9DPO Symptom Spotting

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Hey @ButterscotchBabe! Continuing our chat here 😁

I loooove that your temps did exactly what mine did too. So good that AF hasn't arrived at CD26!! Happy for you! When your temps increased last month, was it is to a gradual high or did it jump up again and then AF started? Because if this pattern is new, it could mean good news!

Ours definitely look like the beginning of a triphasic chart. My temps last month started dropping at 7DPO, so it still being high at 9DPO is such an achievement for me and no sign of AF either although my vulva feels AF'y in a weird way. My pulse and breathing rate have also continued to shoot up!! If temps don't tell you AF is coming, pulse rate defo will because it always starts falling a few days before AF for me.

I do suspect chemical but no BFP so can't confirm and nothing else changed that cycle so I can't explain it. Hormones were defo the reason I never took the pill, it plays such a big part in changing your reproductive cycle that of course it would have an affect on cycles after you come off them! 45 day cycles sound like a nightmare - especially when TTC too.

I do have a FRER! I'm always so scared to use it though. I always use rubbish ICs which probably aren't the best thing but I will use my FRER with you!

I like predicting what my temps will do with DH. What do you think will happen tomorrow? I think both our temps will go up again 😆

My nose is driving me crazy. I literally smell blood. It's a very strong metallic smell. (TMI) I've been sniffing everything! But literally nothing smells. My CM is odourless so it's not that. I've had my daily shower so it's not residual body odour (😂😂😂 I sound crazy). My clothes don't smell. But I know the smell is from me. I just don't know which part of me!! Every time I get up and sniff where I'm sat, the smell is there but then it fades. But it's not coming from down below and I'm not bleeding so I'm so confused!!!! I thought metallic taste was meant to be the symptom! Help! Does anything taste/smell weird to you?

Ooo your temps are still high and an implantation dip would be perfect! I am affirming to the universe that your temps will shoot up tomorrow! 😁 A lot of FF pregnancy charts don't even show a sustained higher temp! So really it probably doesn't even matter. But I'm still wishing for sky high temps.

If your CM isn't usual for you then any change is a good sign! Haha last night, DH and I shared a dessert box that's meant for 4 to 6 people. it had an assortment of dips and different desserts, like waffles, crepes, brownies, profiteroles and fruit. Needless to say, we didn't finish it! It was much bigger than expected, so I would love to lose my sugar appetite too but Bailey's ice cream sounds amazing! I wouldn't mind a glass of the actual drink right now, yum! What's your favourite type of dessert?

I'm so tempted to test earlier. But if it's a BFN, I'd be so disappointed. But I'll wait until 10dpo with you so we can share the news together. I'll definitely wait until I wake up naturally. Will you be testing as soon as you're awake at 6am? Also, I can't believe you wake up so early! You work from home!!! I literally roll out of bed straight into meetings 😂

The spider disappeared!! And I don't know where to!!! 😱

So, I reached out to the husband of my friend (husband was actually my friend first) because I was nervous to reach out to her and my intuition was right. There were complications with the birth. She ended up staying in hospital for a while and the baby is still in there but he's getting better. I feel terrible. I can't believe everything they've had to go through. It could have been worse if some midwives and doctors hadn't intervened when they did! My heart breaks just thinking about it. Childbirth is scary 😔

Oh wow that's strange, I've never heard of a metallic smell, I wouldn't even know what that smelt like 😂. Hopefully it's a sign though! No changes in my smell or taste, I don't really have any symptoms!

My CM is now between sticky and creamy, it's difficult to tell because it's only a little bit. I think it's probably similar to what I've had before so I'm not counting this as a symptom.

You've got lots of symptoms and I've got none ☹️ but maybe it's a good thing as I don't have anything to obsess about 😂.

Oooh that dessert box sounds amazing! You can finish it for breakfast 😂. Before lockdown I didn't have a sweet tooth and rarely ate sweet things but being bored at home we ended up buying more and more junk food and now I'm addicted to sugar. I've tried eating less of it but always crave it now ☹️. I don't really have a favourite dessert, I like most things apart from custard! How about you, what's your favourite?

