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When's the best time to get pregnant? Use our interactive ovulation calculator to work out when you're most fertile and most likely to conceive.

Trying to conceive over 40

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October1979 · 30/05/2021 09:48

Here is a new thread for us girls

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Catconfusion · 22/07/2021 12:53

Wishing you well @sabtom and hoping for good news soon! Xx

Catconfusion · 22/07/2021 12:55

@October1979 it’s so hard. I don’t know much about the pulse rate so not sure but everyone is different and maybe yours is lower. I’ll be thinking of you tomorrow. I hope so much that you get good news can can move into the next stage. Early pregnancy is cruel! Xx

sabtom · 22/07/2021 13:08

Thank you all for the well wishes. Just got back and phew! I can relax for another 3 weeks. Saw the little gummie bear and its heartbeat, measuring at 27mm. Going by LMP I should be 9 weeks tomorrow.

Good luck for your scan tomorrow @October1979, I know it's hard, but try not to worry and enjoy it!

I would definitely get your tooth sorted before it get worse too @Catconfusion. I remember my mum telling me once she had to have a tooth extraction when she was pregnant with me, and everything went ok.

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October1979 · 22/07/2021 13:10

Aww@sabtom I'm so happy for you your scan photo is amazing xxx

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99pctpractice · 22/07/2021 14:42

@sabtom that’s great news!! What a sweet pic, glad you can relax for a bit.

I was just wondering : the fertility consultant I saw advised that my husband should start taking impryl. Has anyone heard of it/partner taken it?

She also said I should take co-enzyme q10 200mg 3 times per day. I was already taking it but not that much …! I know some others on this thread have been taking it, is that in line with what you are taking?

sabtom · 22/07/2021 14:47

Thank you @99pctpractice!

I've never heard of impryl? But I was taking Ubiquinol. I started off with 200mg a day then went up to 600mg then back down to 400mg cause it's expensive stuff! Plus the other vitamins B complex, C, E, folic acid etc.

Catconfusion · 22/07/2021 17:02

Aww that’s amazing @sabtom So pleased it went well. New to relax!

The tooth is now extracted. It’s a good job I had it done as it was really manky. I don’t even need antibiotics as it came out really cleanly. I’m pretty sure my mum had extractions while pregnant too. I don’t think people worried as much back then and the anaesthetics are much better now. I honestly didn’t feel a thing. Xx

birdbybird · 22/07/2021 17:15

@sabtom woohoo! You’ve got a cute little gummie bear there! :)

GingerFox2021 · 22/07/2021 17:53

I can’t decide if to start taking Ubiquinol 🤔
I am not into self-prescribing medicines or supplements, so it’s hard to make a decision. However, i am almost on the edge to try it.

Mattieandmummy · 22/07/2021 18:17

As far as I know ubiquinol won't hurt you, our consultant recommended 600mg a day for me too and 200mg for DH. It's essentially energy which the mitochondria in our eggs use to form the eggs and it's also found in our follicles so you want lots of it around. When we were young careless things we had loads of it which is why our eggs were better quality. You want a fair dose for sperm too for the same reasons.

Mattieandmummy · 22/07/2021 18:18

I flippin' love a scan photo, congratulations both xx

Mattieandmummy · 22/07/2021 18:20

Impryl I think has a role as an anti-oxident which reduces aging..... Will check - two seconds

