WHAT DO WE WANT??...BFPs WHEN DO WE WANT THEM??...NOW!!!! symptom spotters and 2wwaiters brand spanking new thread [grin]

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so here is our new LUCK-STUFFED thread
anyone got symptoms (or not which is a sympotm) get sharing!!
i have set up a table of cakes, biscuits, sweets and chocolate with the kettle on the boil for our teapot!! some comfy chairs and footstools get comfy and get chatting good luck is in the pot on the table do as you please with it (eat it, put it in your pockets, stir it in your tea) lets all do a concerted effort to get our BFPs
xx ei xx

Jolly I have asked DH to make a follow up appointment with his GP (whom he really likes, thank god and is great) and he can explain the results to DH and the next steps. From reading other threads on here, I thought that results were normally divided up into sperm count, volume, morphology (whatever that is) etc, but DH wasn't told anything more over the phone than "very low".

DH says he will make the appointment, but I suspect he won't get round to it without some pushing. I don't want to push him today or he will get angry/upset .

I feel absolutely wretched saying this about my lovely, lovely DH, but I knew, somehow that this was the issue. Feels like the end of the TTC world today, even though I know that technology is wonderful and there must be loads we can do.

p.s. DH wasn't offered a follow up appointment or any advice or anything . At least we are forceful intelligent (well, I like to think so anyway ) people who know what to do

Sorry GG, You must be feeling really low. Stay with us, we will do our best to support you in what ever way we can. X

Just a quick post as at work.

oh GG im so sorry to hear about the poor result i know what you mean about how you 'knew' it was the problem before you actually knew it was iyswim i have had the same thoughts about my DH's boys and im thinking about asking for a test or getting a home test. (my thoughts are spurred by the amount and texture of his stuff ie not much and really thick and sticky) just try and remember that although the count is low you only need one (although odds are higher if there are loads) to fertilise an egg so it CAN still happen and i firmly believe it WILL still happen for you xx now you can give him a HUG from me xx
xx ei xx

GG am so sorry about DH's results . Men can totally miss that we want to discuss feelings - they are more practical and want to fix things, not discuss how it affects us emotionally I have a terrible time getting DP to discuss anything more in-depth than the football scores. I imagine you are doubly frustrated in that if it were an "issue" with you then you can do everything in your power to fix it but you can't force DH... how frustrating. And of course there is the male ego to consider, so you have to tread carefully. Do you have to article about male fertility issues you mentioned the other day, is there anything practical you can ask him to do ? He may respond to that better than emotional chats ? I really feel for you GG as I know I'd be tearing my hair out if it were my DP. Big {{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}} and apologies if the above is just useless ramble, just wanted to let you know I feel for you both. mibbes xx

(((((((GG)))))))))))))))))))))))) xxx

sorry to hear about those results gg. Am out and about at the mo but will pop back on later to see how you're doing. Lots of big hugs dg xxx

Have been out at meetings but had to see how you got on....

There is no doubt that it is crappy news, but at least you know now and can be proactive about doing something about it. I have been Googling and there is stuff that can be done....To do list for GG's DP:

1. Go Commando
2. Stop going to work till 12 midnight
3. Make GG cook nice nutritious dinners
4. Take lots of zinc .
5. Sleep
6. Go to doctors and pursue further tests.
7. Do yoga to counteract stressful lifestyle.
8. Air out bollocks regularly to keep them cool.

It is not my intention to make light of the seriousness of the situation GG. Please don't take it that way, just wanted to cheer you up a bit. Hopefully Gryffinguy will get over the shock and take steps to make things better. I think now that you know, things will get better...and you know...Bucky is psychic!!! Well actually MrsEi is psychic but I have 'the feeling' that I had with DG

There was 'stop drinking and smoking' too on the list, but not sure how you are supposed to 'stop being stressed' and 'stop drinking and smoking' isn't that a contradiction...

