Assisted Conception and the bits inbetween

[soosy]

Welcome to the new thread I only hope I can link it to the old one

mowmi
It might still be OK. I have a friend who was bleeding loads, but was still pregnant. But I guess you know your body best.

Am thinking of you. I would go home if I were you with a "stomach bug" that you don't want to spread to the rest of the office.

I've just been for a quick walk with my friend and I've realised it's probably too early to be AF? Retrieval was only 2 weeks this coming friday? so it would be really early? but also too late to be inplant. bleed? So not sure what's going on? Going to text my accupucture lady who is the font of all knowledge!
Thanks ladies x

Nappy, yes, I think once we get back from our hols at the end of September we will be investigating the option of DH being looked at privately. His health insurance won't cover him for investigations into infertility as he's only been with them for a year, and their policy says 3 years cover is required.

Lottie, you're spot on there. We need to know if DH is suitable for the PESA/TESA procedure (fingers very tightly crossed that he is!!!). Like you, I'm foggy about their full names but I have an idea of what the procedures involve and I know that they are slightly different in that they concentrate on different areas of his dingly danglies. I think I'll email Norway this week so I have something to mull over while we're away. It's odd, we've had so many trips away since DH was diagnosed as Azoospermic. It does help to get away, but I find that as soon as we're back home my mood sinks again and it's all I can think about. The days are going very slowly.

Mowmi . ((((((mowmi))))))

Ooooh Mowmi, just read your last message. Hopeful!

Lots of hugs Mowmi .

Hello! Can i join you ladies please?

We are about to embark on IVF, and so I thought it was about time to pop over and introduce myself. (Not new to MN, though, I have been on the same 2ww thread as Bucky for some time now)

I'll tell you a little bit about myself, but i'll try not to waffle on and bore you all

I am 38, 2 DC (10 & 11) with late DH. Now with lovely new DH (51) and been ttc for just over a year. We had an inkling something wasn't right, and DH had a SA, which came back as very, very poor. Obviously rather a shock. We initially decided that we would not consider IVF, but of course, once we realised that this would be our only option, we changed our minds, as there was no way we could consider just stopping ttc at this stage. Our PCT will not fund any treatment at all as i have DC. We have therefore found a lovely clinic near us, and went to see the consultant last week. He was really positive and has suggested ivf with icsi. I had a day 3 blood test as i happened to be at that point in my cycle, and i was SO nervous waiting for the results of that. However it came badk as 7.5, which i was really pleased about, so it's all systems go! We have an appt with the nurse this friday, to go through all the drugs, how to administer them, etc. We hope to start at the beginning of my next cycle, which should be the end of this month. It's a long time since i've been looking forward to getting my period so much!!

Well, i hope i haven't waffled on too long. I look forward to getting to know you all, and sharing this journey with you.

I haven't read back through much of the thread (I will try and make time) but just wanted to say - mowmi hope the bleeding is not your period. Fingers crossed for you.

Mowmi hope you are feeling more positive now. FWIW, I think implantation bleeds aren't just limited to a specific day they are allowed to happen - if you think about it, when the embryo first implants, it will bind to a tiny bit of your womb lining, then as it grows, the attachment will need to grow and expand as well. If at any stage a blood vessel is hit, then you may have bleeding, but this need not necessarily been on the day earmarked for implantation bleeding. So, chin up, roll test date.

Madoldbird welcome. You and I may be cycling together, as I should start downregging mid month. Whereabouts (roughly) are you based?

Hi OAP. I am in Kent. What's downregging? (Sorry, i'll probably be a bit more clued up on all the terms once we've seen the nurse)

Downregging is the bit at the beginning of IVF when you take drugs (injecting or taking the pill or sniffing drugs, such a variety of methods!) to turn your ovaries off. This is so that later on when they put a rocket under your ovaries all developing eggs will be at the same stage (in theory), and so you will fit with your clinic's scheduling. Lasts from 2-5 weeks ish, depending on you and the clinic.

soosy meant to ask how the whole housemoving/renting thing is working out. How is your DS coping with the change? Moving in the rain is just lovely, isn't it!

Hope everyone else is well, and not too wet

Hi MadOldbird welcome aboard the good ship "Stick Another Needle in Me"...Thanks for the potted history.

As for the various questions on day or night injections, the burselin was at night because we were supposed to start them yesterday, but had to wait 'til been to clinic. We have to do all our injections in the morning, except the trigger injection which is in the evening.

hey ho.

off for a girls night out.

