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Advice for Women That Have Come off the Pill - Share your Experience :)

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MintGreenLife · 16/06/2020 09:51

Hi all,

I came off the pill two months ago, and after having a completely haywire 2nd post-pill cycle, I've been doing a lot of research to try and understand what's going on.

I thought it would be nice to share my research and what I believe is happening to me, in hope it might help others. I also thought you might like to share your experience and how you found/are finding coming off the pill, as being able to read that other people experience similar can be really comforting. So here's me...

I'm 31 and TTC DC1.
I came off the pill early April, had my withdrawal bleed a few days later, then first natural AF came 30 days later, so a 30 day cycle. First AF was very light and started and finished with brown spotting. Only lasted 4 days.

I'm now in cycle2 currently on CD37. I didn't ovulate until CD33! The day after ovulation, my boobs and nipples were agony. I'm now 3DPO and the pain is worse.

I recalled this pain the last cycle too, which I wasn't tracking. I assumed it was a sign AF was coming, as it arrived 5 days later. But from this cycle I now know it's actually a sign I've ovulated, so this would mean an extremely short luteal phase on that first cycle.

My research has included reading 'Taking Charge of your Fertility'.
I also found this article extremely helpful in understanding what goes on in your body when you stop the pill, as well as learning things you can do to take charge of your cycle again: avivaromm.com/post-pill-reset/

My sore boobs and possible short luteal phase points to an oestrogen dominance, which causes low progesterone.

This sums up why this happens:

'While not a symptom in itself, nutritional deficiencies can cause a host of symptoms – including hormonal imbalances. They are also a problem for women who come off the pill hoping to get pregnant right away because low nutrient status has been associated with fertility problems, and low nutrients in mom can also mean low nutrients in baby. The pill has been associated with robbing a number of nutrients including B vitamins and magnesium.

Hormonal birth control pills can deplete the body’s stores of certain nutrients, including vitamins B2, B6, and B12; vitamins C and E; magnesium, selenium, zinc, and folate. Vitamin D levels may also drop after coming off the pill.'

Understanding what is going on with my body right now has made me feel so much better. If I were to have a normal luteal phase this cycle, I'd be on track to have a 48 day cycle! The sore boobs tell me I'm probably going to have a short luteal phase though.

I've also learnt how hormones control the whole cycle. With oestrogen being the important hormone during the first half. It builds up and when it reaches a certain threshold it triggers the LH surge. Once you've ovulated, then progesterone kicks in. This cycle I had three LH surges in total spaced 12 days apart until I finally ovulated. Oestrogen and Progesterone have to be perfectly balanced, and so I think the three LH surges could indicate that my oestrogen kept building up over and over until my body finally managed to ovulate, causing an oestrogen dominance. I finally confirmed ovulation after three high temps.

As of a few days ago, I'm following some of the steps in the article I linked, by taking a prenatal multivitamin to replace depleted nutrients. I already take probiotics, vitamin D and folic acid, so will continue with those and will add in vitamin C too. I've cut out low fat dairy instead choosing full fat, and am trying to focus on eating at least 2 pieces of fruit a day and extra veg with my lunch and dinner. I may also look into including a b6 supplement for my luteal phase next cycle if it does turn out to be short again this cycle, as this helps with progesterone and during the luteal phase progesterone spikes to dry up cervical fluid, change the cervix position, stop anymore eggs from being released and build up the lining, so is really crucial.

Hopefully this will help someone :) would love to hear how others are finding coming off the pill x

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MintGreenLife · 26/07/2020 21:45

@TheDaydreamBelievers brilliant news! Sound hopeful and well with DTD. I too think I have finally ovulated. I've had several high temps in a row and my apps have put me at 4DPO. I'm not wanting to be overly hopeful until I get at least another high temp, as don't want to feel disappointed again, but think come tomorrow if I have another high temp I will feel confident confirming ovulation ☺️ X

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Pip1903 · 26/07/2020 21:52

Thank you 😊...yes defo agree think it's coming off the pill that's causing the problems. I was so lucky last time as didnt suffer any complications from stopping it I think I just naively thought I'd be the same.
Just wondering do any of you ladies take any pre conception vitamins...I'm currently taking seven seas trying for baby tablets..I've read good and bad reviews..regarding changing cycle length x

TheDaydreamBelievers · 26/07/2020 21:53

Hey @Pip1903 - I take folic and vitamin D. So important to be on folic. I'm also considering if I should add any others!

