2ww and the bit in between. BFP's we're waiting!

[Bucky2008]

Maybe a nice shiny new thread will get us all enthusiastic again. I am on my rubbish diet so I only have nuts and beans to put out on the table. Oh and gin of course ;o) Anyone got any cakes to tempt me with?

Ding ding....let's...go

Do you think I have gone a bit mad

Hello ladies

PnM thank you for sharing your chart - unfortunately i don't have any real words of wisdom, apart from agreeing with FF in saying that you don't appear to have ov'd. Don't worry too much about low temps, they look pretty usual for pre-ov ones. Keep looking out for more EMCM, and any kind of pre-ov dip. It's your appt tomorrow isn't it? Hope it goes well, will be thinking of you.

Shreks wow - i can't believe you will be going so far for so long! Does that count as a really long holiday or as emmigration? How exciting. Here's hoping that you get pregnant at the most inconvenient time!! (IYSWIM)

Bucky Don't think i am talking to you anymore... am so of you being the same weight as you were when you were 18!

Bucky grrr at you being superslim Jim ! I really really hope the op clears you out and you have a wee beany snuggling in there soon
Jollybear Long time no 'see' missus ! Sorry you are still being sick but hurray for successful scan !
MOB get busy lady - good luck !
Big hug to GG, your turn will come soon lady.
shreks lucky you going to Oz - I have been twice for about 5 weeks each time and loved every minute of it ! I so hope the beany is created at the most inopportune moment
Waves to everyone else

hi ladies
thanks for the jokes they did make me chuckle i am feeling ok about things now (that may change depending on what the doc says tomorrow night) and i am trying to feel more positive about things i am on a health kick at the mo aswell as i am doing the race for life in 2 weeks 5k it is and it will prob kill me as i am so unfit!! but hey ho im sure the pilates will help me a teeny tiny bit!!
hope everyone else is doing well sorry about the me me me post i will try and catch up properly later
xx ei xx

Good luck at the GP tomorrow Ei Bucky get your skinny bum over here, I've got super fattening cupcakes for you.

Hope you're not on MN tonight, MOB!

I hope you stop feeling sick again soon Jollybear

Wow GG, wouldn't it be amazing if those giant boobs are pregnancy-related? Welcome back, it sounds like you had a lovely time. You'd better start planning another one now!

No news here, CD3 or possibly 4, depending on whether I count the wee bit of spotting last Fri - does anyone know which is Day 1? Just waiting for the egg to come out, which I suspect willbe around CD16. My cycle seems to have shortened since the EP, which I think might be because my period has also shortened. I just hope that a short period doesn't impact on fertility...

Hello to the rest of you, Picknmix, shreksmissus, Caitni and anyone I have missed by mistake.

Mibbes lovely to hear from you! How are you, pregnant lady?

SH I think CD1 is the first day of "proper" bleeding, IIRC. Keep an eye out for EWCM - just in case ov is early & takes you by surprise! Are you going to temp again?

EI thinking of you today with your gp appt. Hope it goes ok and you get some answers (or start the process for getting some answers)

PnM It's your appt today, isn't it? Thinking of you as well. It's a big step. Am with you all the way in thought!

Hello to everyone else

Am ashamed to say it, but DH and i have not done anything that it even remotely likely to conceive a baby! Far too tired last night. (Pathetic, i know)
Have changed GP recently (so DH & i are at the same one) and have a "new patient" appt & smear booked with the nurse on thursday. Think i will mention TTC while i'm there. DH has his GP appt on the same day, to discuss getting a test done.

Afternoon all,

Great to have you back GG - sounds like you?ve had a very fabulous time away, my friend went to Rick Steins and loved it, am very ! Enormous bosoms are surely a very good symptom and I now have all limbs crossed for you! Hope returning to work wasn?t too horrible for you

How was your weekend Bucky? I?m still clinging on to the thought that yours and my BFP babies are shanging out somewhere together (with GGs, SHs, EIs, MOBs, Caitnis and Shreks aswell obviously !) so that we can all graduate together and have a 2ww thread in Antenatal?.. Yes, that is what I am telling myself.

