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Short luteal phase?

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JuniperandI · 25/10/2022 17:24

Hi ladies

I have a short LP, about 9-10 days. Anyone else in the same boat? Have you managed to get pregnant with a short LP? Any advice would be very welcome!

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CSR721 · 26/10/2022 15:06

Mine was 10-11 days and I'm currently 38w pregnant 😊

EmmRach · 26/10/2022 15:25

@DesertSnow ahhhh how wonderful. You're about to have one of the best days of your life!! And you could make a bonafide honeymoon baby! Very excited for you.

I'm on CD 20 with ovulation tracked as yesterday CD19. AF is due in 7 days. I've only started on the vitamins this cycle. So about 3 weeks ago. Maybe not long enough to take effect this month. Maybe next!

@Mugascauld - natural cycles counts mu LP for me... but it seems to be that it counts the day after ovulation as day 1 and the first day of your period as the final day of the LP. For example last month I ovulated on 29th Sept and my period started 8th Oct. And it gave me an 8 day LP. Might not be how others do it but that's what the app seems to tell me :)

EmmRach · 26/10/2022 15:28

@CSR721 brilliant!! Congratulations!! Good luck with the birth!!

Do you mind me asking how long it took you to conceive?

CSR721 · 26/10/2022 15:30

@EmmRach

Thank you!

It took us 6 months from coming off the pill, it was our 7th cycle trying x

DesertSnow · 26/10/2022 15:39

@CSR721 oh how lovely, congrats!

@EmmRach thank you! I'm relieved as for a while it looked like I might have AF as an uninvited wedding guest. It would be incredible if we conceived just after. Yes I think it probably takes a few cycles for vitamins to kick in... One of the reasons I don't want to start trying everything all at once but add things in gradually. But you never know, things act quicker for different people! Fingers crossed for you. I don't even hope for a BFP yet, just for a longer LP!

@Mugascauld I count the day after ovulation as 1st day of luteal phase then last is the day before your next period, as that is CD1. So I ovulated 13th October, got AF 22nd October, so 8 day luteal phase.

GabbyGal · 26/10/2022 16:00

Hi ladies, hope you don’t mind if I join in. I’ve been tracking my cycle for just over a year on Flo and my LP based on the app is 9 days. This was confirmed by ovulation test last month and this month I ovulated on CD20 (based on positive test) so looks set to confirm 9 day LP again if AF arrives. Currently 2 DPO, 2nd cycle TTC.

I have a 3 year old DD but conceived her straight away, no tracking, and had a coil in before I got pregnant so don’t know if my LP has always been short.

Curious if anyone else has an underactive thyroid? I know it affects my cycle so curious whether it impacts LP length.

@CSR721 Congrats! Not long to go, hope you’re not too uncomfortable!

@DesertSnow Congrats to you too! Have a great day and fingers crossed for a honeymoon baby.

EmmRach · 26/10/2022 16:27

Hi @GabbyGal - I actually ordered one of the home finger prick tests for my thyroid because I'd read it could be connected and I have a couple of the symptoms. But thankfully that test was negative.
We're in a really similar cycle. I also ovulated CD20 and I'm 1DPO.

Mugascauld · 26/10/2022 16:28

@EmmRach Oh I'm using NC too! Yes it's given me a 10day LP but I had been counting it as 9, same way as @DesertSnow ...but I'll happily take that extra day 😅
I also only started on the vits this cycle, I'm just CD5. I have heard that they work quickly, because vits C and B are water soluble so they don't need to build up in the body to work, in fact they can't build up in the body.
Fingers crossed for all of us anyway!

EmmRach · 26/10/2022 16:31

Oooo that's super interesting @Mugascauld !! Thank you, didn't know that. I like the positivity that knowledge brings, that you can do something quite quickly to positively improve the situation.

Ahhh maaan. Now I'm worried it's actually a day shorter than I imagined!! Anyway... I have a yard stick, and the aim of the game is to make it longer!

Mugascauld · 26/10/2022 16:48

@EmmRach oh sorry I didn't mean to make you worry! Honestly I'm going to trust the app and just go with what it says, it seems to be spot on with everything else.

EmmRach · 26/10/2022 18:15

@Mugascauld ahh bless you. No, everything makes me worry at the moment. I think I'm going a little nuts. Not your fault at all! Please don't worry.

I am only on cycle 3 but because I've been prepping for so long, it feels like much longer.

I'm hopeful to see if the vitamins work this cycle to lengthen LP.

I shall report back!

JuniperandI · 26/10/2022 18:44

I was taking B6 last cycle but it made me queasy so I stopped. I'm (cautiously) using progesterone cream at the moment - does anyone else have anything else I could try to try and lengthen my LP? My cycles are about 26 days at the moment.