MintGreenLife · 26/07/2020 22:17

@Pip1903 I take a specific one in the book 'it starts with the egg' they are expensive though - £40 a bottle and that lasts two months. I'll try and find the name if of interest. I also take additional Vit D and ubiquinol as well as additional zinc which is reccomended in 'the period repair manual' to help Post-pill. By the way I would really reccomended both of those books! X

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MintGreenLife · 26/07/2020 22:18

@TheDaydreamBelievers meant well 'worth' DTD above!

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MintGreenLife · 26/07/2020 22:22

@Pip1903 @TheDaydreamBelievers this is the prenatal I take if of interest: www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B01M3Q83PG?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title&tag=mumsnetforu03-21

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Pip1903 · 26/07/2020 22:29

Thank you both.. will look into those.😊 x

Juno231 · 27/07/2020 06:51

@TheDaydreamBelievers that sounds promising!!

@Pip1903 I second what mintgreen said - odds are you hadn't ovulated and that's why you're having a long cycle.

Woke up to a high temp this morning instead of a dip as expected. Now I can't decide if the wine I had last night messed up my temps, if it means I ovulated last night or if it means I haven't ovulated at all potentially. I guess my next two temps will be telling 😅.

crabette · 27/07/2020 08:04

This is such a helpful thread!! I stopped my pill in June, thinking I was getting married end of July, to give my body a bit of time to adjust before TTC after our wedding. Had my withdrawal bleed and then my first 'real' period mid-July, but it was very light and only lasted a couple of days.

We've now postponed our wedding til October... but I don't want to start taking the pill again for just a couple of months when my body is just starting to get back to normal! - so I'm trying to take the time to get to know my cycle a bit better. I'm also a bit stuck between conflicting experiences of folk having difficulty in conceiving after being on the pill, or being super fertile!! I'm keen to conceive asap, and wouldn't mind being pregnant at our wedding - but also have an expensive dress that I need to fit into in 3 months time, so I'd like to not be visibly pregnant! It's difficult to know what to do.

I find mumsnet can be quite intimidating with all the acronyms on TTC! But I've finally figured out OPK/LH testing, and I'm going to start that today alongside checking temp, to see if I can figure out how my cycle is going before properly TTC.

What is a luteal phase? And how do you check this?

Flowerkm · 27/07/2020 08:31

@MintGreenLife Sounds really promising! Hope the temp was high this morning? Aww, love Labradors, soo cuddly! Glad you ticked off some things to do on the wedding list 😊

@Pip1903 Hey! I’m only using OPKs at the moment and I tend to do them around 10am and 7pm (luckily working from home so this helps me out) some of the tests don’t need first morning wee but some do so just make sure you read the instructions depending on the test. However, like MINT said BBT is probably the most accurate way but I haven’t started this yet but I’m heading in that direction to try. I think for me, what confirmed ovulation (I hope anyway) was pain on my right side the evening after I got my morning peak.

@TheDaydreamBelievers that’s amazing news! 😊 plenty of DTD then. Fingers crossed that you peak over the next few days, keep us posted. I’m also on Folic Acid and Vit D but also trying to eat more high fibre foods etc.

Hey @crabette glad you’re finding this helpful. Congratulations on your wedding in October. Very tricky decision as you could be super fertile, maybe try a month before so you’d only be very very early if you were to fall straight away?
I agree with all the acronyms, but getting there slowly. I did find a useful website that broke it all down actually, I just googled Mumsnet acronyms which was actually really useful.
Luteal Phase is the time between ovulation and your next period. ‘The luteal phase begins as the egg starts travelling down the fallopian tube. The phase ends when your next period begins’ So some people have really short phases and some can have long. I have an app which is helpful as it tells me what part of the phase I’m currently in, I use Femometer but I know a lot of people also use Fertility Friend.

MintGreenLife · 27/07/2020 08:35

@Juno231 I haven't really been drinking at all since TTC, but I had just a couple a few weeks ago and that made my temp spike!

