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Advice for Women That Have Come off the Pill - Share your Experience :)

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MintGreenLife · 16/06/2020 09:51

Hi all,

I came off the pill two months ago, and after having a completely haywire 2nd post-pill cycle, I've been doing a lot of research to try and understand what's going on.

I thought it would be nice to share my research and what I believe is happening to me, in hope it might help others. I also thought you might like to share your experience and how you found/are finding coming off the pill, as being able to read that other people experience similar can be really comforting. So here's me...

I'm 31 and TTC DC1.
I came off the pill early April, had my withdrawal bleed a few days later, then first natural AF came 30 days later, so a 30 day cycle. First AF was very light and started and finished with brown spotting. Only lasted 4 days.

I'm now in cycle2 currently on CD37. I didn't ovulate until CD33! The day after ovulation, my boobs and nipples were agony. I'm now 3DPO and the pain is worse.

I recalled this pain the last cycle too, which I wasn't tracking. I assumed it was a sign AF was coming, as it arrived 5 days later. But from this cycle I now know it's actually a sign I've ovulated, so this would mean an extremely short luteal phase on that first cycle.

My research has included reading 'Taking Charge of your Fertility'.
I also found this article extremely helpful in understanding what goes on in your body when you stop the pill, as well as learning things you can do to take charge of your cycle again: avivaromm.com/post-pill-reset/

My sore boobs and possible short luteal phase points to an oestrogen dominance, which causes low progesterone.

This sums up why this happens:

'While not a symptom in itself, nutritional deficiencies can cause a host of symptoms – including hormonal imbalances. They are also a problem for women who come off the pill hoping to get pregnant right away because low nutrient status has been associated with fertility problems, and low nutrients in mom can also mean low nutrients in baby. The pill has been associated with robbing a number of nutrients including B vitamins and magnesium.

Hormonal birth control pills can deplete the body’s stores of certain nutrients, including vitamins B2, B6, and B12; vitamins C and E; magnesium, selenium, zinc, and folate. Vitamin D levels may also drop after coming off the pill.'

Understanding what is going on with my body right now has made me feel so much better. If I were to have a normal luteal phase this cycle, I'd be on track to have a 48 day cycle! The sore boobs tell me I'm probably going to have a short luteal phase though.

I've also learnt how hormones control the whole cycle. With oestrogen being the important hormone during the first half. It builds up and when it reaches a certain threshold it triggers the LH surge. Once you've ovulated, then progesterone kicks in. This cycle I had three LH surges in total spaced 12 days apart until I finally ovulated. Oestrogen and Progesterone have to be perfectly balanced, and so I think the three LH surges could indicate that my oestrogen kept building up over and over until my body finally managed to ovulate, causing an oestrogen dominance. I finally confirmed ovulation after three high temps.

As of a few days ago, I'm following some of the steps in the article I linked, by taking a prenatal multivitamin to replace depleted nutrients. I already take probiotics, vitamin D and folic acid, so will continue with those and will add in vitamin C too. I've cut out low fat dairy instead choosing full fat, and am trying to focus on eating at least 2 pieces of fruit a day and extra veg with my lunch and dinner. I may also look into including a b6 supplement for my luteal phase next cycle if it does turn out to be short again this cycle, as this helps with progesterone and during the luteal phase progesterone spikes to dry up cervical fluid, change the cervix position, stop anymore eggs from being released and build up the lining, so is really crucial.