Sounds like you had a tiring but lovely time away in Dublin Caitni - good to hear you felt so excited about ttc at the park! Not sure that you need to be worried about ov?ing early, just if your LP is short (which, if you ov on cd11 and then your cycle is 23 days means your LP is 12 days which is fine)

JB thanks for popping in and updating us, 12 weeks already ()?? Time (for me, prob not for you ) has gone so quickly! I really hope the 12 week stage heralds the return of normality for you and the sickness stays away. So pleased Jollycub is fit and healthy though!!

Lovely to ?see? you to Mibbes! Hope all is well with you?

How?s the marking going Abby?

Tut tut MOB - get thee to bed tonight!! (tiredness is not really a pathetic excuse, think its important to actually want to have sex, not just ?do it? for ttc sake!!)

Ei you are so strong, I am very impressed by your positive attitude. Let us know how you get on at the Docs this afternoon xx

Scary - CD1 is def the 1st day you would have to use a tampon (or equivalent). Although, as long as you stick to the same ruling each cycle, I guess it doesn?t really matter which day you count as CD1?.

Oh, meant to say as well that my Dr?s appt went okish. I am now booked in to have a thyroid blood test, day2 and day21 blood tests ? although she said nothing about the fact that I have been spotting for 10 days now. She worked out what day I should get the day21 test on based on a 28 day cycle (and also assumed that the 1st day of spotting was the 1st day of this cycle ). I shall book the day21 in myself so that I can get it right though. She said she thinks it?s very likely that I?m ?just? not ovulating.

I don?t know what else I was expecting TBH. I think I?m just so worked up about it all I want answers now!! My DH suggested we go private ? considering we?re p*ss poor this isn?t really an option but it?s nice to think he?s 100% behind us and our desire for children.

picknmix - was checking up to see how your appointment had gone. I was thinking of you as I know what a big moment it feels when you first take the plunge and speak to someone other than us or your DH about TTC . I'm really glad to hear the appointment went ok for you and you have a nice and friendly GP. After all the sorry tales posted on here of unsympathetic doctors, it's great you feel you have someone solid behind you. As for going private, we have been really pleased with how quickly and smoothly the NHS process has gone - and that's in London which always seems to get the worst NHS reports. I know medical and assisted conception standards vary wildly across the country, we've had a positive experience. It can be a conveyerbelt and quite chaotic (waiting rooms like the Black Hole of Calcutta, not much in the way of personal service or time to answer questions) it has been very slick and comprehansive, so i'd recommend it. We could have gone private for all the tests under our work medical insurance, but our GP recommended sticking with the NHS because there was very little waiting time and it won't cover you for any form of IVF (which we were pretty sure even then, would be the final destination for us).

Scary - are you now officially allowed to TTC again this cycle? If only the enormous bosoms were a PG related sign. I am certainly quite hormonal this month, but i suspect as DH so kindly put it, my ever expanding breasts are due to "getting fat round there". Oh yeah, he's a real charmer, my DH . Ha, I have already started planning my next holiday as Little Miss Traveller . I suppose the upside of not having DCs is that I can b*gger off to Borneo with nothing but a sleeping bag, a copy of Ray Mears Jungle Survival Guide and a two week supply of malaria pills . Next stop Malaysia at the end of August, woooo hooo!

jollybear my poor old bear. I am so about your hyperemesis and what rotten time you are having. Have the doctors indictaed whether this rediculous sickness will pass after the 12 week milestone? Are you able to go to work at all?

Bucky - where are you m'dear?! I was telling DH about Finn and Molly on holiday and he is very jealous of you. DH loves dogs and had a German Shepherd when he was younger and sounds like Huckleberry Finn decribing his carefree summers yomping through fields and dales with his faithful friend

MOB - that's great news that your DH is going to get an appointment to see if there is an issue with hsi swimmers. Wishing him lots of luck and that his results look fine. IT's a big thing for a man to admit there may be a problem and your DH sound slike a one-in-a-million . Don't worry about being too tired - happens to us all and we are not BD-ing machines when shattered.

hello to mibbes and the other PG ladies who pop in. Digital and digiwriggler too if they are around .