So my temp went down this morning!! It's almost like I predicted it given that I wasn't happy to confirm ovulation with myself until a few more high temps to avoid disappointment 😢 It's gone back down under the coverline. Don't know what to think really. I guess AF could be coming and I've had an extremely short luteal phase, which is what I thought was happening in my other cycles, or I didn't ovulate and my high temps were just anomalies, or today was an anomaly and it'll be back up tomorrow 🤷🏻‍♀️ Who knows!

I guess with you there's a small chance you ovulated yesterday? As think it can happen the same day as a positive OPK x

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MintGreenLife · 27/07/2020 08:41

@crabette I've had a similar situation to you - we were due to get married in September, and we've had to postpone to next year. I came off the pill in April and in May we decided to start trying as we were fairly certain our wedding wouldn't be able to go ahead, and if it did I figured I would probably be able to hide a 1-3 month bumb. We are still going to have a small ceremony this year, but the'proper' wedding day isn't until next September. I was hoping we might be lucky and catch quickly as that would help us with timing for next year, however things haven't gone back to normal since coming off the pill 😢 It's frustrating but not unusual I don't think. Hopefully you'll get baxk on track quickly xx

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MintGreenLife · 27/07/2020 08:42

@Flowerkm my temp went back down again! Absolutely no idea what to think now 😢 I said I was holding off confirming ovulation with myself to avoid disappointment, but of course feeling pretty rubbish about it 😔 Xx

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crabette · 27/07/2020 08:52

@Flowerkm thanks! Yeah I don't think we'll properly try til the month before - I've started using Natural Cycles app? So you can apparently use that for 'contraception' too, by doing the opposite of what you'd be doing to get pregnant - tracking your temp and lh testing to see when you're fertile or not, so you know when to DTD with / without condoms.

They ask you if you're actively TTC or not, so they give you red days and green days - when TTC, green days are when to definitely DTD. When you're actively not TTC, your fertile days are red, and you need to abstain or use condoms on those days. I thought this might be a good way of trying to manage it in the short term, and getting used to LH testing / temp checking in advance of TTC. Not sure if that's similar to Femometer? I don't think it gives phases though, so I'll check it out!

I've been googling acronyms as I come across them, but a one page reference guide would be good!! Grin

crabette · 27/07/2020 09:02

Aw @MintGreenLife sorry to hear about your cycle fluctuations, and your wedding too. The wedding postponements are so difficult, I think particularly in terms of the impact it's having on 'family planning' for a lot of people. Lots of people asked us why we won't just postpone til next year, and the answer is we want to TTC! But that's pretty personal information that I feel now we have to divulge, and I'm already steeling myself for the constant questions post wedding on whether I'm pregnant, as we've had to be quite open about it. I've got a fitted dress, so I'm limited with what I'll be able to hide if it did happen right away! But don't want to regret putting things off much longer, as I know lots of friends who've struggled, particularly in their 30s, which I am. Hopefully just letting my cycle get back to itself will help, and being mindful of where my cycle is meantime in terms of other contraception. Hopefully you have a gorgeous little baby to help you celebrate next September!!

Juno231 · 27/07/2020 09:20

@MintGreenLife what dpo are you today in theory? If 5/6 DPO ish it could be your second oestrogen surge? I see those frequently dip below the coverline on other people's charts. Key thing would be for it to bounce back the next day. It's what people often confuse with implantation dips - I had a big one at 8 DPO last cycle I think.

Femometer is assuming yday was ovulation day so fingers crossed that's what it was. I had wine on Fri/Sat evenings too and had no temp spike so you'd think it shouldn't have affected my temp today either but I always find something new to worry about Smile

@crabette welcome! See how natural cycles suits you but I will say from all the charts I've seen, FF is the best I've seen so far. I'm a big fan of femometer as well for the OPKs :)

crabette · 27/07/2020 09:25

@Juno231 Thanks! It's Femometer OPKs I've ordered, so I'll maybe check that out.