Hopefully this will help someone :) would love to hear how others are finding coming off the pill x

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MintGreenLife · 28/07/2020 21:55

@TheDaydreamBelievers for me they have been a sign AF is coming - happened last two cycles about 3/4 days before I got AF x

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TheDaydreamBelievers · 28/07/2020 21:57

To be honest I would be THRILLED if AF came @MintGreenLife! Fingers crossed haha

MintGreenLife · 28/07/2020 21:59

@TheDaydreamBelievers hope it is AF for you! Mine were so sore towards the end of my last two cycles just showering was uncomfortable. I mentioned above that mine feel a bit sensitive today, so am thinking my body may be giving up on the idea of ovulating and AF will be here soon x

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Juno231 · 29/07/2020 06:47

@TheDaydreamBelievers fingers crossed that's AF in that case! I thought sore nips was progesterone related fwiw 🤷‍♀️

Got my crosshairs on FF so it's confirmed Sunday as my ovulation day but my temp rise has been loooow. Fulling expecting it to be false, even though I've seen plenty of pregnancy charts starting off the same way 😬

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MintGreenLife · 29/07/2020 08:35

@Juno231 that's still a clear three temps above the coverline though ☺️ Mine was still on the high side for me this morning at 36.45 and above the coverline. If I sort out those two temps I took later, the one on 5DPO is below the coverline, and the one at 6DPO is just on it. Not sure what to think really x

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Juno231 · 29/07/2020 08:40

@MintGreenLife at least 5DPO could be a classic oestrogen surge - those are often below the cover line! Sounds to me like you're still in the game!

MintGreenLife · 29/07/2020 09:16

@Juno231 hmmm, well I have super sensitive nipples now which I had the last two cycles before AF, but if I can decide I ovulated and make it to 7/8 DPO I'll be pretty happy, as sure a short luteal phase will improve as my cycle improves. Maybe I did ovulate after all then, just seems my temp hasn't managed to increase much since the dip at 5DPO. I was careful to take my temp at the usual time today too, must try and work that out for the next cycle! Nice that we are at a similar stage in our cycles then, I mean DPO-wise, not CD! x

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lawandgin · 29/07/2020 14:58

Well I have no idea what to think now... no bleeding at all today so do I call that a 2 day AF?! Or a heavy case of spotting...who knows. Anyway, I wasn't going to bother with OPKs yet, but something made me do it - and I've just had the strongest lines to date. Still very much a negative, but showing as 21% on Femometer - and I've never had a reading above 13% before... will test again later to see what's going on (although I've scared myself witless reading a PCOS thread last night!)

MintGreenLife · 29/07/2020 17:08

@lawandgin in my last cycle I had three LH surges, which is what happens in PCOS, and then this cycle my LH level seemed to build up over about 15 days but I never got a positive. The 'period repair manual' explains that you can end up with a temporary post-pill PCOS which can be caused by not ovulating after the pill. I do think it's possible that's what's going on with me, but am not particularly worried as it can be reversed and just takes time x

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MintGreenLife · 29/07/2020 17:12

@lawandgin I also saw someone else say on another thread that a very light and more 'brown' period is likely because of not ovulating? That's what my first AF off the pill was like, and next one ended with brown spotting, but I had three days of light red flow x

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lawandgin · 29/07/2020 17:28

@MintGreenLife - I'm fully expecting multiple surges if I get any at all - I think you are right about post-pill PCOS. As you say, only time will tell. Just got a bit excited about finally seeing a decent pink line!

I just realised I didn't reply to your last message - Bristol is lovely. I used to love living in London, but once we moved I just found going into London five days a week irritating and exhausting. Before covid I would work from home usually 3-4 days a week and avoid London as much as possible. Now I think most employers realise that employees do (generally speaking) work just as hard, if not harder, at home! There's no way I will ever go back to five days a week in London. The fact that most nurseries around here are open 7.30 - 6pm means I would have to start late/finish early anyway as my commute is an hour and a half each way!

MintGreenLife · 29/07/2020 17:33

@lawandgin just because it's happened that way for me doesn't mean it will for you too :) apparently we always have low levels of LH anyway, and I think you can get darker OPKs during AF, although I may have made that up!

No worries :) ahh that's good you were able to work from home lots before anyway. Hopefully as you say lots of companies will realise they can run businesses just as efficiently if not more efficiently with people working remotely. It makes the work-life balance so much better! x

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TheDaydreamBelievers · 29/07/2020 21:50

With "post pill pcos" would you expect to still have AF? @MintGreenLife

I think my body tried to do ovulation but didnt - opks have gone up then down again. Temp above cover, below, above. "An attempt was made"

Now, period or no period? My guess is none.