GG bucky's list is a brilliant start. I'm sure you'll be doing a lot of your own research, but please don't despair. There'll be a solution, it's not the end of the ttc world, it's just the beginning, now you can do something that you know will help rather than doing stuff that's actually a waste of time (you don't need to take clomid or flush your tubes out).

He probably needs a while to come to terms with it himself, and I'm sure when he's ready he'll talk to you (let's hope its sooner rather than later). It's a really big deal for a man to have his fertility questioned...when it's us, we women just have a good old cry and then immediately start demanding tablets, hormone supplements, injections and all sorts to get it done.

Have faith GG, we'll help you find a way to get your BFP.

Good evening everyone

JB i hope i manage to catch you before you head off. Just wanted to say - best of luck for the scan - i'll be thinking of you on Thursday.

Welcome tantiK! Spotting in front of your eyes sound like a good symptom - haven't heard that before (now we'll ALL want that.. just wait)

Coolkat hope your appt went well today.

Mibbes likewise - hope all went well with the GP, and that your "broken bits" are ok! . Hope you mentioned it to the GP - always best to get these things checked out.

EI good to see you. What a difficult time you are having with work. Is there any way you could get something else and tell them where to stick their job??

GG I'm sure you are still in shock. Unfortunately DH is maybe going to need to retreat into his cave (as all men do) and lick his wounds for a bit. Doesn't help you, though, does it.

I was thinking about you this afternoon, and that led me to thinking about a friend of mine. She and her DH had been TTC for years. They eventually found out that he had a v low count, and she had various problems and they were told that there was no way they would ever conceive naturally. They didn't want to try IVF, and decided to make the most of the positive aspects of not having children i.e. time to themselves, decent disposable income, lots of nice holidays, freedom, etc. They now have two gorgeous boys. (They couldn't believe it - they just forgot about things, and it happened) I know that doesn't help you at this present moment, but i hope it gives you a glimmer of hope.

Bucky has set out a good list there. You may want to think about general fertility supplements - my DH has started taking this and i take the "girls" version. Do you think he would be willing to pop a few vitamins?? As Bucky has said, alcohol and smoking should also be a no-no, but that is easier said than done. Likewise with caffeine. Anyhow, i shall stop wittering on at you now, just wanted to share a few thoughts that had occurred to me.

Not a lot to report here. Still feel like AF is about to appear (achey low down, and low cervix) but she hasn't as yet. Very stupidly did a test earlier (slap me someone) of course it was a BFN. Now trying to convince myself i may just have been too early (+ve opk week last friday... may not have ov'ed till sunday... may therefore only be 9DPO...) why do i do that? I know she's on her way!

Oooh, nearly forgot! Nice to see you DG!

Hi Ladies, See GG told you everyone would be here to support you.

DG good to see you.

Well went doc's explained about all BFN's and then the one that as not to convincing. They don't do preg tests at the doctors She booked me in for blood tests tomorro and says results back in 24 hours. Went to book test and they said results back in 5-7 days So booked test for tomorrow but sneaked in chemist to buy another test. Peed on stick when got home and BFP staight the way! According to last period date I am 5wks 5 days.

Still ging for bloods so that if I bleed she can take them again and see if they are increasing etc or she will see if the pregnancy not viable etc.

I hope you do not think I am being insensitive GG, I understand you are feeling low. X

So I am staying here a while as last preg did not last all that long! Also keeping a secret in RL, its quite funny really just me and DH who know and its lovely. Anyway best stop rambling got to go and check my knickers again!

coolkat oooh good news missus

Oh my goodness mibbes, that is good news, yeah to the nice doctor
Makes me think maybe I should not be so scared to go and pester mine
Just have to choose between the lady who has never had children and seems a little unsure about the whole thing (then again, she may refer me to someone else quick smart just to get rid of me) or the man who looked at me as if I were a fool when I said I had skipped a month of taking my folic acid