MintGreenLife · 27/07/2020 09:40

@Juno231 I should be 5DPO. Interestingly I googled this morn and found exactly what you have said 😂

I've attached my chart so you can have a look and see what you think. Fertility Friend actually didn't add the crosshairs until I plotted today's temp and has kept it just on the coverline, so that app seems to think it looks ok, whereas my Premom app added the coverline a few days ago and today's temp is below it. Hopefully your theory is right, but going to mentally prepare myself that I could get AF later 😕

Haha I'm the same, like today's temp! There's always something to Google and overthink. You're probably right then - I'd expect today is your temp spike and yesterday was ovulation day ☺️ I think where I haven't been drinking much lately it effects me more - last week I had a glass of cider and then two small glasses of wine and my temp went up and I felt pretty ropey the next day 🙄 X

Advice for Women That Have Come off the Pill - Share your Experience :)
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MintGreenLife · 27/07/2020 09:45

@crabette I totally get where you're coming from! My dress is really fitted too, but I was hoping I wouldn't show until after 3 months...perhaps that's wishful thinking ha. Doesn't really matter now anyway given that we've had to postpone, I am already slightly worried about timing for next year though, as don't want to be a few months postpartum or past 3/4 months pregnant...postponing has made everything quite complex. I would feel awful if I couldn't wear my dress after spending so much and going to so much effort to find it, but then also I don't think I want to pause TTC either. Who'd have thought we would end up in this position! I'm in my 30s too, so that puts even more pressure on doesn't it. Hopefully it'll work itself out for both of us xx

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TheDaydreamBelievers · 27/07/2020 09:55

Hey @crabette - Im using natural cycles too! Although the app is currently super confused at me (for context Im the current high scorer for MIA period after the pill, currently CD131!).

My temp continued to rise this morning, now sitting at 36.67 (my flat line temperatures were all 3.27-36.31). Will take an OPK this afternoon and see.

Juno231 · 27/07/2020 09:59

@MintGreenLife ha I'm glad I wasn't talking cack! I note your crosshairs are dotted though which means FF isn't 100% sure yet so could still change!

MintGreenLife · 27/07/2020 10:02

@Juno231 ah interesting! This is my first cycle using FF. I just used Premom last cycle and wanted something else to compare and see if things looked different. Well for me looking at it my temps are clearly higher, but then I've had a few dips. Really hoping AF doesn't show and it goes back up tomorrow!

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crabette · 27/07/2020 11:01

@MintGreenLife It's all just so hard to predict! Impossible to know when you'd show, and also how you'd feel? I initially said I'd be fine being pregnant on the day, but then spoke to a friend who said she wanted to hibernate with nausea at 8 weeks pregnant and couldn't think of anything worse than that getting married at that stage lol. But then other folk are fine and don't show at all til after 3 months! It's just an added complication with trying to second guess what your body is going to do. I want a baby badly enough that I'd deal with the nausea - I just also would feel awful not being able to wear my dress! And I'm similar to you in that I think hopefully as it's a first baby, I wouldn't show til around 12 weeks. So I'm being careful for the next couple of weeks (though we're useless with barrier contraceptives, so it's a bit of a farce!) and then I think I'll relax into properly TTC. I just don't want to be taking the pill any longer without knowing how it's affecting me. Just wish I knew if it was going to be super easy to conceive and I should be trying to prevent it still, or if it's going to be an uphill battle and I should be going for it right now. Uncertainty is the killer! You still have a good few months to conceive before you need to think about your September date in terms of whether or not you want to put a short pause on things - and hopefully it works itself out before then!!

@TheDaydreamBelievers I can't believe your CD131?! Have you not had a period at all since stopping? I had short withdrawal and then a very short, light (albeit very crampy) period - so I'm not sure if it really signified anything happening or not, or it was just an illusion! Your temperature looks really promising - let us know the OPK?! Everything crossed for you x

TheDaydreamBelievers · 27/07/2020 11:24

Yeap @crabette - none at all!

The (abbreviated) history of me post pill:

Came off pill in March. Had the withdrawal bleed then ... nadda! GP did bloods -all hormones and androgens fine except prolactin a bit high (at pregnancy levels). They've referred to gynaecology but said it may get bounced as it hasn't been 6 months.

crabette · 27/07/2020 11:35

@TheDaydreamBelievers I'm so sorry you're going through that with limited help from gynaecology - it's crazy they bounce things til 6 months. Hopefully you get some more good signs coming out of today's developments.

It's really weird adjusting from a 15 year mindset of 'must not get pregnant, one missed pill means I'm probably pregnant' to... actually, this might take a bit of work to achieve, and all your efforts to not get pregnant all those years now have side effects that we didn't really tell you about. Wish there was a bit more honesty / clarity.