Temping Buds 8 'We will make it off this thread Eventually!!'

[RahRah1]

Ready is having difficulty in getting on the other thread due to length of it, so started a new one.

I am confused! My temp went back down today (36.59 from 36.78) so maybe I haven't OV'd after all. I know Clomid can mess up your temps, but thought that was only at the beginning when you are on the medication.

Could I have OV'd anyway even though the temp has gone down? It was around 36.52 before Monday's spike so it hasn't gone right back down.

I suppose I will have to just keep on BDing and try not to get too bothered (although I felt shattered this morning after seeing the temp - I feel like I will never OV!)

I have only OV'd once since my MC (in March!!) After getting PG first month after coming off the pill and thinking I was super fertile this is hard to take!

Minxi 36.3° CD5 LP14 (15th cycle)
NappyValley - 36.48° CD9 LP9 (15th cycle)
LittleSquirt - ° CD9 LP? (3rd cycle after ERPC)
Thinking ? ° CD12 LP12 (2nd cycle/No Longer in Limbo Land)
Ready - 35.93° CD13 LP12 (13th cycle)
nh101 - ° CD15 (1st cycle)
Gracie - 36.66° CD18 LP12 (12th cycle)
Rattling - 36.7° CD19 3DPO LP10 (21st cycle)
Rah - ° CD25 LP12 (10th cycle)
ZamMummy - ° CD35 11DPO LP11? (6th cycle since MC, 2nd cycle TTC BFP
Duchesse - C CD36 (48th cycle)

Greetings All

Gracie have heard lots of good things about reflexology and if nothing else it is very relaxing. A lot of people who do it also do massage, so I suggest save money on OPK kits and book in a back and shoulder massage and reflex near the mid of your cycle and enjoy. You deserve it!!

Minxi how it all went ok. See below for comments on our trip to clinc as I think I have the same thing booked in but they called it a HyCoSy (as in Hi-cose-e).

Ready blood tests last month showed very low progesterone levels so GP reckoned I was no OVing

Trip to clinic
Yes just back from trip to clinic with DH. Arrived on time but not seen for ages as consultant did not turn up on time! So rude. Anyway moving on had a medical history taken etc and finally saw consultant who was impressed by my wad of FF charts and said that he had just reccomended that website to another patient, but said stay off the chat rooms. I agreed and told him to send them to MumsNet instead!!!!!

Moving on he confirmed that yes if you have a biphasic chart you are ovulating even though my FSH and Progesterone levels are low. Basically my body is getting on (ONLY 33) from a fertile point of view and hence the problem. He does want DH to do a sperm test and for me to have a HyCoSy and although there is a 3 month wait, they have a cancellation for tomorrow and as we hve not got around to any sex for weeks, I am good to go. (minix- the no sex bit is to ensure you are not pregnant before the procedure I was told) So the Pregnancy Panda is doing her thing and I have my check tomorrow and DH is doing his in a couple of weeks. kThe follow up appointment is in MARCH, so we will probably swithc to private if the tests come back with anything that we can do anything about. Otherwise he was very positive and said that there is no need to be despondent and keep going.

got to dash have a counselling appointment.

ttfn and thanks Ready for the great info on the procedure.

Hi Nappy

All seems pretty positive. So glad they managed to fit it in tomorrow and that he was impressed with your charting!! Mine did not even look at my charts.. He is V rude! . He has seen us several times over the last few years, preformed a procedure on me and even did my first scan when I was pregnant with Bertie and to top it all off did tests on me when Bertie died and still did not even recognise me or make any attempt to acknowledge either me or my husband. And to top it all off he did not read our file before we went in, so he had to refresh his memory as we went along! I have one word for him, but will not put it on here. It is so unfair having to deal with people like him when you are in the pit of despair and your world is crumbling around your feet... Oh and the word begins with B!

Sorry for my rant - I hate rude consultants!! GRRRRRRR

Well I had the procedure and all was fine - it didn't take very long and tubes are patent - which means all is perfect?! So will carry on as normal this month as early on in cycle....then will see consultant again on 9th October...he may increase dosage of clomid or just see what happens...but feel much better

Forgot to temp this morning - a bit nervous.
minxi - gald all went well and there are no problems with the plumbing.

