TTC after chemical pregnancy

[LucyCL]

I had a MC this Jan , 6 weeks and 1 day. Then I had a CP last Tuesday, 4 weeks and 6 days. I finally stopped bleeding today. Two pregnancies and two MCs so far.

I would like to know what your ttc experiences were like after CP. I admit I felt so lost when I saw the line getting fainter and I have been feeling very low and anxious for the last 7 days. However it is not healthy and it is time to be positive! So, I will be trying again this month. That is why I decided to start this thread.

Is Triphasic chart reliable?
For the past cycles, I took oral BBT so it fluctuated a lot, even with the BFP ones. I can't tell if this is true or not. Here is what I have found:
www.fertilityfriend.com/Faqs/Triphasic-chart.html

I didn’t track this month, I had a scan to check my lining. The Dr said my follicle was 16.9mm and I would ovulate in the next few days. I had sex twice on the Wednesday and flew on a girlie holiday that Wednesday evening so didn’t track. I had a peak reading on my CBmonitor on the Thursday I didn’t check on the Friday. But my LH was very close to positive Wednesday afternoon so I think I actually ovulated Thursday and the sperm was just sat waiting from the Wednesday. X

You have been really patient ❤ I hope you will have an uneventful pregnancy!

CD30 7dpo
It is good that I am doing a female hormone blood test this morning to verify if Mira is reflecting true data. Will share the blood test result later this afternoon/evening.

It is good that I don't feel anything during the whole menstrual cycle. Apart from a little anxiety caused by Mira, I am feeling quite calm.😂

I think you’re amazing having such great insight into what your body is doing. Fingers crossed and lots of baby dust x

CD18 2DPO

Temperature remains elevated
Still really nauseous

You have been feeling nauseous for some days now. If I were you, I would do a blood test to find out why.
It could be related to hormone levels or other things.

https://www.medichecks.com/products/female-hormone-check-advanced-blood-test

https://www.medichecks.com/products/female-hormone-check-blood-test

https://www.medichecks.com/products/well-woman-advanced-blood-test

Glad you’re feeling calm 🧘🏼‍♀️🧘🏼‍♀️

I did the female hormone blood test on 7dpo last cycle after CP and everything came back normal. I have the feeling that Mira might be wrong but still I want to verify it properly.
Then perhaps in the future when people ask if Mira is good, I could provide my own experience more accurately. 😆

Tbh I don’t feel the need at the moment to do anymore tests etc, I was happy to track ovulation with OPKs and BBT but would rather just wait now and see what happens for this cycle. Xx

That is understandable. I hope you will feel better and baby dust to you!

I’m back for a small update.

temp is still higher in comparison to before getting peak on CBAD.

The one temp that is on the baseline was taken an hour earlier than usual so I think it’s actually higher in reality but I left it as is!

not really sure what to think as my OPKs never gave me a true positive (unless I missed it in between tests - my first cycle I only had one test over 1 and that was early AM!).

todays temp was also taken an hour earlier but is still pretty high

That makes us on the same dpo. 😆 As long as your BBT is high until 14 dpo (That is how long your luteal phase lasts), there is a good chance!

Here is an interesting insight for my oral BBT!
Follicular phase: my BBT varies between 36.4 and 36.6
During ovulation: BBT varies between 36.9 and 37
For the cycles which I got BFPs, BBT started to rise from 8 dpo and most of the time it stayed above 37.

So, I am going to use OvuSense to see if the triphasic chart is valid.

CD1 here.

Love all your analysis, @LucyCL!

Still got my fingers crossed for you all.

The blood result is back.
My progesterone level is 24.4 nmol/l which is 7.7 ng/ml
Here is what I have found online:

"If your progesterone level is high (above 5 ng/ml) this confirms that you have indeed ovulated and entered the luteal phase, the second half of the menstrual cycle."

"Ideally, your "day 21" peak luteal progesterone levels should be 10ng/ml or higher."

"Progesterone level required for pregnancy:
≥ 5.6 ng/ml (18 nmol/l): According to a recent scientific study"

https://www.illumefertility.com/fertility-blog/fertility-testing-day-21#:~:text=Ideally%2C%20your%20%22day%2021%22,be%2010ng%2Fml%20or%20higher.

