9DPO Symptom Spotting

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Hey @ButterscotchBabe! Continuing our chat here 😁

I loooove that your temps did exactly what mine did too. So good that AF hasn't arrived at CD26!! Happy for you! When your temps increased last month, was it is to a gradual high or did it jump up again and then AF started? Because if this pattern is new, it could mean good news!

Ours definitely look like the beginning of a triphasic chart. My temps last month started dropping at 7DPO, so it still being high at 9DPO is such an achievement for me and no sign of AF either although my vulva feels AF'y in a weird way. My pulse and breathing rate have also continued to shoot up!! If temps don't tell you AF is coming, pulse rate defo will because it always starts falling a few days before AF for me.

I do suspect chemical but no BFP so can't confirm and nothing else changed that cycle so I can't explain it. Hormones were defo the reason I never took the pill, it plays such a big part in changing your reproductive cycle that of course it would have an affect on cycles after you come off them! 45 day cycles sound like a nightmare - especially when TTC too.

I do have a FRER! I'm always so scared to use it though. I always use rubbish ICs which probably aren't the best thing but I will use my FRER with you!

I like predicting what my temps will do with DH. What do you think will happen tomorrow? I think both our temps will go up again 😆

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Yaaaay! That's amazing! I can't wait to see it! Were you able to find a good tutorial to help you out with the lining? Were there queues in Tesco? Hours sounds like a long time. Or were you there for hours because you bumped into your mum? That's cute though! It's lovely she's not too far from you. We're now in Tier 4 over here so not sure what to do about Christmas!

I'm fine! It was a false alarm. Last cycle, the spotting continued for the whole of 10DPO and 11DPO until AF started. Yesterday, it pretty much stopped immediately and I haven't seen anymore since. That's not to say AF won't still start today! My CM has also dried up, so that bit of EWCM may have just been random. Do you usually get EWCM before AF is due??

Aww, I really wanted you to find inspiration in cutting out the romance (haha I sound terrible) but you're right, if there's something wrong, it's better you get the help sooner rather than later. Are you going to tell your GP you've been trying for a year? In the meantime, will you continue TTC like normal? Maybe while you're waiting for a referral you'll actually end up conceiving! I think you should DTD on ovulation day - this was the one day I was always missing for some reason. Hopefully it'll make a difference this cycle. I just feel really bad, this is my third cycle and I already feel terrible, I don't want you feeling like that but worse. I'm sending lots of hugs your way. Hopefully, if there is an issue, it's easily rectifiable. Maybe you'll get prescribed progesterone - that's usually a quick and easy solution and it won't be a stressful or invasive process either. Maybe look into B100-complex vitamins to take in the meantime? That's the one I hear helps quite well too. I'm taking a whole concoction so I can't say for definite which one is helping me.

Yup, you're totally right about the cycle of sleeplessness and anxiety. Today was worse. I woke up at 4am, synced my fertility bracelet and couldn't get a reading because I hadn't had at least 3 hours sleep. So I gave in and took 4 Kalms tablets. Started feeling super drowsy but couldn't fall asleep! I must have then dozed off eventually. Woke up at 8:40am and finally managed to get a temp reading. Then I was in and out of sleep until midday. Not sure how I'd cope if I was actually pregnant. My anxiety would be through the roof! And I wouldn't be able to take Kalms either! Do you get nervous during the TWW?

I don't think getting myself really tired will help because I'm already so exhausted yet I still can't stay asleep for long. How have your nights been? Hopefully your AF isn't too uncomfortable?

Each time I woke up this morning, my nipples would feel so so so sensitive. I'm not sure what's going on! They've been like this since 2dpo and they haven't gotten better or worse with my increasing temps/higher progesterone. My temps did go slightly down this morning. It could go either way tomorrow, it may dive down towards AF or bounce back up towards a BFP. Have your temps continued to go down?