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DesertSnow · 26/10/2022 18:56

Hi @GabbyGal thank you! Fingers crossed for you too. Don't know anything about the thyroid issue I'm afraid, but others might be able to help.

@Mugascauld oh that's interesting they're meant to take effect quicky. Really hoping that upping my dose of B6 might make a difference.

@EmmRach I know how you feel, everything makes me worry too! Even when I hear success stories with a short LP, I'm still worried and desperate to increase it!

@JuniperandI I've heard positive things about evening primrose oil regulating cycles/hormones so am going to start trying that - only take up to ovulation. Also meant to help with CM. Were you taking the B6 with a meal? Wonder if you take it at night you might sleep through the nausea side effect? Can I ask which progesterone cream you're using? Is it the first cycle you're using it?

JuniperandI · 26/10/2022 19:16

@DesertSnow I took the B6 after my dinner with my pregnacare and half an aspirin. Made me feel sick even the next day.
I use abwellness.co.uk/natpro-natural-progesterone-cream-60ml and I've used it for 4 cycles. Seems ok sometimes but my period came on time last month and I'm tentative about upping the dosage!
I'll grab some evening primrose oil, thanks.

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Sparklythings1 · 26/10/2022 21:35

@JuniperandI I’m attempting to bring forward ovulation with maca root, same idea as evening primrose oil by the sounds of it. Then I’ll stop taking that at ovulation and move on to taking agnus castus for the LP. That should aim to bring ovulation forward then lengthen the LP too so surely better than last month 🙈 also taking vitamin C, pregnacare and ashwagandha to try and reduce my stress as that could be blocking progesterone and causing AF to arrive

GabbyGal · 26/10/2022 22:26

@EmmRach It was a good idea to get your thyroid checked anyway because it can affect fertility (and lots of other things) but is easily managed.

I’m taking notes of all of the supplements people are taking to increase LP.. I’m off to Boots in the morning.

JuniperandI · 26/10/2022 22:37

@Sparklythings1 interesting. How will you track ovulation? OPK and BBT?

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Sparklythings1 · 26/10/2022 23:11

@JuniperandI i only do opks, I’m just going to have to go by them. I don’t want to start bbt as it would just take over my life even more than it already is 🙈

EmmRach · 27/10/2022 00:01

@JuniperandI I've done both for a year now... I've kind of got into the habit of it. My thermometer sits on my phone overnight so as soon as my alarm goes off - I reach for my phone and the thermometer is right there. I'm going to download premom though, seen some examples on other threads and that app looks great!

Ldougal92 · 27/10/2022 08:41

EmmRach · 27/10/2022 00:01

@JuniperandI I've done both for a year now... I've kind of got into the habit of it. My thermometer sits on my phone overnight so as soon as my alarm goes off - I reach for my phone and the thermometer is right there. I'm going to download premom though, seen some examples on other threads and that app looks great!

This is exactly what I do! Premom is a brilliant app! BBT is a great tool (and helps confirm my ovulation) but I do get anxiety from day 7 waking up taking it, but hopefully this extra progesterone does the trick x

Jendy87 · 27/10/2022 09:17

Hello everyone, hoping to join you all on this board.
My story:
Fortunately I have two lovely sons aged 8/10 years

Last August my husband and I decided to try for our third having never thought that we would - I am now 35yrs.

I was on contraceptives for acne, stopped this and awaited my period.
It took 5 1/2 months to return.
Gp checked bloods which were normal.

we fell pregnant straight away on my first cycle back but sadly had a mmc at 6+weeks.
I noticed some pink ‘spotting’ from 7dpo .
It was really only pink streaks in mucus at any one time but it was very frequent. I had a feeling this pregnancy was different pretty much from conception.
I had some strong cramping one night but saw an fh at USS the next day.
it was even more of a blow to lose the baby after this.

6 weeks after this loss my cycle returned but they were longer then they used to be and I found out I was ovulating late day 20/21/22.
tracking my cycles I noticed that at 7dpo the pink streaky spotting would occur every month like clockwork.
again saw my gp who took a 7dpo progesterone test. This came back as very normal at 41 however this month I was pregnant and hadn’t found out yet.
sadly the pink spotting continued and my pregnancy tests lightened until I bled and lost the pregnancy at 4+6 wks

As I haven’t had 3 losses in a row my gp will not test again for anything and I am
not eligible for a referral to recurrent pregnancy loss clinic.
I was at a loss so have paid to go private.