Rah - I totally sympathise with you. I think consultants forget that they are dealing with real people. Maybe that is their way of coping but it really is RUDE and unnecessary. I was really nervous of the consultant as he seemed really late and grumpy but actually when we met him he was very good. To the point but not unfriendly and wanted to amke sure I had not given up hope. Sorry that yours was so unfeeling Rah. I wonder if the consultnants treat their private clients the same way????

Back home safe and sound. Procedure was not too bad but definately felt very bruised when I stood up. But they made me a terrific cuppa so I was very happy.

Couple of things to share with you guys...
1 - A HyCoSy has apparently the same point as an HCG, but is done using an ultrasound prode, that looks not dissimilar to something from and Anne Summers catalogue only longer!! They take a load of pics and look at them.

2 - Everything looked fine, but even the Gynecologist commented on the shortness of my Luteal Phase.She could see a folicle starting to swell and getting ready to do its thang (in about 6 days probably) which definately confirms the I am ovulating theory.

3 - She suggested that the next stage might be to do "Folicle Tracking". Anyone got the LowDown on that??

Hugs to all

Sorry about the bad appts with the consultants - just demand demand demand!!! It's the only way.

My temp went back up today (the highest it has been all month - 36.89 from 36.6ish) so maybe I have OVd after all. Here's hoping!

Hi all. Just passing through. Am sadly not on day 36 of cycle 48, but day 6 of cycle 49 (to the tune of "Another one bites the dust"), but the period was weird, lighter than usual and lasting only a couple of days, and I confess to having hoped for a repeat of the pregnancy that ended in miscarriage last year (apart from the actual miscarriage bit), that also started with a period. Not to be, alas, as all symptoms previously present have now slacked off.

But no.

Hope all of you ladies who are undergoing procedures are all as comfortable now as can be expected.

HI All

Nappy - so glad procedure went well. I will be undergoing follicle tracking with IUI, so we might be doing that at the same time. (we can compare notes)

Not sure if I told you all but telephoned the clinic this week and my treatment has been put back to Jan 08, as the waiting list has become longer. I'm less than impressed! Wish I had just gone private to start with, as the way things are going I think that might be the best option. Maybe then someone might speak to me like a human being. Its a bit of a shame if that is the case just because they are getting money for it!

Duchesse, sorry to hear you are on a new cycle. Same for me I'm afraid, CD1 work up very early this morning and started. GREAT BLOODY start to the day!

Hi to everyone else.

Hope all is well and catch you all later. Xx

Rah CD1 LP12 (11th cycle)
Duchesse CD7 (49th cycle)
Minxi ° CD7 LP14 (15th cycle)
NappyValley - ° CD11 LP9 (15th cycle)
LittleSquirt - ° CD11 LP? (3rd cycle after ERPC)
Thinking ? ° CD14 LP12 (2nd cycle/No Longer in Limbo Land)
Ready - ° CD15 LP12 (13th cycle)
nh101 - ° CD17 (1st cycle)
Gracie - 36.19° CD21 LP12 (12th cycle)
Rattling - ° CD22 5DPO LP10 (21st cycle)
Rah - ° CD27 LP12 (10th cycle)
ZamMummy - ° CD37 13DPO LP11? (6th cycle since MC, 2nd cycle TTC BFP

So sorry Rah and Duchesse being back at the top.

Rah - How frustrating for you having to wait longer, they have no idea how all consuming ttc is

Well who knows what is happening with my cycle, had huge dip at 4dpo this morning I'm sure I had ovulated and haven't been bding for last 3 days either so this cycle may be a complete washout but will have to wait and see tomorrow.

Hi to everybody

Rah - ° CD1 LP12 (11th cycle)
Duchesse - ° CD7 (49th cycle)
Minxi - ° CD7 LP14 (15th cycle)
NappyValley - ° CD11 LP9 (15th cycle)
LittleSquirt - ° CD11 LP? (3rd cycle after ERPC)
Thinking ? ° CD14 LP12 (2nd cycle/No Longer in Limbo Land)
Ready - 36.14° CD15 LP12 (13th cycle)
nh101 - ° CD17 (1st cycle)
Gracie - 36.19° CD21 LP12 (12th cycle)
Rattling - ° CD22 5DPO LP10 (21st cycle)

Rah - I am so gutted for you, sweets. I really am. Sigh. Plenty of chocolate and crap tv are the order of the day I think! Thinking of you petal!