MintGreenLife · 29/07/2020 22:00

@TheDaydreamBelievers I'll reread the section tomorrow and see what it says, but I guess with PCOS you can have very long cycles, so possibly not. In my second cycle off the pill my body seemed to try to ovulate three times if you're going by OPKs, this cycle as well I've had five seperate occasions of EWCM for a few days at a time, so seems similar this cycle in a way, that my body kept giving it a go. I'd really reccomend that book by the way, think it was about £10 on Amazon and goes into all sorts of AF issues including info about not getting AF. I'll recap it and get back to you x

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TheDaydreamBelievers · 29/07/2020 22:06

Sorry @MintGreenLife - which book was it? I think I will maybe start reading more etc at the 6 month mark. At the moment trying to manage my anxiety etc

MintGreenLife · 29/07/2020 22:20

@TheDaydreamBelievers it's called 'the period repair manual'. To be honest a lot of the content might just make you feel worse about not getting AF, as a big chunk of it is about how a healthy period should look and how to improve things like PMS etc. I'll look at the relevant chapter again and send you anything that might be helpful x

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Flowerkm · 30/07/2020 08:17

Morning everyone 😊 sorry I’ve been quiet, work was busy yesterday but I’ve thread through everyone’s comments and caught up. How is everyone doing today?

So I think my AF is coming this morning, really bad cramps and slight bleeding. Today would have been CD25 so have I had a 24 day cycle or a 25? I’m thinking 24 as today marks CD1 for my new cycle? Sorry if that’s a silly question.
I ovulated on CD13 so was expecting a cycle more like 27 days so it’s come earlier that I thought. Just wondering what this AF will be like now, whether it lasts a couple of days or will be 5 days’ worth. I hope it’s good to me and not a horror one as first one off the pill..xx

MintGreenLife · 30/07/2020 08:39

@Juno231 so my bbt seems to have recovered itself today to 36.62 ☺️ Also this is probably slightly frowned upon, but I had one higher temp from around 12 days ago - I took it around 7.30am instead of my usual 4.30am, and I had a few drinks the night before. As I said to you before I don't really drink and on the occasion that I do it seems to make my temp a lot higher the next day. I never marked it as abnormal so I adjusted it from 36.4 to my average of 36.3 and if shifted the coverline down and added the solid crosshairs. So because of that I think the 5DPO temp would have been just under the coverline and the 6dpo just over (if I adjusted them to be lower from taking them later). Feel like I can confidently say I'm 8DPO now ☺️ X

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MintGreenLife · 30/07/2020 08:42

@Flowerkm morning ☺️ Lovely to hear from you.

So today would be CD1 I think, although apparently you're not meant to count spotting as your first day of your period. My first two (and only) AFs off the pill were light, so hopefully yours will be OK ☺️ Keep us up to to date with how it's going!

I just sent an update about my BBT/chart above to Juno. I feel like I can confidently say I ovulated now and am 8DPO 😀 Xx

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Juno231 · 30/07/2020 08:47

@MintGreenLife sounds great! For abnormal temps like that I just tick the "temperature discarded" box so it's still there but doesn't count towards anything. A 3h difference would have made a huge difference in temp so probs best not to include it!

My temp went up to 36.61 today which made me happy, feels like I can finally relax about having ovulated on Sunday! Even femometer changed its mind today and confirmed ovulation via bbt (it had refused to before).

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MintGreenLife · 30/07/2020 08:51

@Juno231 ok brilliant, I'll do that in the future ☺️ The other temps with the triangles I think were generally taken 30-60 mins earlier or later, so hopefully that doesn't have too much of an impact. I've been better the last few days at taking it at the exact same time so will carry on with that for my next cycle.