I don't think DH has bought anything for me yet, but I don't think I want anything either. Haha! I completely get the excitement. When we bought our vacuum cleaner, we were so chuffed at how good the suction was. Couldn't stop vacuum cleaning!! And a good printer is definitely excitement-inducing! What inspired you to start sewing?

My day was ok. It's my neighbours (good friends) birthday today so we went over last night, chilled through the evening and then sang and gave her gifts at midnight. I haven't started putting together a Christmas outfit but I did finish the other garments. The trousers looks and fits great. The top I don't really like because a sweetheart neckline does not suit me! I'll just have to make it work somehow.

Hehe I would have loved a nice cocktail actually but I stuck to having soft drinks and water. Let's see how the rest of the day pans out. If AF doesn't show up today, then my LP will be the longest it's ever been. Fingers crossed!

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The dress is almost finished! I didn't follow any tutorials for the lining I just kinda guessed as I went along but I did follow your advice and made the dress and the lining separately. I wanted to sew the lining up at the end however the lining and the dress fabric don't completely match so it's caused it to bunch up at the side. So I think I'm gonna have to undo the bottom and sew up the lining and dress separately.

Yeh my Mum ended up chatting to us for around half an hour, we did get some funny looks from people, whoops. Then it took ages to agree on Christmas food and pick our normal weekly food. Oh no that sucks you're in Tier 4, so I'm guessing it will just be you and DH on Xmas day. You'll have to get some nice food and drink in (if you're not pregnant of course).

That's great the spotting has stopped and probably good you haven't seen anymore EWCM. I don't remember seeing EWCM before af but I do often get it whilst on period. I think it's because the hormone balance changes from high progesterone back to high estrogen.

Really hoping your af doesn't arrive, then at the very least you'll get an improved luteal phase 🙂. When do you think you'll do a test? You'll be 12 DPO tomorrow, that's a pretty reliable time to test, I'm really excited for you!!

Before I met my DP I had 2 long term relationships (not at the same time 😂😂) and I never fell pregnant (wasn't trying but wasn't stopping it either), so I think I'll say to the GP that I've had suspected issues for many years. Hopefully they'll be willing to start investigations now and not make me wait a year. Yep we'll continue trying in the meantime. Yeh that's a good idea, I'll have a look into B vitamins, I'm gonna end up needing a pill box 😂😂.

Oh no, I really feel for you, lack of sleep is awful and it's difficult to get out of the cycle. Do you think having a couple of weeks off work now might help? Without needing to be up for work, hopefully you won't be as stressed when trying to fall asleep.

I do get anxious/nervous about things but not necessarily during the TWW, I get annoyed if af arrives but I don't get nervous about it. Maybe I will after a few more months! Night's haven't been too bad for me this week and af has been pretty much painless. I'm normally in agony with my periods, I can only put this down to the vitamin D I've been taking with folic acid. Apparently vit D reduces period pain.

Oooh that's interesting you've had sensitive nipples since 2 DPO and still have them, I think you should test soon! I see your temp is still quite high, I didn't take my temp this morning as woke up much later than normal.

Are you able to amend the sweetheart neckline to something you would prefer? Maybe you could put something over it?

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Oh lovely! Your dress is coming along pretty well! Yes, it might be better to hem the dress and lining separately. But apart from that, it looks very well done. Onto bigger projects next! What are you thinking of moving onto?

Plans with Christmas are still up in the air, we're still deciding what to do. But we'd need to make a decision soon so we can go food shopping!

I went through my messages with DH and saw that my last AF started at around 5:30pm. Obviously that has no bearing on when my AFs should start but the closer I get to the end of the day, the more nervous I feel! Come midnight, my LP would be at least 11 days long. I think I might wait until 14DPO or even 15DPO to test. Maybe I won't test at all! I'm basically trying to delay it for as long as possible because I still believe AF will show up. My labia and uterus are so achy but that could just mean AF is coming!

I've never been pregnant before either! And although I've been suspicious of my fertility, I'm not sure how convinced a GP would be. Maybe you can say you tried for a while with your previous partner and since you're also struggling with your current partner, you suspect that there could be something going on with you.