GG how awful for you DH I can't imagine what my DH would feel if he were in his shoes. Probably would retreat, as MOB said, to lick his wounds.
Talking of men and their reactions to things mibbes you made me LOL at your DH being proud of his man ness and ability, to hurt you I know my DH feels the same. He tends to hit something sometimes as well. He says nothing along those lines but you can tell
He has been doing it for years and it was only recently that I realised what it was I just thought that he hit something, it took MN to make me realise what it was he was hitting.
Has made me think about positions though, for projection of little men

Wowee wowee! Yeah for you coolkat Can't believe that they won't do a pregnancy test at your docs How ridiculous is that!!

Still here MOB bet you wished you hadn't asked now
phew, what a ramble!!

Nothing to report from me, hence my absence, cept sore tum on CD8-9 Thought it might be early ov (it was really quite sore) but the same thing happened last month and my temps stayed down, and have done this month.
I am worried by the link that mibbes put on ( I think it was mibbes) about an internal exam. It showed images of cysts. So I now have one of those!!
But I did have a stange incident as a teenager when I had a lump down below (bout the size of a marble) You could actually see it, not just feel it, but the doc told me it was prob nothing and not to worry. It went away about a week later and I haven't really thought about it since.
But why would you get pains a few days after AF has left, that are Not ov pains??
And they can be missed, so......worried, me?
Of course You all know me, I love a good worry!!

Hi all Coolkat congratulations that is great news good luck!!
mibbes glad that drs went well good luck

I am on cd32 still no sign of af
had nausea and cramps yesterday, also boobs itchy and tingly

Coolkat can I scream congratulations!!!!! now (or are we still whispering? )

GG how you doing today? I'm sure you are a googler extraordinaire and already have every bit of info possible on improving sperm but I found the below, which is encouraging - DH can still have coffee which is one good vice! Does he drink much caffeine?

And the study also shows that you can still have 3-4 units of alcohol a day without it making a difference to fertility so that's not too bad..still a couple of pints with the lads etc?

Keep drinking coffee, if you like it. Two Brazilian studies published in 2005 confirmed earlier suspicions that caffeine could improve sperm motility (the sperm's ability to move). In one study of fertile men who were about to have a vasectomy, men who regularly drank six or more cups of coffee a day had significantly higher sperm motility than men who didn't have the coffee habit. The second study looked at infertile men and found a similar effect of regular coffee drinking associated with improved sperm motility and antioxidant levels. Improvements in sperm motility seem to get higher as coffee intake increases but there is no evidence, as yet, that increasing your caffeine intake will definitely improve your chances of conception.

? Cut back on alcohol. While an occasional drink is generally considered safe, experts agree that drinking excessively will impair the quality of your sperm. Heavy consumption of wine, beer or spirits affects your hormone levels resulting in decreased testosterone levels, and it also affects the ability of your testes to mature the sperm properly leading to lower sperm counts and increased numbers of abnormal sperm in semen. There is no evidence that moderate drinking (within the range advised by the Department of Health of three to four units of alcohol per day for men), has any impact on male fertility. Visit www.drinkaware.co.uk for more information on working out your daily alcohol intake.

damn....just typed a super long message and it deleted itself . Will post it again later but wanted to say a HUGE congratulations to coolkat. BFP!!!! . I am thrilled for you both

we needed some good news on here after all my moaning and whinging!

GG you are not moaning, if you can't post here then where can you!

Well got woke up by the TV rattling around on the stand, DH was at work and I was scared, can't beleive had an Earth Quake! Had very little sleep last night and then pains in tummy < chanting just normal pains its ok its ok >

Catch up later at work and best do lots as got to nip out for blood test. X

hello ladies!

Thank you to everyone for being so lovely and kind.