We could test tomorrow with an IC but expect it to be BFN as it is very early. Don't know if it's best to release the urge?! I'm being naughty now and trying to justify it 😂.

Haha I don't get out of bed at 6am but unfortunately my body clock often wakes me quite early and once I've taken temp, I'm too awake to go back to sleep. I do often work in my pyjamas though 😂, do you get dressed properly for work?

Oh no, that's the worst! I'd rather know where it was.. maybe check under your pillows before bedtime 😂. I do this everyday as I get paranoid about spiders hiding under my pillow 😂.

Oh no, I hope mother and baby make a full recovery. I'm sure they would have appreciated you contacting them, at least they know you're thinking of them. It's crazy that childbirth is still so risky for mothers and babies. Animals are built much better for giving birth, whereas humans have quite narrow pelvises compared to the size of the baby. It seems like evolution needs to catch up!

I've been smelling all sorts. I think I just smell different or stronger. DH even noticed and he says he's never smelt me before. Maybe I'm coming down with something? I don't think it would be a pregnancy symptom.

My CM is creamy but super stretchy like EWCM now. I'm not sure if I've gotten CM like that before. I know sticky CM can be stretchy but it was still quite smooth. Maybe it's at the point where it's transitioning to sticky like yours??

I don't think I want any symptoms because if AF arrives it'll suck even more! Plus I don't think I have anything that can't be associated with PMS. Sigh, I hate this cycle's randomly generated symptoms! Would you prefer to have symptoms??

I really hope we've implanted early due to our short luteal phase.

Oh can we??!! I've been soo tempted to POAS today! I've been so strong but I think I can afford to use up an IC tomorrow. I'm just really nervous about being disappointed though!

Haha no way do I get dressed properly for work. If I'm on camera doing a training session then I'll wear a polo shirt with my company's logo and PJ bottoms below. Do you go on camera regularly? I try to avoid it when I can.

The dessert box is still sat there! I don't think I can stomach anymore food tonight. I completely get what you mean about eating more sugar. I never really snacked but right now I have a bar of white chocolate on my bedside table. I feel bleugh! I'm not really a dessert person although I do like custard. If I had a choice, I think it would be ice cream. Salted caramel ice cream. But your Bailey's ice cream still sounds soooo good!

😱 Has a spider ever hidden under your pillow???

I hope so too! Haha that's such a cool observation. Is that why you'd prefer a C-section?

That's interesting your DH said you smell different! Its reassuring when someone else notices a change! Apparently women smell different when they're fertile, so it probably is possible to smell different when you're pregnant. My DP said earlier I felt quite hot but I'm always warmer than him so I don't know if it means anything, we'll see what the thermometer says tomorrow.

It's odd because I feel 'wet' down there quite a bit but its kinda a mix of stretchy, whiteish and sticky but also a bit watery. Who knows what's going on 😂. It's a good sign yours is creamy, that's what it should be if your pregnant 😊.

Hmm, in a way I would like symptoms because it gives you hope but then it's more upsetting if it's negative, so maybe it's easier not to have them.

Yeh I think we've been good to make it this far without testing, just know that the chances of seeing anything at 9DPO are slim. So expect to be disappointed because we probably will be but there is a small chance! The proper test will be on Saturday with a FRER 😊.

Haha imagine if you forgot and stood up whilst on camera 😂. I try to avoid being on camera but my team like to see everyone once a week, so that's about the only day I get dressed 😂.

It's Bailey's extra thick cream but it feels and tastes quite light, so you can easily eat too much! Salted caramel ice cream is good!

Haha not that I know of but I can't help but check 😂🕷️😱

Yes I'm very concerned that the baby might get stuck and then it ends up in an emergency situation that could cause long term damage to the baby and mother. Lots of births happen with minimal issues but I would rather a ceasarean if possible. According to NICE guidelines hospitals are supposed to offer a woman the birth of her choice but a lot of them try to push women to have a vaginal births. There's been a few hospitals in the news lately that have been given bad ratings for baby deaths and poor treatment. But that's something to worry about later!

Happy 6am! Thought I'd join you with the early wake up. Actually I'm just really anxious and randomly woke up early.

