progesterone. What if the bleeding is from one of the embryos not taking, but the other one has? I think you should keep taking it , just in case. I would be absolutely gutted if I were you now, not knowing either way, but you don't know for sure even with the temp.
Did you take the temp when you woke up?
I can never remember to do that, but that's the way isn't it, to be sure!
I'm still hopeful for you. [looks for banana back-flipping emoticon and fails to find one]
I hope the tree hugging helped Flibberty, it is windy where you are? It is a very odd day today here.

LL - don't stop taking the progesterone!!! your temp can go down with pregnancy, it is well known to do that.... Estrogen causes it to come down and then the progesterone takes over and causes hot flushes. You have 3 more days left. I know you probably want to get over this and move on. but 3 more days wont hurt either way.

Have to admit i couldn't have existed without the internet. I spent my life on babycentre first time around and have made so many amazing friends from all walks of life as a result. T'internet is great!!

have a good day ladies
xxxx

I'm not surprised you feel so fed-up Lottie, waiting around is so annoying. It can't be made any easier that you are having to take loads of hormones, which is bound to make you feel like a crazy woman.
Flibberty, did you go to meet-ups? I used to think 'no way' about meet-ups when I first joined MN, but have recently been looking at the meet-ups thinking, hmm, could be fun.
My DS is at nursery and the mums there are lovely, but it's not always easy to 'break in' when a lot of people have younger children and disappear off to toddler groups in the morning.

Hey girls. I've just been for a walk in the woods with the DS's and dogs and I am now officially knackered! I think I'll put them a DVD on and try and have a little snooze on the sofa.
I completely zonked out in my acupuncture this morning. I woke up and really didn't know where I was!
I called into Boots and they were definately OPK's. I'm actually relieved. The thought of being pregnant and losing it and having to postpone the IVF again just fills me with horror. At least this way I can completely concentrate on the job in hand-IVF has been on the cards for so long I feel its the only way for a successful pregnancy now iyswIm?? Not sure even I know what I mean actually so I'm pretty sure you don't!
Lottie-I back up what everyone else says. Please don't stop taking the progesterone. Theres always a hope....hows everything??
Did you hug your oak Flibberty??
Mowmi, I hope you had a nice lunch and the pains have died down a bit. Tell me about the Zita West relaxation CD? Does it really help? Might have to get it, especially if I have another night like the last one!

Spook, I did wonder about that. When I do an OPK, I quite often get an almost positive later in my cycle. I think the LH (is that right) fluctuates throughout the cycle.
Funnily enough I did one today because we are on day 14 and got a negative, which probably means I have already had the surge or means it's burst.
Acupuncture seems really good for relaxing people. One of my friends at work is doing reflexology on me, but I don't find it makes me sleep, mind you, only the first session so far.

spook yes I hugged both oaks and fed the horses. They were very grateful. I was also kernackered after my walk and breathless FGS, I feel as unfit as hell today. Glad the acupuncture went well I have a session tomorrow and can't wait. I hope I zonk out.

RB -- hopefully the reflexology will get you relaxed soon. I haven't been to MN meet ups. Only the BC ones from my birthboard. but they are great. The gals know so much about me, probably too much and we generally have a huge laugh whilst trying to keep children entertained.

I called my clinic today to double check whether its the progesterone causing the kidney stones. they don't think so. But it is weird I had one when pg with my DD and now when going through IVF and all the hormones.

i have had a lot of pain with my kidneys and bladder today, i hope to god it isn't going to come back. I have been drinking lots of water and cranberry juice and haven't done much of anything else.

just waiting for DH to cook a lamb cous cous - he is french so is pretty good in the kitchen. I am starving. i had some packet MISO soup earlier and it has given me so much trapped wind I think I could power the UK. It is very uncomfortable!

Day 8 Post Transfer.... I feel like crap, I look like crap.. I can't be arsed to finish my xmas shopping... Bah humbug . I have to cook for 10 blooming people on crimbo day. now I wish they would all stay at home!

Have been feeling pukey this morning, but think it was probably down to the very late meal I ate last night. Bleuurgh.

My butt has grown corners from the progesterone injections. It is so sore, I forgot how much the things hurt. I can't wear my jeans cos they rub on my hips.

So how is everyone.... sorry I am on here so much, I find it cathartic to chat online.

LL - how are you my sweet?
Mowmi - How are you feeling too?
RB, Soosy, Sooty and everyone else I have forgotten? - hope you are all ok?

Ok, so the question of the day is? Sausagemeat or sage, onion and breadcrumb stuffing for the turkey?? --- anyone?? - we are going to put in chesnuts and dates and other things, but I cannot decide whether or not to go sausage or breadcrumbs.

What is everyone up to today?
I am going to the doctor this morning to see if they can sign me off work for the remainder of the week.

i have acupuncture this afternoon - thank god.

My mum is coming up to go on a florist course and will stay the night. so we can have a girly night in. Mamma Mia will be on the DVD, but fizzy apple juice on ice LOL. She actually doesn't come to see me anymore, she comes to see her grand daughter.

She went on a christmas wreath course last week and we now have a monster of a wreath on our door. Lord knows what will materialise this afternoon.

right I better go and do something in RL. Have a great day all xxxx

Hello Flibberty. Don't apologise for being on here so much!! Mumsnet has been a lifesaver for me in the past. sorry you're feeling so bloody rotten. There is an end in sight now. Hang on in there!! I really hope you've seen the last of the kidney stones. Ouch.
I feel like a bloody zombie today. I slept better last night but really feel like I have jetlag and now I have a rotten cold too. My nose is streaming so I hope the Synarel is going where it should be.
Mowmi-I hope your pains are better today.
Lottie-how are you sweetie. Not heard from you since yesterday morning...
RB-I'm sure the reflexology will help to relax you. Probably feel it working soon.
Right-I'm off to the beach now with boys and dogs to blow some of these cobwebs away...
Oh and Flibberty-I think sage and onion!!