Bucky - your list of ideas was brilliant and really made me laugh. The trick will be convincing DH to take up yoga, being a fairly traditional male type, but never say never . Thanks for being so lovely and thoughtful. I was really low yesterday and you cheered me up. I'll give you a shout later.

coolkat - I am so pleased for you with your BFP! 5+5!! wooohooo!

mibbes and twinkling- DH has retreated back into his cave, as you both predicted. I couldn't not bring the subject up last night or it would have been weird, so tried to say I was sorry, and asked how he felt etc and we could talk about it. I didn't get very far (understatement!). He immediately changed the subject to "Do you want to come to Nice in May? I've got a conference" and then said a few things that got me very upset. He's lashing out, I know, but I wonder if this is typical

1. It's my problem not yours, so shut up.

1. You're obsessed with MN, it's filling your head with crp and i don't give a fck about zinc or what they all think.

1. I am not talking to you about this at all until i've had all test results and discussed it with the doctor.

1. I am perfectly happy not to have children. It's you who is totally obsessed with having them and turning into a different person. Get over it.

1. I am busy and that takes priority over your obsession.

1. "Go on and leave me"

I think today might be as productive as yesterday for work output.

madoldbird - that is a lovely story about your friends and their two little boys . They sound lovely and approached their situation to make the most of their freedoms and each other, but I wonder if I could do that . Actually, one half of me is still really positive that DH's very low sperm count can be overcome. i am stressed and upset, but not filled with hopelessness. I think I am more scared about my relationship with DH crumbling under the pressure. I know he won't want to address this and he will be very reluctant to go through any medical procedures.

hello to DG and digi-bean!!! How are you feeling, m'dear? Hope you don't have morning sickness or anything yucky . Are they being lovely to you on the PG boards?

I have been posting on this thread because you are all so lovely here, but I think I'm going to expand my MN horizons and look to the TTC since forever lasses too! Or maybe it really is time for the Hut of Doom

pinkgirl - have you tested yet if you are CD30?

x-posts with coolkat - good luck with the tests

did anyone get caught in the earthquake last night? I lived in Greece and they had some big ones there. Once I got thrown out of bed and the ceiling crashed on to the bed. It was very hot and i was crouched in the doorframe totally starkers, thinking "Bloody hell!! I'm about to be Gryffin filling in Building sandwich. If this block collapses and I'm pulled from the rubble in front of TV cameras, I WILL BE NAKED . What will my mum say?"

amazing what goes through your head when your life flashes before you

The question is WHY were you naked?

Going to a seminar again this afternoon...dull diddly dull, but just dropped in to say hi. Did a random OPK yesterday and no so think I ov early this month as I felt it...who knows. Will pounce on DP again tonight.

and glamourous dresses for everyone. As Agyness Deyn says, 'why save your best for best?' Break it out today and have fun....

Oh and GG...sounds like defence mechanism has kicked in with DH. If the hospital episode is anything to go by...give him a few days. >...and glamourous dresses. .

morning ladies well afternoon now but morning when i signed in lol
hope you are all doing ok
GG so sorry your DH if retreating into his cave maybe he just needs his space to figure out everythin in his head. i hope he sorts himself out and starts to open up to you xx
coolkat an unreserved WOOHOO *CONGRATS to you on your BFP see never give up hope!! what did auntie ei say...i knew it would be your cycle
hi to everyone else
xx ei xx

Hi AllGG havent tested since cd 28 i am on cd 32 now was going to wait and test on sat if no af sorry about dh hopefull he will talk soon

Bucky - sadly, i was naked 'cause it was so hot rather . 30C at night. Best get my (mythical) designer frock out then and join Agyness!

Eiwish - DH has made an appointment with the doctor. Got an email saying "Appt 9.10 on Tues. Happy?!" so I'll leave him alone in his cave rubbing sticks together to make fire and skinning rabbits or whatever cavemen do these days .

I won't mention sperm tests again until he talks to me, which will probably be after Tuesday, but I want him to know that I care and also see it as an us problem too. he must have guessed the news would be difficult for me too, although in a different way