Yeah, I definitely feel having 2 weeks off will help as I won't have that pressure to try and sleep and wake up at a certain time. I'd still prefer to fall asleep at a reasonable hour though 😪 Any suggestions on how to handle the anxiety?

I can attest to the vitamins helping with AF cramps, my last AF was so painless and I've never had that before, so it must be the vit D for me too.

I probably won't make any changes to the top. I may pair it with something else so the outfit isn't a coord anymore. A new combination may help with how it looks.

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I have a another dress pattern and a top pattern, so will move onto those next! It's becoming very addictive 😂.

Yeh I wouldn't leave it too much longer or there might not be as much choice left. There was still quite a lot in Tesco last night, although people in Tier 4 may do more panic buying.

Try to relax and think about things other than TTC, worrying about it won't change the outcome. You've almost gained an extra day of luteal phase which is great! Don't torture yourself by holding out to test, you're feeling anxious and struggling to sleep, I think you would feel better if you knew either way?

When I'm anxious or overthinking things, I try and think happy things, so I might do some reading, wedding research, look for sewing ideas, anything to take my mind off what is bothering me. Also baths are very relaxing, especially with candles and maybe some bubbles. Finally I might ask DP to give me a massage or some light strokes. So if you haven't already, maybe try some of those things.

I hope you feel better soon and fingers crossed you are pregnant but if not, don't worry, it's still very early days, it doesn't indicate that anything is wrong 🙂.

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My temps pretty much did what I've been expecting. I sort of knew it was too good to be true. AF is in the process of starting now. Oh well! 11 day LP is still an improvement.

Hehe sounds like you're really enjoying making clothes. It is a nice hobby to have. What pattern are you using this time?

Oh gosh, we had terrible panic buying last time here! It was a mess. Hopefully people have more sense this time.

I actually worked so hard at falling and staying asleep! Tried practicing mindfulness and clearing my mind every time it started drifting. I still woke up at 6am though. But maybe now that AF is starting I'll be able to stop worrying about it and get some sleep at last!

I did try reading. Even asked DH for a massage. Did a bit of aromatherapy too. I don't really think they worked for me 😅 but thanks for the suggestions either way!

Back to sleep I go!

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Another false alarm! I think I'm going to put this back and forth to an end and finally take an FRER tomorrow whether my temps go up or down. Enough is enough. I'm exhausted.

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Oh no sorry to see your temp come down today, I did see this happen on some of the pregnancy charts, so you're not out until af arrives. I think for your own peace of mind though it might be good to do a FRER if af doesn't arrive today.

I think once you know the result you'll be able to sleep a bit better but you don't want to be going through this every month. If you've tried relaxation techniques and nothings working, it maybe worth a phone call to your GP?

I called the doctors today and asked if they could start some tests and possibly a referral but they will only refer couples who have been trying for a year. I couldn't lie about this because they might be able to see from my record that I was on the pill. They also said that the fertility clinic only offer IVF to couples who have been trying for 2 years and there's a long waiting list. So not a good result, basically they won't do anything till it's been at least a year. I think we'll try for a few more months and then possibly go private but it's around £5K for IVF and storage of frozen embryos. So we'd have to take it from our house deposit which is depressing. Definitely gonna have to do some hard saving these next few months!

I've attached a pic of the fabric I'm gonna use for the next dress, it's a lovely soft cotton. I'm also planning on buying a fashion sketchbook so I can start doing my own designs 😊. The trickiest thing will be getting sizing right! Will you still be making a Christmas outfit if it's just going to be you and your DH?

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Actually the fabric is viscose not cotton! The more fabric I buy, the more difficult it's gonna become to remember them all!

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This is the furthest I've ever gotten. And tomorrow will be CD29/13DPO. I'm not sure how I feel about it though, it feels like my body is playing games. I'm late based on LP and cycle length but I've no BFP to show for it. I should see something on an IC by now, right? 😪 All I have is meaningless spotting that comes and goes as it pleases. I'm sure my temps will throw another curveball at me tomorrow.