Mowmi - Could be an implantation bleed hang on in there

Hi OAP good to hear from you, the actual move has been really good. Selling our house has been diabolical. Our buyer rang the evening after he was supposed to complete and said he didn't have any money! We are at the the end of our notice to complete tomorrow and the buyer says he is in a position to complete tomorrow so we'll find out whether we are staying in here or moving back to london. DS has started school here, but may have to go back to his old one in London (have contacted his old headmistress who says there is a place for him.) I have to say not the best experience. DS has coped really well so far, but we have had to explain we might have to go back to London, so not exactly settled, but he has surprised me!

Hello Madoldbird, you don't sound so old to me, wishing you lots of luck, we have much experience between us on this thread so feel free to ask anything.

Mowmi hope you are ok.

NappyValley, I love a girls night out have a great time. strange about injections I had to do them after clinic appointments which are always am so were told to do them pm.

Love to you all

Sx

Hi Ladies,

It's not looking good I'm afraid. Bleeding is starting to look very much like AF, did a test this morning and it was BFN so Saturday looks like nothing more than confirmation.

I'm feeling stronger than I thought I would, to be honest I've been through so much in the last 2 years (Lost both Sister and Mum + DH's cancer)I think I'm getting quite good at dealing with lifes blows!

Someone has to turn this thread around so I'm handing the batton on to Onionlove, nomore and Rah for now.

I'm on holiday from tomorrow so I'll check where you are all up to when I get back.

Thanks for all you digital support

x

mowmi, so sorry to hear the cycle didn't work this time . Sending cyber hugs. Sounds like you have been through so much in the last 2 yrs. I hope you are able to enjoy your holiday and come back feeling refreshed as far as is possible.

Tc.

mowmi huge hugs. Have a relaxing holiday and rest. You are clearly one of life's strong people, the race is not run yet!

soosy wow guess different places do different things. My clinic definitely says the puregon injections must be done before at 11am, so they like you to do the burselin ones in the morning so you are into the routine of it I think. Maybe it depends on which drugs you use??

Did anyone else realise that I refered to me injections as "we have to take" WHO AM I KIDDING. When are they going to do the research into drugs that improve sperm so that the boys can be pin-cushions for a change!!!!

((((mowmi)))))

HI all, so sorry Mowmi that you were unlucky this time . . .
I went to an appointment with Dr Nargund at Create yesterday. It was quite interesting as she was quite critical of the protocol I was on at the NHS and has raised a few questions in my mind as to the next direction. I think my NHS Doctors are open minded enough to take on her suggestions for my last funded round . . . I shall see.

Feeling a little bit more positive as a result, but still struggling with being taken from the 'probably will happen' pile to the 'probably won't'.

Hi all

Mowmi... sending you big hugs and lots of love. Have a lovely holiday and plenty of relaxing time.

We have just come back from Italy and returned Wed 3rd of Sept. My husband had a really bad sore throat just before we left, but by the time we hit England it had rapidly turned into his throat swelling. By the time we hit Leamington Spa I drove him straight to the hospital and it turned out he had a bacteria that attacked his Epiglottis. So a night in A&E followed by a stay in hospital he now has two weeks off work and driving me crazy. But it can be fatal if not treated and has a rapid on set, so I and of course him, were very lucky.

I hope everyone is OK.

Catch you later XX

Mowmi so sorry to hear things aren't working out after all the hopes. Looking forward to speaking to you on your return from holiday

Soosy your buyer sounds like a nightmare - I really feel for you. What is the state of play at the moment?

RahRah , goodness how scary for you, and such a good thing you went to hospital as soon as you did. Hope your DH is feeling better now

Sooty interesting that the private consultant was critical of the NHS protocols - did you think it was due to the NHS having a "one size fits all" protocol, or was it just out of date? How do you feel about your upcoming cycle now?

I've started downregging now, so here we go again...my DH commented that he gets a few days paid leave over a rolling 2 year period from his job for assisted conception, but we seem to have used it up already just this year (third cycle approaching), which wasn't the most helpful thing he has said. Made me feel downhearted and as though surely I should be pregnant by now. Still, we're on holiday from Friday for a week, so time will pass really quickly (I hope) as I hope to have my baseline scan 16 Oct.

How is everyone else?

Glad to hear you are downregging OAP, this thread seems to have a lot of speculative IVF's but not so many experiencing it - I am one of them too at the moment - but maybe I am reading it wrong. Somehow starting a new cycle is in itself positive.

I think Dr Nargund was critical of the NHS in both regards: the one-size fits all approach of the first cycle and the use of a flash protocol. She suggested that the NHS should have not tried to take control of my cycle at my age but to work with my natural hormones. I am hoping they will do this, it was a bit unclear at my last meeting but I will email my Dr and ask him if I can start injecting GONAL on D1/D2 of my natural cycle. He seemed to think downregging on the pill made no difference, but Nagund was quite adamant on this point. I wonder also if it isn't a bit of Dr Vanity - I can do better? We shall see.