Can't tell you how happy I am that I seem to have ovulated! We DTD the day before ovulation too, so feel like I could be in with a shot. Just hoping my luteal phase is decent now. Think if I make it to at least 10DPO I'll feel happy. Nice that you're not too far behind me DPO-wish too 😀

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Juno231 · 30/07/2020 09:06

@MintGreenLife ah yes actually if you look at my chart I have a weirdly high temp in my FP I discarded.

I'm really happy you've finally ovulated! If you're lucky this could be it 🤞. I'm in with a chance too as we managed to DTD on O, O-1, O-3 and O-4, but from my previous cycles I know that means feck all in terms of BFP 😂.

Was thinking the other day how cycle 9 will be tough cause I'd have reached the point where I could actually have been giving birth if I'd caught on my first cycle like all my friends seem to 🙊

Flowerkm · 30/07/2020 09:10

@MintGreenLife Ah yay! That’s brilliant news 😃 I bet you’re so relieved at that, that graph looks really good. You’re already on 8DPO so that’s looking really promising to get to 10! Mine was 11 days (if I ovulated when I think I did) I know 10 is a good phase as well but I just wanted to be a little more over but I think that’s just in my head as actually 10 is perfectly fine and considered ‘normal’ on google. I need to stop googling stuff as now I think I have a short cycle, I just wanted it to be a little more closer to 27 lol

Thank you for the suggestion, I’ll see how it goes over the next few days to whether I count this as day CD1 or not as might be heavier tomorrow so probably will class that as CD1 but cramps are stepping up a gear now so probably will be today. Will keep you posted 😊

Really happy you have that good news, that’s such a massive step in the right direction. @Juno231 nice to see you've had good news as well and seemed to have ovulated xx

MintGreenLife · 30/07/2020 10:02

@Juno231 thanks so much :) we DTD O-1 and O-3. It's so tough but every now and then, especially as my cycle is dragging on with no ovulation I start getting a bit lax on DTD, so we only did it twice during the fertile window, but I guess that could be enough! Annoyingly as well we used pressed about a week earlier as I was getting EWCM and thought we would give it a try, but we didn't use it in the days before ovulation. I really hope now I've ovulated I will get back on track a bit better.

Oh that will be tough. When you get going on TTC it really makes you wonder how some people catch straight away as it seems to complex when you think about it, so much as to line up! I guess it's just like everything in life, some things come easier for others and are harder for the rest. Will be keeping my fingers crossed that this is your cycle! I'm currently sipping on a mango, kale, spinach and sunflower seed smoothie and nibbling on brazil nuts, as hear the seeds and nuts can help in the TWW!

That's a point actually - my brother is coming to see us this weekend with his new girlfriend. So far when I've thought I've been in the TTW I haven't drank anything at all. and generally I'm having maybe 2 glasses of wine a month at the mo. What's your approach on drinking during the TWW? Now that I've finally ovulated I don't want to do anything wrong! xx

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MintGreenLife · 30/07/2020 10:10

Thanks @Flowerkm :) only thing is I've had sensitive nipples a few days now, and think last few cycles I've had them around 4/5 days before AF, but we shall see. It's kind of nice suddenly being 8DPO as during those whole days I was like 'Did I, didn't I?' So didn't feel like I was in the TTW.

I think 11 days is great! A couple of books I have read said it's common to have a short luteal phase the first couple of cycles off the pill. Looking back now and considering my very first message on this thread, I do think perhaps I have been ovulating every cycle, because every cycle I've had EWCM followed by sore nipples followed by AF a few days later, so I think I may have been managing to ovulate, but then I was having an extremely short luteal phase of like 3-4 days, which would make progesterone all out of whack as not enough time for it to increase. Really hope now I'm having a decent luteal phase that I will be more on track from here :)

I spoke to someone else who had the same thing happen on another thread - she said her first two luteal phases were just a few days, then she got to 7 days and then she conceived. Not that it'll work out like that for me necessarily, but it's good to know it's happened to someone else and it worked out OK.

Yeah just wait and see, it's brilliant you've had AF though and that you weren't waiting too long!

Thanks, I feel so relieved and feel like I can feel a bit more positive about everything now :) xx

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