I shall respond to the above once I'm fully awake. Just thought I'd share my chart because is this for real?! What even is a 36.81? Never seen that before in my life!

Wow that's fantastic your temp has gone up so much, that's a really positive sign 😀. Did you do an IC?

I had a lovely dream this morning that I tested and it was positive but I didn't believe it so I took two more tests and they were all positive! Then I woke up, took my temp which has come down and did an IC which was BFN. I was expecting it though as it's a really small chance you'll get a BFP on IC at 9DPO.

On the plus side I had quite a bit of CM when I got up, it was creamy/watery and not sticky so hoping that's a good thing! How is your CM this morning?

Gosh, I fell back asleep and properly overslept!

I haven't tested yet, but I do have a cup of FMU in the bathroom. I'm really nervous and just don't want the disappointment, so I'll leave the pee there and see how I feel later. DH got out of bed this morning and the first thing I said to him was "Don't touch my pee!"... But I'm not sure why he would...

From what I've read and seen on FF, temps could pretty much do anything without it meaning something so I'm not putting much hope in mine and yours going slightly down really makes no difference so your BFN could just be because it's still quite early.

Off I go to stalk FF charts!

Your dream sounds like the dream! Dreams about pregnancy can also really signify pregnancy in real life! Let's hope this is a premonition! I've been having such weird dreams recently. They've made no sense!

More CM sounds awesome! Can't believe we both haven't dried up. What a curiously strange cycle. I'm still creamy with some tiny bit of stretch. But I've read people having anything from dry to EWCM to sticky around the time AF is due and are pregnant so I don't know what all this means!!

Actually do you think it could be the vitamins properly settling into our system? Maybe that's why we have some changes this cycle?

Funny you mentioned your DP saying you feel hot! Do you feel hot?
I felt quite warm this morning and must has sweated a bit because I smell a bit sweaty and I can properly smell it. But the thing is, my clothes don't smell strongly sweaty and neither do my armpits. I'm fed up of smelling myself!!! Gonna ask DH to sniff my clothes.

Hehe I always have silly thoughts of that happening. Like I'm on camera and there's some emergency happening around me and I have to get up and run out of the room and everyone sees my shorts. I'm so weird. 😂 What do you wear when you have to great dressed for camera day??

That is quite a scary thought. I guess giving birth via CS minimises the risk of complications and it makes sense why some women would choose it. I never knew hospitals could offer vaginal or CS. I'd have to do my research and make an educated decision then because poor treatment and baby deaths sound horrible and no one should have to suffer through that!

P.S. DH said I smell like "unCliche B.O." 😂 but he said I smell very mild. So it could all just be in my head and I'm going crazy.

Haha that's dangerous leaving a cup of wee in the bathroom, I did that once just before taking a test and almost knocked the whole thing over 😂. "Don't touch my pee" 😂😂 probably good you warned him though!

I've just started getting spotting, so it's either really good news (implantation bleeding) or really bad news (early period). I'll be so gutted if it's early period because my luteal phase extended 3 days last month to 11 days in total. It will be awful if it's gone backwards 😭.

I'm not sure what affect the vitamins may be having, I was pretty sure my extended luteal phase was down to the vitamin C as that's the only thing I'd changed. Are you still taking daily vitamins?

I don't feel particularly hot but I'm always warmer than DP. Lol it's funny your smell has become quite sensitive, can you notice your DHs scent more? I wouldn't want a more sensitive nose or I'd have to smell my DP farts! 😷😷

Haha I completely understand! I normally wear pyjamas each day but when I'm on camera I'll put jeans or loungy trousers on and then a T-shirt or jumper. I've thought about keeping my pyjama bottoms on but I get paranoid that they might ask me to stand up for some reason?!

This TWW does drive us all crazy!!

I probably should pour it down the toilet now. I can't believe how nervous I am to test! I'm usually quite keen to whip out a HPT. 😂 The poor guy had no idea what I was on about until he got to the bathroom.

Spotting is always so exciting! That's a symptom I see a lot of ladies have! I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you, I hope it's IB! And 9 DPO sounds about right for that too. I can't imagine your LP would be getting shorter. Do keep me updated!