Would a GP be able to do anything? My anxiety and insomnia is basically self inflicted. On a normal day, I sleep like a baby. The only cure right now is AF - until the next LP 😅 but I'll be fine. I just feel like a rubbish wife right now. I haven't even cooked or done any housework - DH has been doing everything. I've just been so useless. I'm so tired 💤

Oh man, that's really annoying. I really hope it doesn't come to that. I know IVF can be physically and mentally stressful. In the meantime you can get private checks done for you and your DP. If there's nothing wrong then you'll know all you need is more time. If they've spotted something, maybe you'll then be able to share the results with your GP and kickstart things that way. If you have no luck with that then maybe consider IUI before considering IVF. It's cheaper and I think it's basically a procedure that inserts the sperm right into your uterus - basically artificial insemination - and then maybe with the help of a progesterone prescription you'll conceive that way. I did look at costs and was so relieved that it wasn't like £10,000 but I suppose it adds up if you have to do loads of cycles. But going into your house deposit really sucks and I'm sorry that that's something you may have to do. It's such a tough predicament.

That fabric is gorgeous. I can imagine a cute maxi, V-neck, wrap dress in that. Or a lovely mini A-line or skater skirt with a V-neck bodice and capped sleeves. What do you have in mind for it?

I think it'll just be DH and I so I probably won't be needing an outfit. I'll buy us some matching PJs to wear all day instead. I've been thinking about my next project and I have this stiff fabric, it feels like Nylon but heavier and textured, and I know it will hold its shape well. I want to pair it with an air mesh fabric to create a dress with a poofy skirt and a bodice that is diagonally half that fabric and half the mesh. It makes no sense but I think it'll look amazing. I love working with unconventional fabrics.

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I think I remember you were having small bits of spotting last cycle? Nothing was coming out but you found some? If so, is this spotting different? Normally af would arrive within a day of spotting starting, so if af hasn't arrived by tomorrow morning, definitely test with a FRER. If it does arrive tomorrow, that's still amazing that your LP has extended by 2 days?

I guess all a GP could do is prescribe sleeping pills, which maybe useful in the TWW! I think possibly the reason I'm not as anxious about it is I've always suspected I might need IVF, so I have a plan B ready in my head. I'm sure you will have absolutely no problem getting pregnant but to help the anxiety, why don't you think of a plan B, so what you will do if you haven't got a BFP by .... Then each cycle you don't get a BFP, you're closer to your plan B 🙂.

I'll probably go straight to IVF rather than IUI, reason being is DP can put sperm pretty close to my uterus, whereas the harder journey is for sperm to then travel through the fallopian tubes, meet an egg and then travel back down. With IVF you skip all that process and put the embryo straight into the uterus. We'll probably give it another 3 cycles and then start the process.

Well I was going to follow a pattern I bought but you've got me thinking maybe I could do something different with it! I might do what I did with the other dress and loosely follow the pattern but make some changes 😀.

I can kinda imagine what you're describing, do you sketch a drawing of an outfit before buying the fabric, to get an idea of what it will look like? Do you get all your sewing equipment online? I haven't looked online yet as there's a fabric and sewing shop quite close to me, so it's nice to look at and feel the fabric in person.

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AF is here! Finally 😅

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Oh no, I'm sorry your af has arrived. I hope you can feel positive knowing your luteal phase has extended. You can have that drink now! 🥂

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So looks like it's an 11 day LP. I think that's pretty good. I also had a really long cycle, which is much better than 23 days! I'm hoping my progesterone levels are much better now.

I guess a plan B is a good idea. I'd have to think about what mine would be. I'd want my DH to be checked as he's in the obese category and I'm worried about his health. I'd probably get checked too although I've had gynaecological examinations and I'm anatomically fine. I wouldn't aim straight for IVF but I'd consider all the options. Why have you suspected you might need IVF?