During my long year of research into ovulation support and luteal phase defect i have tried:
sensitivity/intolerance testing
full blood panel including thyroid-private
abdominal massage
naturopathic doctor
vitamin b complex and other numerous vitamins
ashwaganda/stress reduction
dietary changes

my private consultant was very supportive and informative at my first appointment in September
it was a remote consultation but given my history he felt that I had a high follicle count.
he said that because of this my estrogen is high and my follicles ‘fight’ to receive FSH and this in turn causes a longer time for a dominant follicle to appear.
my lining becomes less effective as it’s taken a longer time to ovulate.
this weak ovulation produces a less effective corpus luteum and my progesterone is insufficient in the luteal phase thus causing this spotting before AF.

i used a progesterone urine test kit last month which checks the Progesterone in your urine from 7dpo-10dpo.
it proved more effective than a one off blood test and showed that my progesterone was too low to
start with and tailing off further by 10dpo

my plan this month was:
letrozole 5mg to bring ovulation forward
trigger shot of hcg to improve surge and ovulation
progesterone pessaries in luteal phase.

my day 13 USS showed two dominant follicles and lots of smaller follicles- proving the PCO theory.
sadly the dominant follicles were still slow growing so I only took my trigger shot around day 18.
my consultant wants to increase my Letrozole dosage next month.

this month is an expensive experiment to say the least!
really wish my gp was more clued up on luteal phase support.
she suggested as it occurred very month it normal!?

I would love to see how we all get on and I’m somewhat reassured I’m not alone in this issue.
although I wish we didn’t have to deal with it at all!

best wishes ladies

Mugascauld · 27/10/2022 10:56

HI @Jendy87 , so sorry to hear of your MMC and that your GP hasn't been supportive. I hope the path you're on with your consultant is successful! I haven't been to see anyone medical but I suspect my cycle is quite similar to yours, but for different reasons. I'm currently still breastfeeding and the hormones involved impact how quickly my follicles mature, resulting in a late and possibly immature ovulation, which in turn impacts my progesterone levels etc etc etc. So while my cycles are a regular length the late ovulating is taking time away from my luteal phase.
I know stress as a direct impact on progesterone - when you're stressed you produce cortisol which kind of stops your production of progesterone. The way I think of it is, when I'm stressed my body is not prioritising creating a new life, it's just focusing on survival! So I'm really not underestimating the stress reduction aspect of all of this, especially as it's a stressful situation we're all in.

Fingers crossed for you this month!

EmmRach · 27/10/2022 11:38

@Jendy87 thanks so much for sharing your journey so far with us! I've read it 3 times. So much to take in!!
Firstly I'm sorry about your losses. I haven't had to experience that (yet?! Hopefully not at all....however I am arming myself to the possibility given my short LP) it must feel so crushing. :(

I have a couple of questions if you don't mind? Your progesterone pee tests... were they something your private doc gave you or is this something I could purchase? Very interested to know my progesterone levels after O.

Secondly, and quite personally so please feel free not to answer. What is the private doc costing? Just wondering if it's something that would be possible in the future for me or not. So I can either focus on that as a long term solution or I can try forget that path and look at other things.

It's just terrible that your GP wasn't responsive. I haven't considered going to mine yet. I'm still fairly early in the process and I've heard so many stories about them being pants, it just makes me feel like it's not worth bothering and getting myself wound up over.

Jendy87 · 27/10/2022 12:47

No problem at all. I feel helpful being able to share my story.
thanks for your kind words re my losses.
I wouldn’t wish the pain on anyone.

of course, happy to share my costs as well.
private consultation £200 30mins
prescription including Letrozole, trigger hcg shot and progesterone around £100
USS to check follicles £135
follow up consultation re scan result and plan for cycle £150

all adds up but if you break it down per month it might be more manageable 😞🙈

www.amazon.co.uk/Fertility-Progesterone-Strips-Ovulation-Double/dp/B08B698TDW/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1IYHC1MG2LVTF&keywords=progesterone+test&qid=1666870881&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIzLjU5IiwicXNhIjoiMy41MiIsInFzcCI6IjIuODEifQ%3D%3D&s=prime-wardrobe&sprefix=proges%2Caps%2C84&sr=1-3

this is the link for the progesterone test.
proov test - hope it works.
Amazon prime 👌🏻
I believe it was made by a lady in America who also suffered from luteal phase defect.

EmmRach · 27/10/2022 13:03

@Jendy87

Amazing, thank you!! Just ordered so I'll be seeing the Amazon man tomorrow 🤣🤣 you have to love Amazon prime!! I'm DPO2. So good timing for them!

And those costs aren't too bad actually. I was expecting more, I could cope with that if I needed to by cutting back a bit. And it's worth it after all!

Thanks again, very helpful info!!