Yeah I'm still taking my vitamins. I'm just thinking maybe the vits are helping by increasing my progesterone more than usual, hence the sore nipples and higher temps.

Yeah I can smell him too! I can't smell anything else other than body odour and I smell really sweaty down there too. I hate it!!! Maybe we're just smelly people 🤷‍♀️ Haha! How have you managed to avoid smelling his farts so far?? 😂

Hahaha!! I'm just imagining a colleague asking us all to stand up for no reason 😂😂 I don't think I've seen anyone stood up on a zoom call.

How is your dress coming along? I ordered some zippers that arrived yesterday, so I'll be finishing my garments today. I finish work today too, so should have time to start and finish my Christmas dress project, or was it a playsuit? Either way, I've changed my mind.

Hello everyone! 👋🏽

Can I join as I’m also now 9DPO
Have a question about pre AF cramps that I’ve also asked others. Has anyone had their usual pre AF cramps and still went on to a BFP?
I’ve been having cramps since about 6DPO which is normal for me but these cramps seem milder.

Can anyone share any experiences? Thanks lovelies xxx

Hey all! I hope you don't mind me joining in 😬❤️

I'm 10DPO today.. symptoms are:

• extremely moody
• sore and tender boobs (especially nipples and areola's from 6-8DPO
• extreme thirst
• white / milky watery CM 9-10DPO
• very very nauseous

I took a test this morning but sadly it was a BFN. Trying to remain positive but it's SO HARD! 🙈😬 xx

Hi @WicketBasket, it's just myself and ButterscotchBabe on the thread and we both haven't been pregnant before so we can't really say. But I have chatted to ladies who have had cramps and thought AF was coming but then got their BFPs.
@printedlace I completely get it. I really want to test but I'm so nervous of disappointment. Hopefully your symptoms are good things!

Thank you, fingers crossed for us all!
It will be my first pregnancy too, although I did have a chemical pregnancy a few months ago which was hard. Xx

@unCliche Yeh I'm not sure if pee that's been out of the body for many hours, would give accurate results, prob best to chuck it now and look forward to tomorrow! How are you feeling about testing tomorrow?

Spotting is still very light but I'm not feeling as confident about getting a BFP now ☹️. I will still test tomorrow unless spotting gets heavier.

Yes the vitamins could be increasing your progesterone levels but that will also help you get and stay pregnant. With your temps being much higher this month that's definitely a good sign things are going in the right direction.

Haha I'm sure it's just your hormones messing with your smells! I don't always manage to avoid them 😂 but I think in general my sense of smell isn't that great!

I went to the fabric shop earlier and bought some inner dress lining and a red zip. When I got home I realised it's very thin and really I wanted something a bit thicker but it will have to do now. Do I sew the lining to each side of dress before sewing the two sides together? Yay that's nice to be finished for Christmas! Haha I think you said a white playsuit but maybe a jumpsuit would be warmer? I'm sure either will look great!

@printedlace Sorry to hear about your CP. I can't even begin to imagine how difficult that must have been. Hope you've been looking after yourself 💕

@ButterscotchBabe I'm still nervous about testing. I'm half expecting my temps to come crashing down tomorrow morning. I don't think I'd feel very confident if it did. I'd rather AF make the decision for me 😅 Are you looking forward to using your FRER? Do you have more than one?

What colour is the spotting. If it's pink or brown and still light then I don't think you should give up hope! My CM is sort of sticky now and quite watery but I do recall feeling wet before AF arrives . Tomorrow seems like a pivotal day for us.

I've been feeling so unwell today. Not with a stomach ache per se, but I've literally had to go to the toilet a good number of times today. I would have said food poisoning but I mostly feel fine. I just get a rumble in my stomach and it's time to go.

Yeah, a longer LP would be great but a BFP would be better! Let's hope the vitamins can get us that. But if this whole odourous business is what it means to have a good level of progesterone, then I might have to have a stern word with my body to compromise on new PMS symptoms.

Yes, that's one way of attaching a lining and probably the easiest way to do it. But usually you put the dress together and the lining together and then attach them via the neckline, back seam or something.

Any plans for the weekend?