Ooo experimenting with your patterns. Sounds like an awesome plan and it's a good way to learn how to manipulate patterns to create what you want.

Tbh, the fabric mostly inspires the garment. I can loosely visualise what would work on a certain fabric and then I'll draw a terrible sketch of the idea. But it's mostly in my head. Yeah, I pretty much buy everything online. You can check out Minerva Crafts. They're an online store and are really lovely.

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Midnight! Looks like it's actually CD29 as AF didn't actually start 😱 tomorrow, I test!

It'll probably start in my sleep but I'll let you know how I get on anyway. Goodnight!

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Ah okay, what made you think it had started? Did the spotting get heavier but then stop? Oooh I'm excited for you! Good luck!!

You might struggle to get NHS funding with DH in the obese category as the criteria is very strict but there are no restrictions if you self fund. There's plenty of time to change that though, maybe a healthy new year's resolution? I'm definitely going on a diet in the new year 😂.

I think by not getting pregnant in the 7 years I was with previous partners, has led me to believe something is wrong and so I accepted a long time ago that I might need IVF.

Thanks for the suggestion of Minerva crafts, are the prices shown per 0.5m length?

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Yeah the spotting stopped before I went to bed last night but I've woken up to a full flow AF so I've definitely, 100%, no doubt about it, started! What a strange cycle. I wonder what happened?? Is your AF finished? I think this cycle we may be out of sync.

28 day cycle and 12 day LP. With spotting on 10dpo and 12dpo. Strange!

He just likes food and wine too much. I'm not sure what to do. I have tried but it's always a short lived effort then the weight goes straight back on. We'll probably go private, whatever we do. I think first steps will be to do tests for both of us. Already sent an email enquiring. There's no point wasting time if his sperm aren't going anywhere or my hormones aren't doing what they're supposed to. I agree about going on a diet, I might join you, well I won't eat different, I'll just get back to weight training.

I did have concerns about never being accidentally pregnant as I was never on birth control but I was also actively trying to avoid my fertile days (which I now know was calculated all wrong) and I think my partners were good at the pull out method. But with how hard it is to get pregnant on purpose, you can't be surprised that getting accidentally pregnant hasn't happened. But it doesn't mean you're infertile. It clearly just takes a lot of luck to get pregnant.

I think it'll show if it's per m or per 0.5m. If you scroll down to the info box and look for quantity, it should say 'per meter' or something.

We got our mortgage offer for the new house, which is amazing. Back to focusing on house stuff now.

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Oh no, that was a bit of a rollacoaster! Even though it wasn't the outcome you wanted, I hope you feel a bit better now you know. Yeh my af finished today, it's a shame our cycles are now out of sync but we could never have predicted my cycle would be so short and yours would be longer! It will be interesting to see when ovulation happens, our cycles could get closer if I ovulate late and you early.

Haha I can totally relate, I like food and wine too much 😂😂. If you're doing the cooking, you could try bulking out meals with veggies and using tomato bases rather than cream, although Philadelphia light is awesome! Chicken, turkey, fish and prawns are the lowest calorie, highest protein meats, best to have beef, lamb and duck occasionally. Last year I put in a lot of effort to get to a size 8, I recorded absolutely everything I ate (which was a pain) but you learn a lot about what's in food. Now thanks to bloody covid, I'm back where I started!

It's really pot luck, some people get pregnant easily and for others it's so difficult. On Facebook today someone was announcing their pregnancy and commented on how quick it happened 🙄, that really annoyed me. I can understand people are excited and want to share their pregnancy news but don't gloat about how easy it was! Also they have only just found out, as they shared a pic of the pregnancy test so they're taking a risk announcing it to the world that early.

Do you think you'll start tests soon? Do you have a choice of fertility clinics near you? We only have 1 in Devon and they also see NHS patients, so it's probably pretty busy 😕.

Yay that's great news!! Do you have an estimated move in date?