Hi Flibberty and Spook, I'm full of spots! don't want to speak too soon but think they might have eased off a bit?! If it's any use - think I look like crap too.
Just about to go and have a fight with the dog over a piece of wrapping paper he's just stolen...how much mess can a piece of paper and 1 puppy make?!
Spook I'm finding the CD really relaxing - to be honest I don't think I've got through it with out nodding off! I'm not very good at the whole focus your energy and visualise malarky but this makes me feel like I'm doing nothing but thinking about what's happening in a positive way for half an hour 20 mins depending on which one I do. There are 3 different versions on the CD - one to relax you before collection (i think) the 2 i've been doing are post transfer and 2ww. I know it's naughty but I could do you a copy?

I like sausagemeat by the way....
LL hope you're doing ok x

Sausage Flibberty!
Can you put in a bit of bread too?
That sounds like good news: all the looking like crap, that's the way you should be looking if this IVF is going to work.
I'm not sure what my excuse is since I haven't actually started IVF yet.
Lottie, are you OK sweetie? Worried about you now.
I'm probably being thick, but which CD is it you are listening to. I definitely need something like that.

Hi have been lurking away following peoples progress and thinking of you all.

LL sorry it is not looking hopefully but you must keep taking the progesterone until your test day, just in case and wait for your test result. My clinic were really adamant about that.

Also what we went for our follow up I found out that for my next cycle (which will be partially assisted using frosties) I would need to take double the progesterone dose, which is 4 pessaries vaginally a day or 8 rectally. I said for goodness sake has no one found an injection version of this. An lo it appears you CAN inject progesterone. Hooray hooray I said, as personally needles was no problem but the pessaries make me feel sick.

Thinking of you all.

Lottie, I'm so sorry this wasn't your turn. Please take your own great advice and pamper yourself. It looked absolutely textbook from my perspective, so just not to be and nobody's fault.
Big big hugs to you. So sorry.
At least you get a free go on the NHS, so more money for pampering.

Lottie - so sorry. I have been trying to post all week since you started bleeding, but everything I have to say seems so trite. Can only hope that you and DH look after each other and manage to enjoy some parts of Christmas.

I know that for me all the consolations (I can eat and drink whatever I like!) started to pall after 3 years of repeating.

It does just sound like a matter of numbers as you say - everything went well, and I will one of many with everything crossed for you when you have another try. Still plenty of time for a baby by Christmas 2009.

As for everyone else feeling like crap in the 2ww. I hope it is a sign of something good and you continue to look and feel like crap as you drag yourselves through the first trimester.

Oh Lottie. I am so so sorry sweetheart. Life can be immeasurably shit sometimes can't it? Be kind to yourself through Christmas and try and have some lovely times with DH. Then look ahead to 2009 as being your year. As rattling said theres plenty of time for a baby by next Christmas.

Mowmi-it would be absolutely fab if you could burn me a copy of Zita off. Ofcourse I'll reimburse you for the CDs and postage. You're a star I'll CAT you my address.
I'm glad the pains have eased off a bit but sorry about your face full of spots!

Flibberty-looks like I'm outnumbered on the sausage front. I'm just about to make my stuffing (Nigellas Chestnut btw!)
to put in the freezer. I must say my earlier enthusiasm for all the entertaining we're doing over Christmas has waned somewhat.
I had a gorgeous blowy time on the beach rolling down the sand dunes but as soon as we got back in the car my nose started dripping again. God knows how I'm supposed to get drugs up there

Lottie, I'm so sorry, life really can be so shit. I know how low you must be feeling right now. When ours failed I texted everyone to say it had't worked, I was ok but needed a bit of space and would be in touch soon - that way I didn't feel the need to deal with them feeling sorry for me until I was stronger. Book yourself in somewhere and have some serious oiling and rubbing (at a spa somewhere of course!) hope you and DP get to enjoy some of the joy of Christmas .

Feeling a bit crap, have the same cramps (they're back) and feelings as last time...knicker / tissue checking now (sorry tmi). It's so crap... just got the bus back from Reigate and it was full of schoolgirls - in the middle was a slightly older girls 15-16 ish with a little girl (her child) she was sat there swearing her head off (c word etc...) regailing stories of when the she and the child were pissed! It's so unfair - what chance has that child got - we're all desperate and that little minx is dragging up some poor child when she's only a child herself - sorry not really sure of what my point is it just makes me angry!!

It's the Zita West CD we're talking about RB - happy to burn you one too? Spook what's CAT?

X

Oh Mowmi. I know what you mean about feeling life's unfair. DH is a pharmacist and he sees addicts all the time who are pregnant and have babies. Not to say that they shouldn't have children ofcourse but it just seems so unfair that people put their bodies through all that and still manage to conceive easily, whilst we do all this.
I'm sorry you're feeling so crap. The knicker checking must become almost obsessive. I've been there many a time
What date is your test? Every day that passes is a day nearer.
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My bloody cold has really kicked in now. I feel really rubbish and have so much to do. Gggrr.

LL really sorry to hear your news.

Sending you warm thoughts.

Glasto xx