@unCliche when looking at FF pregnancy charts I noticed quite a few tested positive on the day their temp came down, so if it does come down tomorrow don't worry, it doesn't mean you're out. Your temp is quite high now, it can't keep going up 🙂.

I have 4 X FRERs as I bought 2 x twin packs, I've found them cheapest at Lloyds Pharmacy so bought a couple! The spotting started off brown but it's got more of a reddish tinge now so I think it might be all over for me. If it's still light tomorrow then I'll test but I won't if it's heavier.

Oh no I hope you feel better soon, if it's any consolation, a change in bowels can be a pregnancy sign! Have you had any other symptoms today?

Haha! I forgot that more progesterone means more PMS symptoms! I never really get PMS symptoms, maybe that's the problem...

The usual way sounds more difficult lol, is there a reason for doing it that way and not sewing to the sides first?

No plans for the weekend, except sewing and house cleaning! Looking forward to putting the dress together and really hoping it fits. I think after sewing the lining to the sides, I'm gonna sew the neck and shoulder parts together first, then it gives me a chance to see how it fits before sewing it all together. How about you? Guessing you'll be starting your Christmas outfit?

I was hoping they'd get to 100°C. The only way is up!

You've got a good number to test with tomorrow (hopefully) and the next few days. Maybe I should order more too. I don't think one is enough, and I have very little faith in ICs.

Ooooh noo! I really hope it isn't AF for you! Your LP was so good last cycle, I don't know why it would get shorter, it makes no sense. Some people get medium flow implantation bleeds so if it turns red but doesn't turn into a full blown period, I'd still hold out a little bit of hope 😔 If you don't test tomorrow, I'll wait until 14 DPO (if I can)

Thank you. I think constipation is the pregnancy symptoms and I'm having the opposite of that, so it's probably that huge dessert box that did it 😂 No new symptoms of note. Nipples are still sore, I'm probably still smelly and CM hasn't dried up. But I generally feel normal. Apart from the spotting, anything new happen today? Any loss of appetite?

I wouldn't mind the mild, respectable PMS symptoms, like... (can't think of any), because it lets you know your hormones are doing what they're supposed to. But every month I get tender breasts and I hate it!! You should definitely count yourself lucky. In fact, if you had to choose from the following, which one would you choose:

Emotional and behavioral signs and symptoms

• Tension or anxiety
• Depressed mood
• Crying spells
• Mood swings and irritability or anger
• Appetite changes and food cravings
• Trouble falling asleep (insomnia)
• Social withdrawal
• Poor concentration
• Change in libido

Physical signs and symptoms

• Joint or muscle pain
• Headache
• Fatigue
• Weight gain related to fluid retention
• Abdominal bloating
• Breast tenderness
• Acne flare-ups
• Constipation or diarrhea
• Alcohol intolerance

Gosh that list is depressing... It's hard being a woman!

Yes, you have a much neater inside because all the seams are hidden behind the lining like the attached photo (found the image on google). It's quite a good idea to sew the lining together first because you can use that to gauge fit. Which is what people generally do.

My town is about to go into tier 3 tomorrow, so not much planned. Pretty much the same as you, tbh, I'll definitely be starting that Christmas outfit - I'll probably just make something up as I go along. My best ideas are born out of pressure. Has your lockdown tier changed?

100°C 😂😂

I always like to have a few FRERs in the house, so I don't feel guilty wasting one if it's negative. Yeh ICs are rubbish, they're only good for satisfying the urge to POAS!

I'll probably wake up early as I normally do, so will let you know what happens! Don't feel you need to wait until 14DPO but do what you feel most comfortable with. I know I definitely couldn't wait that long!

Haha oh no! Did you finish the dessert box? No new symptoms for me, definitely haven't lost my appetite 😂. Oh dear I don't think I have a favourite from that list 😂. I don't know if it is lucky because it probably means my hormones aren't doing what they're supposed to 😕.

Ah I see, maybe it is better to sew the lining together first, I'll have a look at some tutorials.

Mines staying in Tier 2 but we're not really going anywhere anyway. I got my hair cut last Saturday and town was heaving, huge queues outside every shop. So won't bother going back anytime soon. Will going into Tier 3 have much impact on you?