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I feel sad. I know 3 months isn't a long time but I just have this unshakable belief that I'll never conceive. My friend got pregnant 3 months after coming off the pill. I've never taken hormonal contraceptives so I thought my cycles might be fine but I'm not so sure anymore. I don't even understand what happened this cycle. Are the vitamins doing their job now? Does the sore nipples and higher temps and longer LP = more progesterone? Who knows!

Lucky you for finishing AF! Time to fish the OPKs out. Where are your temps now?

I don't think the diet is the issue. We both had a workout and meal plan created for us. We weighed our foods, recorded our calories. We stuck to it and lost some weight. I continued working hard but he stopped. I think it's a motivation thing. He needs to want to lose weight - There's not much else I can do. You can lead a horse to a river blah blah blah. Will you be going back to tracking everything you eat?

Ugh who even does that? What a strange and almost selfish thing to do. I don't think people understand how hard some women have it. Lucky for her, her ignorance is bliss. Terrible. I hope you're feeling a little less annoyed now! How is your DP finding everything. I don't know if men ever understand the impact a failed cycle has on us.

Yes, after my first cycle tracking temps and seeing my LP was 9 days, I registered at a fertility clinic. Now we're going to book some fertility tests. £500-something for all the tests for both of us. Yeah, we have a few clinics within the Berkshire area but we're not too far from London either so we'll easily find somewhere. Sucks that your nearest clinic could be overcapacity.

We're aiming for March but any time before then would be perfect! I need to figure out how to house train my rabbits or else DH will banish them to the garden 😭

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I think you can be pleased that there was a clear improvement and evidence that your progesterone was higher (sore nipples, high temps). That said, my 4th cycle showed a big improvement but 5th cycle then reverted back! However as you've not taken hormonal contraception it should be easier for your body to get back on track.

My temp was high this morning but I had a few drinks yesterday and alcohol always raises my temp, so I'm gonna ignore that one. Oddly the last couple of days I've been really spotty and most the time I don't get spots. I remember when I first went on the pill my skin broke out in loads of spots, due to the change in hormones. So I wonder if I'm getting spots due to change in hormones again, hopefully this is a good sign!

Yes that's definitely true about the motivation, I used to smoke and my Mum was always moaning at me trying to get me to quit but it wasn't until I actually wanted to quit that I did it. Maybe when you have a little one he'll want to run around and play games with them which may help with the motivation.

I'm an all or nothing person, I either put my all into something or I don't bother, so I think to be successful at losing weight I'll have to track everything again. It's annoying though as it takes so much time and because we eat the same food, DP ends up being put on a diet with me 😂 but he doesn't need to be!

I think DP is fine, he's not too worried about it all but he has accepted that we may need to have IVF. What does your DH think of it all? Is he happy to have some tests? Although I think it's only one test for men! That's lucky you've got a choice of places, hopefully you won't have to wait too long to be seen.

That's really lovely to have your new house to look forward to, the next couple of months will fly by! I don't know if you can house train rabbits, I think if you keep some poo in the place you want them to go, then hopefully they'll associate that area as the toilet but it's not guaranteed!

I added some pockets to my Christmas dress, I think it really finishes the look! Ive bought some stretch material, as a beginner I was advised against it but I've gotta learn at some point! Do you have any tips for using jersey cotton? I know I need to change the needle, will have to refer to the instruction manual for that!

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Girl, as an experienced seamstress, even I'm against it. It's really tricky and you can't use a straight stitch to join seams. All the hemming I've done the stitches always rip out. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid - That is my advice.

Or buy an overlocker - that's pretty much the easiest way around it. I've never used my overlocker with stretch fabric but I think I'll give it a go... one day... in the far away future.

But the pockets on your dress definitely add a nice touch. I hope you're proud of yourself, I think for one of your first projects, you've done really well. Round of applause

I wish our bodies would just do one thing and stick to it. New symptoms are confusing. Maybe in your case it could be the foods you're eating causing spots. Any changes to your diet?