My analysis

The cycle when I had CP: I didn't take any extra vitamins apart from the prenatal vitamins

The cycle after CP: I took the prenatal vitamins with Vitamin B6, Zinc, Magnesium and Vitamin C every day . My progesterone level was 59.4 nmol/L which was 18.68 ng/ml on 7 dpo.

The second cycle after CP: I take the prenatal vitamins and Vitamin C every day.
My progesterone level is 24.4 nmol/l which is 7.7 ng/ml on 7 dpo

My estrogen levels for two cycles are within the normal range. I also ovulated both cycles.

In conclusion ...
Low progesterone is very likely to be the cause of my CP.
In that case, I will resume taking vitamin B6, Zinc, Magnesium from today.

What do you think?

Although pdg figures are very low on Mira however it is good to see if a person has low progesterone based on pdg. It could act as a warning. 😅
But I do not think the figures of e3g from Mira reflect the true level of Oestradiol.

I also took vitamin E last cycle! 😁

So taking extra vitamins are good for me. It has been a fun experiment! In fact, this cycle is all about experimenting!
I really hope that it is not too late to increase my progesterone level starting from today.
If I get a BFP this cycle, I really don't want to have the third MC just because I have low-ish progesterone level.

If BFN, I'll start taking vitamin B6, C, E, Zinc and Magnesium from 1 dpo for the 3rd cycle after CP!

Interesting stuff! Did your prenatal vitamins not already have those other vitamins etc in already? Or did you just get one that’s only folic acid?

I also wouldn’t blame your CP on low progesterone unless you have solid proof because these things sometimes just happen (could be a sperm problem, not implanting properly etc!)

hoping for your BFP and glad you did experiments! Please take care of yourself as it seems very mentally and emotionally exhausting ❤️

My prenatal vitamins have all those other vitamins already however based on the blood tests I have done since this March, they are not sufficient.
I have been told by doctors to stop taking folate and folic acid for 3 months as I have high level of both in my blood.
I guess I still haven't let CP go unconsciously as I was still trying to look for causes! I did say "Never look back and look forward!"... Yes, CP can by caused by many factors and there was no solid proof of me having low progesterone which caused CP to happen. 😂
I am also glad that I did experiments and have found out that taking extra vitamins is actually good for me.
I hope all of us will get BFPs and have successful pregnancies! 🤗

CD31 8dpo
My core BBT dropped with a rise in e3g and a drop in pdg. This is called Secondary Estrogen Surge. I still think Implantation dip is a myth!
Here is what I found:

"There's a big spike in estrogen at mid-cycle corresponding with the fertile window, and then there's a smaller bump around mid-luteal phase. That estrogen is also made by the corpus luteum, and the CL generally makes either estrogen or progesterone at a given time, so the mid-luteal-phase estrogen surge is associated with a brief drop in progesterone. This is the cause of mid-LP spotting, and often of a brief temp dip.

It's not a bad sign, overall it means your ovaries are doing their ovary thing but it doesn't mean either that you conceived or didn't (as you know, since it happens every month!)."

www.reddit.com/r/TryingForABaby/comments/9984b4/secondaryestrogensurgeisitathing/

So I am not worried at all. My body functions normally!

Estrogen decreases BBT and progesterone increases BBT💜

Insight of the day: Does BBT dip mean anything?

There was a statistical analysis of just over 100,000 BBT charts, of both pregnant and non-pregnant women. They looked for

On non-pregnancy charts that detected ovulation, 11 percent had an implantation dip. On the other hand, 23 percent of pregnancy-positive charts had an implantation dip. Looking at their statistics, twice as many of the pregnancy charts showed an implantation dip.
If your chart doesn't have a dip, you can't draw a conclusion. Approximately 75 percent of pregnancy BBT charts did not have the dip. Most women who were pregnant didn't get a dip.
If you have the dip, does it mean you’re pregnant? No. The dip appeared on non-pregnancy charts.
While you're more likely to see a one-day temperature drop when you're pregnant, it is not a definitive sign of being pregnant. Some women get a small dip on their charts almost every month on day seven or eight post-ovulation.
https://www.verywellfamily.com/implantation-dip-what-it-means-if-you-get-one-1960301