I need to start doing the same and having at least 4 FRERs at home.

I hope you don't feel too stressed about it all and are able to get a good night's rest. I'll probably sleep rubbish so maybe I'll be back at 6am again. With how nervous I am, I'd probably wait until AF is actually late before testing.

Yeah we finished the dessert box today - it did take a while. No wonder it says for 4 to 6 people, they definitely weren't exaggerating.

Ooooh c'mon, choose at least one. I think the alcohol intolerance is the best out of a bad bunch.

Let me know how you get on with the lining. Always happy to help even though it's quite hard trying to explain things through mumsnet.

For me, personally, no. I don't go out much so being in tier 3 changes nothing for me. But I suppose with shops and restaurants closing, others may feel harder impacted. You're probably doing the safe thing staying in this weekend, people will be trying to get last minute Christmas shopping in and I'm sure it would be more packed than last weekend. Did you manage to find gifts for your brothers?

I guess tomorrow we'll be 10dpo with more updates to share. Let's hope it's positive ones! I know my temps will fall, I just hope it isn't too much of a drop 🤞 and I also hope that your spotting doesn't get any heavier.

Spotting got heavier last night, DP got curious that it might be an CP so I did a test this morning and it was BFN. Also af has got much heavier now and my temp came right down this morning. I don't know what went wrong this cycle, my temp stayed fairly low throughout most of the luteal phase. I'm so disappointed that my cycle was only 23 days with an 8 day luteal phase 😭😭.

I'm wondering whether to call the GP on Monday and start the ball rolling with investigations or to try for one more cycle first 🤔, what do you think?

What is your temp today? How are you feeling? If you do choose to wait to test, if your af hasn't arrived by 14DPO then there's a high chance you'll be pregnant 😀. You've had a definite improvement this cycle so keeping my fingers crossed for you 🤞.

I wasn't sure whether the alcohol intolerance meant you'd get drunk easily or if you'd get worse hangovers. I would probably choose appetite changes and food cravings, that doesn't sound too bad!

Thank you, I'll let you know how I get on with the lining 🙂.

That's good that the Tier 3 won't impact you too much, probably a good job you've been staying in if cases are rising.

I managed to find gifts for the 2 eldest brothers, with the younger ones I'll probably take them out somewhere when covid is over. I won't see them on Christmas day anyway so hopefully they won't mind! Have you managed to find a box or something else to transport the chilli and tomato plants?

Oh no! I'm so sorry! What a nightmare of a cycle 😔 I really did hope AF would stay away. And as terrible as it sounds, at least a CP would have given you an answer as to why this cycle was strange. I really was hoping for better news.

I'm not sure what you should do. I would maybe suggest you trying SMEP just in case it's just your timings. You never know what your DPs sperm quality is like so DTD more may help cover all your bases. At the same time if your gut is telling you to talk to your GP, then maybe you need to.

I slept terribly today, as expected, but I did manage to get a temp. It increased to 36.83, so I suppose 100°C isn't out of the realm of possibility. But I don't think I'll test today. Especially since it's such a rubbish day for you. I'd just rather we focus on you 💕

I'm not sure what the alcohol intolerance means either. I just thought it meant the same as you but the food stuff is a good choice too!

Ah that's great then! Good thing you managed to get some gifts during this Christmas madness and I'm sure the little one won't mind! I think he'd really enjoy whatever you have planned. I haven't found a box yet but I'm sure I'll find something soon!

I'm a little apprehensive to try the SMEP because I don't want to make DTD too rigid but maybe I'll make an effort to do it more this cycle! We did do it quite a bit around ovulation though. I think it's more an issue with not producing enough progesterone but I'll only know for definite with tests. I'm gonna drown my sorrows in bucks fizz for breakfast 😂😂😂.

Oh no I wonder why you keep having poor sleep 🤔. What do you think could be causing that? Oh wow it went up again 😂, your progesterone levels must be really good, I reckon you'll get a longer LP this cycle and hopefully a BFP!

Aww that's very sweet of you but I don't mind, I'm eager to know if yours is positive 😀! If you tested on 11 or 12DPO that would also give pretty accurate results 😊.