Mattieandmummy · 22/07/2021 18:27

Add a Coenzyme Q10 Supplement Although a multivitamin is the best starting point, there are additional antioxidants you can add for greater protection of sperm quality. The most useful is probably CoQ10—a vital antioxidant molecule found in just about every cell in the body. It is particularly beneficial for sperm quality because it is not just an antioxidant but also a critical component of energy production. Researchers have known for many years that there is a link between sperm quality and the level of CoQ10 naturally present in semen. Men with lower CoQ10 levels tend to have a lower sperm count and poor motility.513 In recent years, several different randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies have determined that taking a CoQ10 supplement improves sperm concentration, motility, and morphology.514 A recent study also found that the combination of CoQ10, antioxidants, and vitamin B12 not only improved traditional semen parameters but also significantly improved the integrity of DNA in sperm.515 One way in which CoQ10 is thought to improve sperm quality is by increasing the activity of antioxidant enzymes.516 It also enhances cellular energy production. Sufficient energy in the form of a molecule called ATP is absolutely critical for sperm production and motility. Cells can only make ATP when they have enough CoQ10. Although not yet proven, it is therefore likely that CoQ10 supplements improve sperm quality by optimizing energy production. What has been proven is that CoQ10 can prevent oxidative damage to DNA in sperm,517 providing reason enough to add this supplement. When choosing a brand of CoQ10, a good form to take is known as ubiquinol (as explained in chapter 6), and the usual recommended dose is 200 mg per day.518 For couples with particularly severe fertility issues, a dose of 400 mg may be more effective. Advanced Sperm Quality Supplements In cases where sperm quality is known to be an issue, or there is a history of failed IVF cycles or recurrent miscarriage, it is likely helpful to go further and add several additional supplements that have been found to improve sperm quality. The most effective supplements are Alpha-lipoic acid Omega-3 fats (in fish oil) L-carnitine Each of these supplements is backed up by clear scientific evidence. As just one example, a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study found that when men took alpha-lipoic acid each day for 12 weeks, there was a significant improvement in the total sperm count, sperm concentration, and motility levels.519 The recommended dose is 600 milligrams per day for a standard alpha-lipoic acid supplement. If you choose a supplement that is in the form of R-alpha lipoic acid, it is likely sufficient to take 200 to 300 milligrams per day. Double-blind, placebo-controlled trials have also found that omega-3 fish oil supplements improve sperm quality, with a particular improvement in DNA damage.520 In a 2016 study, when men took a fish oil supplement for three months, the average percentage of sperm with DNA damage decreased from 22 percent to 9 percent.521 The dose used in this study was 1500 mg of fish oil, containing 990 mg of DHA and 135 mg of EPA per day. For a similar dose, take two capsules of Nordic Naturals DHA Xtra. Where testing shows that sperm motility is a concern, another useful supplement is L-carnitine. Randomized studies have found that on average, L-carnitine can improve motility by 8 percent and morphology by 5 percent.522 Yet in men with a significant degree of oxidative damage to sperm, carnitine has a much greater impact. In those cases, it can increase the total number of motile sperm by more than two-fold.523 As a result, carnitine appears to be especially effective in men with poor sperm quality caused by varicocele.524 The recommended dose is 1000 mg per day. There is an alternative form of carnitine available in supplement form, called acetyl-l-carnitine. The body naturally maintains an equilibrium between the two forms and studies have found that taking either can improve sperm quality.525 L-carnitine may be preferred simply because it has been studied more extensively. Although taking all of these supplements for several months is no doubt inconvenient, it can make a dramatic difference to the chance of success. It is often well worth the sacrifice in order to save your partner from the physical and emotional toll of yet another failed IVF cycle or pregnancy loss. Boost Your Antioxidant Levels Through Diet To take full advantage of the power of antioxidants to boost sperm quality, it is a good idea to also maximize the antioxidants in your diet. The value in doing so is borne out by years of scientific research finding that men with a diet higher in antioxidants are more likely to produce sperm with the correct number of chromosomes and tend to have improved semen parameters such as sperm count and motility.526 As just one example, a recent study found that men with higher fruit and cereal intake had better sperm quality.527 One of the nutrients likely to be responsible for this benefit is folate, which is found in particularly large amounts in fruit, vegetables, and fortified cereal. While all women trying to conceive are told to take folate supplements, researchers now understand that folate is imperative for men too. It plays a critical role in protecting sperm DNA.528 A recent study in California revealed that other antioxidants found in food may even prevent or reverse the increase in sperm DNA damage associated with aging. The study, which involved men having no known fertility problems, found that men with the highest total intake of vitamin C, vitamin E, zinc, and folate (from food and supplements) had much less sperm DNA damage.529 In fact, the men with the highest intake of these had sperm DNA quality similar to the younger men. This extraordinary finding suggests that we may be able to prevent a large part of the decline in fertility and increased risk of miscarriage and birth defects as men age. A nutritious diet is important because it is likely that the specific antioxidants found in multivitamins are just a small percentage of the vast array of antioxidants found naturally in food. One additional antioxidant shown to be helpful for sperm quality but unlikely to be present in your typical multivitamin is lycopene.530 This powerful antioxidant is found in tomatoes and becomes particularly concentrated once tomatoes are cooked, such as in tomato paste. Other powerful antioxidants include anthocyanins, which give berries their dark purple color, and beta-carotene, found in sweet potatoes and carrots. Additional well-known sources of antioxidants are green tea and dark chocolate, although little is known about how these antioxidants relate to sperm quality. Until we know more about which antioxidants are most beneficial, the best approach is to eat a wide variety of fruits and vegetables, with a particular focus on the most brightly colored varieties, which are typically higher in antioxidants. It is also particularly useful to choose fruits and vegetables that are naturally lower in pesticide residues. This includes papaya, pineapple, mango, honeydew melon, avocado, cabbage, onion, peas, and broccoli. In a recent study by researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health, men who ate more of these low-pesticide fruits and vegetables had a 169 percent higher total sperm count and a 173 percent higher sperm concentration.531 Beyond antioxidants, a persuasive body of research also indicates that the dietary factors discussed in detail in chapter 13 apply to men too. In particular, the studies show that reducing sugar and red meat intake, while eating more fish and unrefined whole grains, can have powerful benefits for male fertility.