Ei - I need a motivation factor like a 5k run. I am practically desk bound at the moment. Good luck at the doctors.

caitni - you sound like you had a lovely time in sunny Dublin. My dad lives there now, so I get to go quite a lot and usually spend the whole weekend p*ssed as a newt

It's CD27 for me with my usually clockwork 28 day cycle, so I have been to the loo 15 times today for knicker watching purposes, but so far nothing . I am getting slight cramps, nothing yet. I bet tomorrow AF arrives though in spite of my current Sam Fox look .. had a bit of a moment when lovely girl in my office who got married at the same time as me announced she was 3 months pregnant AFTER ONE MONTH OF TRYING . Grrrr. Had little stab of pain. Other stab was two friends today, both with babies of six months old. One invited me to supper starting at 5.30pm "so you can play at being mummy with Baby1 and Baby2 before its your turn" and then proceeded to copy me into their emails all afternoon on weaning and breastfeeding. Felt like screaming "It will never be my turn so quit with the smug emails!!!" . Don't worry, I won't get too embittered ladies . I am a lovely person really

hello to shreksmissus and anyone else I have missed. I'll post more tomorrow when I get a chance. I'm still swamped at work, but I'll no doubt be on here seeking comfort from you lovely ladies and plenty cyber-wine to drown my sorrows when AF arrives

hi ladies
my docs appt went well she is referring me to the gynae in the hospital and to the recurrent miscarriage clinic for investigation. she has advised us to put TTC on hold for a few months until my body stops acting up! DH has said absolutely not! we will keep trying as it will happen for us at some point! i dont know what to do but i do know i dont want another disappointment like this month. any thoughts??
PnM im glad your appointment went well too fingers crossed things are ok for you and if its somethin it is fixable
GG oooo big boobies and hormones aplenty i sooooo wish this month is your month i have everythin crossed for you hun xxx
hi to everyone else
xx ei xx

Hi Ladies
Ei, if I was you I would continue ttc, but not test until I was at least a week late. As I understand it early miscarriages are terribly common, and usually it is because there is something wrong with the bean - an abnormality or it implants in the wrong place, or doesn't implant properly. It does not mean there is anything wrong with you and if I were you I would continue to think that unless someone told me otherwise. On that basis, there must be every chance that the next bean will be sticky and everything will be fine. I think we all need to think positive a bit

Picknmix I'm so glad your appointment went well. Remember if your GP seems unsure about what is going on insist she refers you. In the meantime, if it is "just" the ovulation thing, maybe some acupuncture or, eventually, clomid will sort it out. Now you've got the ball rolling hopefully everything will be sorted double-quick.

GG I'm glad you're back. I've missed you around here. Lucky you going to Borneo - my cousin lives there so I really think I ought to get in a visit one of these days. [Grr] about those insensitive women. My SIL said to me the other day that she was "too fertile" to use natural family planning (how I wish I believed that about myself). I felt like clobbering her... does she think she ovulates 10 times a month or something? More to the point, does she think that is a fair comment to make to someone in my shoes? Well, I suppose she did not know how oversensitive I am being, but still... Fingers crossed that this month is your month.
MOB your DH sounds like a star.
Hello to the rest of you.
And yes, this is my first cycle back on the ttc treadmill. As I am only CD4-ish, do you think it would be ok for me to have a gin and tonic? I really really want one.

Too late, I'm having one!

oooh yes, have a G&T . Anyway, a little of what you fancy does you good, so why not?

Well you know not to ask me about the G&T scary . Although I have not been having many recently. We have discovered (after 3 years of living in this house) that there is actually amazing country walks about um, 1 minute away from my back gate , so G&Ts have been replaced with walks through corn fields and fields full of wild flowers...honeysuckle and poppies...ahhh.

PicknMix feel awful for not tattooing your appointment date on my hand. You are always so thoughtful and remember mine! I am a rubbish cyber friend . Glad it went well though. You TCOYF and do your own CD21 thing like you say. Hopefully they will find something straight forward that you can just 'fix' because if your baby turns up mine will be sure to follow him as they are such good buddies. .

Ei Glad you are feeling a little more positive. I would carry on ttc if I were you but like scary said, don't test as what you don't know can't hurt you.

Caitni glad you had a good trip. I would like to go to Dublin. I worked in Cork for a long while and my DP loves Kinsale so I have been there a few times, but other than that Ireland is somewhat undiscovered for me.