We have loads of cardboard boxes from deliveries, mostly from presents to myself! I think I've bought myself more presents this Christmas than I've bought anyone else 😂😂. Did you manage to get any good deals in the Black Friday sales?

I think you should work on just getting it done. Seriously, forget the romance. It will feel like a chore but you'll have other days to make DTD feel as magical as you want. Unfortunately it's the sacrifice you make yet once I'm pregnant, I won't be thinking about how regimented all the DTD was. A fertlised egg won't know the difference between making love and getting shit done 😂 Sorry for the overt honesty but I've had to make a conscious decision to throw all romance and comfort out of the window. But romance isn't dead! You can still make it fun but if you're not in the mood, that sperm will still need to find a way to meet that egg!

Anyway have a think about it, the only thing is your really short cycle and LP - so strange that it regressed. Did you do anything different with your Vit C? Maybe try other vitamins too? I'm taking loads, I even have a pill box and it makes me feel like an old woman.

Maybe you can take your charts to your GP and show them that you're ovulating but your temps aren't high enough so you suspect it's progesterone related and ask for a progesterone test. There are also some kits you can order online. Superdrug do one. It might be quicker to go down that route than waiting for referrals then once you get your results back your GP can then have more concrete evidence to go off.

I completely support your alcoholic breakfast! Have a glass for me too! And do something lovely to look after yourself today.

Oh, I get really anxious and start struggling to stay asleep. It happened around this time last cycle but now I have these unexpected temps completely freaking me out! I took an IC and got a BFN so I don't know if I want to waste my one and only FRER. I could just order more to be honest. If AF doesn't start tomorrow I'll either be late or I'll be having a longer LP. So maybe I'll test on 12DPO.

My nipples were throbbing this morning. I just had this sharp pain pulsating through them. If this is PMS, I'd like to swap it for something else please. That alcohol intolerance is looking pretty good.

Haha! Continue treating yourself! If you don't who else will?? I still don't know what to get DH for Christmas. Have you gotten your DP anything? Yeah, I got a hairdryer brush thing on the black Friday sale. It works so well! Money well discounted! What did you buy?

I think I'll be out tomorrow 😔 went to check my CM, which is currently like EWCM and I don't think that's good. My cervix is also hard and I saw two pinprick sized dots of red blood in my CM. I spotted last cycle at 10dpo and AF came the next day so I expect my temps to drop tomorrow too. Might be joining you with a bottle of alcohol very soon 🥂

Hey sorry for late response, had a really busy day! I've almost finished the Christmas dress, just need to sew the main part and the lining together, eeek! After doing the dress we then spent hours in Tesco doing our normal weekly shop and a Christmas shop and bumped into my Mum who wanted to chat for quite a while! Feel exhausted lol.

I hope you're okay, that's interesting you've had some EWCM, that would be caused by estrogen so possibly not a good sign. Late last night I had some weird EWCM that was really dark red. Have there been any changes this evening?

DTD more certainly won't hurt but I don't think that's the problem, something's wrong with my hormones to be having such short luteal phases. I'm probably gonna contact my GP next week and see if I can get the ball rolling with some fertility investigations. These things always take ages so I might aswell join the queue now!

Oh no is there anything you could do to help the anxiety? It's a vicious circle because more anxious you get the less you sleep but the less you sleep probably contributes to feeling anxious ☹️. Maybe stay up late sewing until you feel really tired or try going on a long walk during the day. I sometimes struggle to sleep but it does help if I've done some exercise.

How are your nipples feeling now? Your spotting could be implantation so don't lose hope yet, your temps were so good I'd be very surprised if your af came tomorrow.

DP and I agreed not to get each other much this Christmas, I've got him a couple of small gifts (clothes) but that's it. Do you know if your DH has got you anything? I got a printer/ scanner in the sales, can tell I'm getting old when I get excited about a printer 😂😂. I also got the sewing machine just before the sales, I figured they were so popular this year that they probably wouldn't reduce for Black Friday and they didn't, so glad I didn't wait!

How has your day been? Have you started on your Christmas outfit?

Hope you ended up having that drink, I think you deserve it!! 🥂