With your diet, do you have a meal plan that you stick to? I'm really bad at coming up with new things to eat. Cooking for kids is going to be a nightmare for me because I'm so uninspired when it comes to food.

My DH is fine as well. He believes it will happen but because this isn't something that calls into question his womanhood, he has no reason to worry. If he suffered from erectile disfunction then maybe he'd get how I feel. He is happy to take tests but I like being in control so I'm in half a mind to buy a microscope and have a look at his semen myself.

The few times we've brought the rabbits inside, they've been very well behaved and pooped in the right places, but it's the chewing of cables and curtains and furniture that I'm worried about! DH would kill me!

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Haha well I've bought it now so I'll have to give it a go! I have thought about getting an overlocker but I've got too many other things to save for at the moment. Thanks, I hope the next few projects go the same way 😊.

No change to my diet so that's what made me think possibly change in hormones. One can hope!

I don't have a meal plan, I make calorie/fat/protein/carb goals on My Fitness Pal app and then eat foods that keep me within the allowances. So even though nothings off limits, you have to be quite careful with your choice as a slice of cake would probably hit the max of fat and carb goals! When not dieting I find BBC Good food are really handy for recipes, you could have a look there?

😂😂 I think you can trust the fertility specialists if they say his sperm is fine, although it would be quite cool to see them under a microscope! Yes unfortunately this process is very much more a woman's issue, men's bodies are simple so not as much can go wrong 😂.

You planning on doing SMEP again? Will you be doing anything different this cycle?

Ahh yes the chewing... I don't think you can train rabbits not to do that, you'd have to watch them all the time or put them in a room where they can't damage anything! Does your new house have a utility room or a conservatory?

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Yeah we used to do that too! We did IIFYM. So we could only have x amount of carbs, fat and protein. My Fitness Pal really helped with that. It was great but the diet was very simplistic and we were eating the same thing day in and day out. I do look on websites but nothing ever catches my fancy. I'm just not a huge foodie and would honestly prefer eating the same thing everyday to avoid thinking about food. What has been your favourite recipe you've found? Maybe I'll give it a go.

I'm the type of person who would learn everything there is to know about something so I can make an informed decision. Plus, there's isn't anyone I trust more than myself, so best believe I will be asking for copies of whatever they recorded off the microscope so I can do my own analysis.

Actually, my fertility is completely out of my hands now. I've deleted all the apps off my phone and given DH complete control. So he'll call all the shots. Every morning, I'll give him my fertility bracelet so he can sync my data onto his phone and enter my temps into FF. Then I'll give him my OPKs before the lines start showing and he'll take the pics and put it in the premom app and update FF. When he feels it's best to DTD, then we DTD. Wish me luck!

Are you trying anything different this cycle?

The house has a garage and two cellars but I'd hate locking them somewhere that's just concrete. Or I could just give them away and get cats instead 🐱 Do you have any pets?

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www.theendlessmeal.com/creamy-coconut-chicken-curry/

This is one of my favourite recipes and it's really easy to amend, I often add extra veggies such as spinach, peppers and butternut squash.

Lol you might struggle to interpret the results though? Just thinking a lot of medical tests involve numbers and words most people aren't familiar with, so it might be difficult to understand to an untrained eye.

Haha omg that's a cool idea! If I did that DP would be saying everyday we need to DTD 😂😂. How do you think you will cope with DH having the control? Do you think it will stop the anxiety in the TWW?

I don't think we'll do anything different, I've cut my vitamin C down from 1000mg to 500g a day. 1000mg is way above the recommended daily allowance so I don't think I need that much.

The garage would probably be okay if you put some blankets under the cage and if you had an outdoor pen it wouldn't be far to carry them. We don't have any pets, I'd like to have some in future when we have our own house. I'm not keen on outdoor cats though as they kill wildlife and wildlife is struggling already with humans taking over. Rats are lovely pets, I used to have a rat and he was so sweet. He'd follow me round the house, if I lay on the bed he'd climb up and lie next to me. He acted more like a dog 😂.