GG ....Malaysia...I can't keep up! Roll on my holiday. The credit crunch has caught up with my company. Apparently they are deferring mid year bonuses until our clients start paying thier bills . We should organise a meet up again soon. Maybe we could go to someone elses neck of hte woods....like a mini day trip. PicknMix watch out we will all be comng to visit .

And by the way everyone, just because I am the same weight that i was when I was 18 does not mean I am a skinny arse. I had a fat arse when I was 18 and I have a fat arse now! . CD19 I think here, so into the 2ww. We have only done the deed 3 times this month so far though so not much chance of a LO turning up. I think my fertility issues may be due to the fact that my name is not Mary. i.e. I am not going to have an immaculate conception!

I'm out this month. Again. AF arrived mid morning bang on cue .

Fed up. I want a G&T too. Now. At 2.30 in the afternoon. DH said, "Oh well, never mind" when I told him. "NEVERMIND"???!! I bl**dy well do mind. A LOT

I'll check in again later when I am in a better mood, ladies. Hope you are all ok

The most frustrating thing is that my cycle is so clockwork, i could set my watch to it. It is like my body is taunting me each month. It is saying "Yooo hoooo Gryffin, you're perfectly fertile. Send some swimmers that can actually swim and maybe we can make use of one of these eggs"

Oh GG - so frustrating and upsetting for you. Grr at DH for being so insensitive (I realise he probably has his reasons for what he said, self preservation and 'head in the sand' type scenario but he should still be far more supportive). I know today feels like sht but I really believe it will* happen for you, and when it does it will make it all the more special because you will have been through so much to get to that point together. Thank you for your advice re NHS vs Private - it is such a postcode lottery and unfortunately our local hospital has just closed its gynae (and maternity) wards but I will stick with the GP and see how far we get with them.

Speaking of which, anybody know which day your day 21 blood test actually meant to be?? Is it 7 days after you ov??

No worries re remembering my appt Bucky . Lol at your discovering the green pastures right outside your back door and there was me thinking I was the only country bumpkin on this thread !! If you fancy a trip to the sunny south then just shout, altho I'm thinking a day trip to Brighton or somewhere may be a bit more exciting than my sleepy village

at your SIL on your behalf SH!! How incredibly insensitive!!! My SIL is the opposite and keeps offering to speak to her dr friends for us or put us in touch with some friends who are going through IVF at the mo.... Which I feel is actually as bad as being insensitive - contrary? moi? Never!

Ei I'm with SH on this one - I think you should just continue ttc but hold off testing early (easier said than done I realise!). Pleased to hear you're being referred now though.

Good luck to you and MrMOB at the GP tomorrow MOB. Well done MrMOB for taking the plunge and getting an appt

How is everybody else doing this evening?

xx

Hellooo (cue echoey 'ellooo' 'elloo' 'ello' noises....)

How is everybody today?

Hi lovely ladies,

PnM you?re not talking to yourself!! Glad to hear that your docs app went OK. Really not sure when a day 21 test is supposed to be but 7 days after ov seems most plausible. Wish someone would just give doctors a simple chart of when different things are due for women with different cycle lengths and luteal phases, sort of like those BMI height/weight charts...

GG it is awful when AF arrives...hope you're feeling better now? And it sounds like your DH is just trying to help in his poor, misguided male way (or at least that's what I told myself when I had a similar "discussion" with my DH when my last AF arrived and he reacted in a similar way...). God, I think I would go mad if I was cc-ed into emails all afternoon about the joys of parenting small babies so glad you had a lil rant about that.

Bucky so cool that you worked in Cork! It's where I'm from so only go to Dublin to see my sister and her family. And like all good Corkonians I truly believe it's the best part of Ireland and was in fact only telling my colleagues about the joys of Barry's tea this morning

Ei I agree with the advice of continuing ttc but not testing until a week late, though I totally know that's easier said than done...and glad to hear you've got a referral to get the ball rolling on getting to the bottom of this.

MOB Hope apps go (or went, depending on when you read this) well - and good on your DH for booking himself in!

SH I really hope you enjoyed the G&T I had a Cobra with my indian meal last night and it was just what I'd needed!!