Mattieandmummy · 22/07/2021 18:28

That's the improving sperm section from it all starts with an egg

Mattieandmummy · 22/07/2021 18:28

But I know I've seen something on imprl too will think

Catconfusion · 23/07/2021 05:23

Good luck today @October1979 I’ll be thinking of you. Xx

So I’m not sure what’s going on with me. I have a slightly lighter Frer this morning at 12dpo but my ic looks darker. It’s really confusing. I also don’t feel as sick but then my mouth hurts from the dental work so not sure if it’s distracting me. I did drink a lot of water last night so not sure if it’s that. I hate being in limbo like this. It is the first test I’ve done with Fmu as weirdly I’ve found the second one of the day often yields better lines for me. Not sure why. Anyway, I’ll keep you posted. Xx

Geriatric1234 · 23/07/2021 07:33

Omg @sabtom that picture is SO COOL!!! Sooo happy for you!!!

@Littlemiss41andfabulous Also so happy for youuuuuu!!!

@October1979 Good luck today! Xxxxx

Littlemiss41andfabulous · 23/07/2021 08:07

@sabtom that's wonderful news and a very cute scan picture. X

@Catconfusion I'd be encouraged that the IC is getting darker each day even if the FRER is a lighter colour. Easier said than done I know!

@October1979 sending lots of love and well wishes for your scan today x

@GingerFox2021 I was taking Pregnacare multivitamins prior to my BFP and we'd also started using sperm friendly lubricant (Conceive plus). I had just spent a fortune on Coenzyme10 tablets (200md bd) after being impressed by the recommendations in the book 'it starts with an egg,' but as I'd only taken 4 days worth before getting my bfp I don't think they had time to make any difference.

That month we also scrapped poas for time of ovulation and just DTD every other day for just over a week (then not so much after due to being busy and tired). Interestingly both times I have ever conceived (CP and now BFP) I'm sure it is due to DTD way before or after the poas told me I had ovulated, so both were complete surprises as I thought we'd got our timings wrong on those months.

October1979 · 23/07/2021 08:20

Thanks@Littlemiss41andfabulous @Geriatric1234 @Catconfusion I will let you know how I get on xx

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sabtom · 23/07/2021 09:04

@October1979 thinking of you today! Thanks

October1979 · 23/07/2021 09:08

Thank you @sabtom xx

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birdbybird · 23/07/2021 09:40

All the best @October1979!

CD2 here. Cycle #8. It does include two MC and a couple of months couldn’t try.

Catconfusion · 23/07/2021 09:40

@October1979 please do and think nice thoughts as much as you can. You can do this! Xx

birdbybird · 23/07/2021 09:42

How are the rest of the TTC ladies doing? Anyone close to testing?

Catconfusion · 23/07/2021 09:43

So I’m feeling pretty worried. I’ve woken up not feeling sick. Obviously I have the dental pain do wonder if that’s distracting my brain. I’m just a bit worried about today’s tests. I’ve been doing two ics a day and one Frer since 8dpo. Today’s Frer looks lighter but the ic looks stronger as I said before. Please talk me down because I’m chill out about it. Currently 12dpo. The two bottom tests were this morning with fmu. Excuse the fluff. Not sure where it came from. Xx

Trying to conceive over 40
Trying to conceive over 40