I am feeling a bit more positive about this cycle now, but I know that I have had quite a shift in thinking - my mind is turning over my post IVF options - which were on the backburner before. But maybe that's good, I am such an optimist and I always think I'll get there in the end so perhaps it is better to be realistic (it was this type of thinking that keep me hanging onto trying naturally and losing time . .. ).

If you're still checking in Mowmi, still thinking of you

Hi ladies

Thanks for the welcome last week

mowmi So sorry to hear that the cycle was not successful. Take care of yourself, and hope that you are having a good holiday despite everything.

OAP I have my baseline scan on 20th Oct, so i guess we will be growing eggs at a similar time!

soosy sounds like you are having a really difficult time with the moving etc

sooty that appt you had last week sounds like it was very seful and given you a lot of food for thought.

Well, we had the appt with the nurse last friday. I will start the pill (seems so weird) at the beginning of my next period, which is in approx 2 weeks. As i mentioned i then have a baseline scan booked for 20th oct, and will start the injecting lark after that! i have to say i felt completely overwhelmed after that appt, i think the reality of what we are about to do finally hit home. I think DH was worried that i was having second thoughts, but i tried to explain to him that i didn't, but that it all seems very daunting. We have now told a few very close friends and immediate family, which feels strange, but good at the same time. Anyhow, now we are officially going to go through this, and will be starting soon, i think i will be hanging around here a fair bit! I look forward to getting to know you all.

We did it, we completed at the end of last week and we have unpacked, DS has been fab, loves his new school and hopefully soon I shall make some friends.

Mowmi Sorry to hear your news have a lovely holiday.

Sooty, good to hear you had a positive appointment at create. I do same protocol, but start hormone injections on d2 or d3 of cycle and then cetrotide injections when follicles get to about 15mm. It is much less stressful and at least you feel like yourself as the cycle is as normal as it can be with IVF!

OAP and Madoldbird. Good Luck with the downregging. I am sorry your DH has used all his Assisted Conception days off. DH takes holiday can't imagine his company would do anything so generous as giving extra days off1

How's it going Nappyvalley?

Rah Rah sorry to hear about your DH, I hope he is better now, how frightening.

S x

Oh thats fantastic soosy that you have completed and all is OK now. Such a horrible time worrying about moving etc - I speak as one who is awake between 1 and 4 am regularly, especially when property is concerned!

Have cheated and booked all my scans before being given the schedule by the clinic - only to find I had been beaten to it and the early scan times have all gone already! Nothing before 10am.....and I was hoping to be in and gone by 9.15 to make it easier for DH and childcare.

Must go and start holiday packing - wellies, waterproofs, umbrellas......

Hi guys..

Husband is virtually recovered thanks and should be back at work next week.

Well we had some more news, I have been taking my nasal spray from the 28th August and was waiting for my bleed before my baseline scan. Well I felt really strange and since I was the queen of testing thought I would test and low and behold I got a positive. The clinic are being very cautious and made me take another test yesterday and have booked me in for a scan next wed to access viability. I think they have a tendency to be negative. So my IVF is officially on hold and hopefully we are pregnant. So keeping quite quiet about the whole thing until we know that the drugs have not done any damage. Anyone heard of anyone else getting pregnant whilst on their nasals for IVF? We are also very cautious due to our last pregnancy ending at 24 weeks.... so I am being a nightmare already.
Its really weird but the last time we got pregnant we had been trying with the clinic 18 months and managed to had a lap and dye when I was pregnant as it showed up a BFN and now got pregnant whilst on my IVF drugs... I must have to be having some treatment that makes my brain think I can't get pregnant to let me get pregnant... or am I just weird?? all very strange.

hope everyone is ok and all meds, treatments and scans are going well.

much love to everyone xx

Fingers crossed for you RahRah, you must be so nervous. It would be great if everything was fine though and you could forget about the IVF .

I have been hiding out as I have been scared of booking my IVF consultation . I checked out the flights to Hargesund (sp?) and they are on a Tuesday/Thurs and Sun which means a long weekend is not an option. I know this is hardly an excuse for delaying treatment, but it got me stressed before I actually got to the stressful part . I have decided to wait until January. My NHS consultation is at the beginning of December and I am in New York in October, so that would only really leave November and potentially drug taking over Christmas .

I am very interested to know how you all get on in the meantime. Keeping all my fingers and toes crossed!

RahRah - fingers crossed for you. I'm sure all will be fine, but will hold off on the congratulations just yet, until you are sure next week. Very exciting news anyway!

I have heard of people getting pregnant during downregging - you might want to try asking on the Fertility Friends website, as more people may be able to help you there.