Waves to JB Shreksmissus Abby Digitalgirl MtW and anyone else I've forgotten

In other news, I finished the last of my final exams for a part-time degree yesterday so no more full time working/part time studying madness for me! After 4 years I'm kind of looking around, blinking, wondering what I'm going to do with all the time I now have lol Though am [not so] secretly hoping that the end of that stress helps with the old ttc...and not yet ov?d (today is CD13, usually ov on CD11) - got my 2nd peak monitor reading today so am hoping for a temp rise tomorrow. GG I wish I had your cycles. In 4 mths of using FF I've had an ave cycle of 23 days (with one of 22 & another of 24 days) and now this month looks like being at least 25 days...and always stupidly thought I had a regular cycle of 25 days (how unobservant was I?!?)

PnM I'm here too! You're definitely not talking to yourself Glad to hear your appt went ok, and you have blood tests in the pipeline. I would say that a 21 day one should be 7 days after ov. It's weird that she counted your spotting as the beginning of a new cycle - definitely do the tests when you think you should. Glad that investigations have begun for you. It may well be that those eggs of yours just need a bit of a nudge!

GG sounds like you've had a tough couple of days. AF turning up is just rubbish (rather can i say it's shit or will anyone be offended??)I think a large drink and a good cry is always in order every time it happens. DH didn't help did he? Poor thing, he might say "nevermind" but we all know he DOES mind. But these men don't realise that when it happens to OUR bodies, and we see that blood,it's always devastating. Those friends of yours copying you into emails must have been the icing on the cake. I'm sure there was no intention to hurt you at all - but i think that unless you have been here you just don't realise. I have to admit, i had DS & DD as soon as i started trying. I know now that i didn't realise at the time how lucky i was. I am so different now when talking to people who may trying, or may be having problems. I never make any assumptions in that department now. No doubt your friends have no idea of the gut wrenching pain that not conceiving brings. Hopefully they never will. So carry on ranting to us all here - we know where you're coming from!

EI so pleased that your GP is to refer you. Fingers crossed that you get a sticky bean in the meantime. I definitely agree with everyone else - stopping ttc for a while would be very difficult, whereas you could decide not to test until after a certain point, to avoid the sheer heartache of a BFP followed by AF. Maybe stop temping / charting for a while? You will be then even less aware of whats going on, e.g. not seeing high temps etc.

SH Hope you enjoyed your G&T the other day - nothing wrong with one of those! (one of my favourites as well, although i am also very partial to a pimms at this time of year)

Bucky You are so lucky to have those walks right by you! It sounds fantastic! Not sure a walk could entirely replace a G&T though...

Caitni how lovely for you, finishing your exams! Make sure you relax a bit and reward yourself! Was it work related studies, or just a subject you are interested in? (Sorry, being nosy)

I have just got back from my new patient check & smear. I did mention ttc, and she was quite helpful, and first of all checked that we were timing things right, ( i didn't mention ALL the things i do - OPKs, temping, checking cervix, etc, for fear of appearing obsessed)and then she suggested that we wait until DH's results come back, and then make an appt with the dr to see about getting my bloods done, or going straight for referral if he has an obvious problem. It did feel very strange and scary to be talking about it with someone other than DH & you lot. At the same time, it feels good to know that help is out there. We'll see how DH gets on this evening. I did discover from her though that the sample, when he does it, has to go quite a long way. We live near a large town with a very big hospital (including a fertility unit) but the semen analysis is done miles away in another town. It takes a good half an hour or so on the motorway to get there. I know that as i have more flexible working arrangements, it's going to be me who has to drive the little swimmers down there!! Oh joy. The things we do, eh?
I think i will ov today, and we still haven't been near each other in ages I think the pressure is getting to us both, as we have been quite niggly with each other. We might give it a go tonight, hopefully it's not too late.

I am about too .

hello MOB - Good luck to mad Old Bloke tonight at the hospital. Have the hospital given you a little blue fashing light for the top of your car, so you can put on the blues and twos when mercy dashing to the hospital in the other town with your DH's sample . The things we do in the name of love and TTC

picknmix - yeaayyy, I can see it now.....a 2ww-ers summer expedition to Brighton. WE'll be like the Blue eter presenters on tour Is candyfloss a known EWCM stimulant? Could sea air be just the thing to stimulate ovulation? I think we should see for ourselves [frin] Sorry having a mad afternoon .

caitni - at you studying and working full time too. You are brave. I don;t think I have the mental aptitude to study any more....my brain is much these days . When do you get your results. I bet you will get a First or Distinction.

I am in a much better mood today, you'll all be glad to hear . It may be CD2, but I am not one for dwelling on things, oh no. I have had a little rant in cypber-space to you lovely thoughtful ladies, kicked the furniture, downed a G&T and I'm fine again

DH is drinking again . He was out last night and the night before on work things and had a few each night, which will not do his geritatric swimmers any good. Grrr, men. I told him (half jokingly...) that we'll have to get a sperm donor if he can't stick to the doctor prescribed sperm improvement regime .

Did I tell you our BIG follow up appointment with the consultant is on Monday at 4pm? (My memory is terrible ). I am getting quite nervous about it and getting all the results and the general prognosis after all the squillions of tests and HSGs etc. I think this may be when we find out what assisted conception options we'll have (doesn't look like we've any hope of creating a DC naturally)....[scared emoticon]

where are you all? I am sending out a search party round the lanes and fields and Bucky-ville to track down our long lost cyber friend.

Big hello to everyone else, mibbes shreksmissus jollybear abby and others.

scary are you about today - hope the gin and tonic went down a treat the other night. You certainly desrved a wee treat and you inspired me yesterday to attack the bottle of Gordons. It was *delicious"

Yay - there's lots of folks about!

GG so glad to hear you're in a better mood. And grr at your DH, though the odd few drinks shouldn't be too much of a problem. Glad you had a little of the old Gordons medicinial tonic too, as depriving yourself of everything makes your DH's odd drink here and there even harder to stomach!! And I'll be thinking of you, and crossing all things crossable, on Monday as I think getting the results must be the most nerve wracking part...and thanks for the good wishes on the exam results!

PnM oh yay - Brighton day trip ahoy! I have a vested interest here as we're actually moving to Brighton in a few weeks, from norf laaandon to the seaside in one fell swoop (and the joys of commuting!).

MOB how funny not telling her everything you do (that is exactly what I'd do...anything to appear normal lol) and wow, you get to go day-tripping with the little swimmers! Now that is commitment And we can be ov buddies. There was a bit of a crisis in our household last night, an inability to BD on command (poor DH, he was v good last month and it got us no where so I think the pressure is getting to him) and when I tried to bring it up this morning it was a case of "don't mention the war". I'm hoping tonight's more successful in that dept so definitely hoping it's not too late to BD on ov day! Note to self: BDing is supposed to be fun and not just single-mindedly focused on one thing only...I've been studying law btw - did the conversion course first and just finished the legal practice course - I'd like to become a solicitor at some point though 4 years of studying has made me want a break for now!

Caitni Hello ov buddy! It's kind of comforting to hear that you and DH have had similar difficulties (though at "when i tried to bring it up this morning..." - sorry, no offence meant!!)Crumbs - studying law plus working full time - not the easy option! You must have a lot of determination and self-discipline.

GG I've ALWAYS wanted one of those little blue lights to stick on top of my car!!! Could be just the thing for getting swimmers through rush hour traffic. Am nervous on your behalf about your appt on monday. A good kind of nervous though, as hopefully they will give you all your options for getting baby-gryffin here. A huge step in the right direction.

Oh yes, i forgot to say, i'd love to be at a meet-up in brighton (or anywhere else for that matter) I was soooo disappointed to miss the last one. The seaside would be lovely.

Haven't really got time to read the thread, but GG sorry TEW was punctual old bitch .

I got my hospital date ALREADY . It was supposed to be 18 weeks! Anyway, it is on the 3 July and I go on holiday on the 4th July. I am flying and I am supposed to relax after the op, so I am going to try and change it. I am not going to have a good holiday with weird shoulder pains and big holes in my stomach (ok, little holes, but they will still hurt).

I will have a read a bit later and post with a little more consideration.

Love ya.

MOB oh I missed that (also sniggering childishly now) maybe I should just get better at bringing it up eh (fnar fnar and yet more sniggering). I am so glad my DH doesn't look on MN!

Bucky wow, that is super fast. So much for, er, having time to mentally prepare for it though it bodes well for getting another app quickly. Agree that shoulder tip pain and post-op ness is not the ideal start to a holiday.