Minxi - Pleased to hear that your tubes where patent and that the procedure went ok for you. I hope that my description helped you relax a bit. Although anything like that is nerve-racking!! Did you ask about continuing to try this cycle by any chance??

Gracie - Not that I am one to condone getting hopes up, but temp dips after ovulation can be a sign of implantation can't they?? Fingers crossed

Duchesse - It's lovely to see you, we've been wondering where you had got to. Obviously we wish that we were hearing all about your BFP. Hope that you are ok? Have you had fun whilst away?

nh101 - I would say, try not to focus too much on your daily temps - once you have a chart to look at it might make more sense? How long have you been temping?

nappyValley - Pleased that the HyCoSy went well, apart from the bruising of course. I had read that it was different to the HSG. So there is no dye involved with this procedure?? I wonder why some places do one, and not the other?? It would be interesting to know what different things can be seen etc.

How are you Rattling?? Any symptoms of note?? Fingers crossed

I've taken ZamMummy off the list, I hope that's ok?? But you are an official graduate now

Anyone seen LittleSquirt and Thinking??? Hope everything is ok??

Wow you guys know loads about this. I am such a beginner. I will tell you all a little about me, as I dont know how to sort my profile out. I am 40 years old (although I sue as hell don't feel it) I have had 5 miscarriages all around 5- 6 week period. Never seemed to have any probs conceiving which I knew was a blessing but now it seems impossible. I do my ovulations tests 3 times a day from day 7 until day 18 but nothing. I have had the 21 day progretrone test and apparently I am still ovulating, just haven't got a clue when Then there is the pressure for hubby re performing to order. It's one thing after another. any thoughts guys ??

Hi all. Forgot to temp AGAIN!!!
Sorry Rah and Duchese back to the top again.

Ready The HyCoSy does not have any dye and no x-rays. It only took about 15 minutes to do. It is a kind of sugary water that they use. Bruising was fine today, although slight spotting. Apparently according to the gyne HyCoSy is the more modern way of doing it, but I think HSG and HyCoSy determine the same thing. more info on comparing the two

Rah so sorry you are going to have to wait that long. Our consultant also does private work, so he basically said we could switch. Maybe it is not too late for you to investigate that without having to go back to square one. Just a thought. Feel for you and I do realise how incredibly lucky we were to get the HyCoSy so quickly!

Sunshyne - Welcome to the thread. Very sorry to hear about your miscarriages. 5 is tough going.
Have you tried charting your basal temperature before? I haven't got masses of experience with OPKs but the month I did use them I was so stressed my eggs did a runner, and my ovulation was delayed until CD19 - I have read that lots of people don't get on with them, so I would perhaps suggest you have a break from them, as they don't seem to be helping?
When you had your progesterone test, what was the figure? And was it on CD21? How long are your cycles normally? Are they fairly regular in length?
I hope I haven't scared you off with all my questions Just trying to see how best to advise. Good luck

Good questions Ready.

Welcome Sunshyne what an excellent name we need some sun round here some months.

I think the only way with OPKs is to simply use them as a guide and only ever do 1 per day at the same time each day. You should catch the LH surge that was, but no necessarily, and if not that is OK. My consultant was very anti OPKs as they are soo expensive and the cheap ones I have been using do not seem to work so well. HOWEVER if you chart for a couple of months you should be able to see if you have a biphasic chart - which is the posh way of saying your temp is lower at the start of your cycle and then jumps up after (24 - 48hr) ovulation. That will confirm ovulation. Obviously it cannot tell you WHEN you ovulated until it is too late but after a few months you start to see the pattern and most of us (I think) use it is a sign to stand down the attack and let the hubby have a rest!!! get onto fertilityfriend.com grab yourself a BBT Thermometer from Boots and come join the Temp Bud Party!

This is a thread where discussions from what colour to paint a kitchen to what sort of cervical mucus we have occur often in the same sentance. oh and we all seek sightings on the mysterious Pregnancy Panda.

You have been warned

Oh and for the rest of you I forgot to temp AGAIN, but have to confess that I was extremely hormonal yesterday and very teary. Possible side effect of someone poking and washing my ovaries????

Rah - ° CD2 LP12 (11th cycle)
Duchesse - ° CD8 (49th cycle)
Minxi - ° CD8 LP14 (15th cycle)
NappyValley - ° CD12 LP9 (15th cycle)
LittleSquirt - ° CD12 LP? (3rd cycle after ERPC)
Thinking ? ° CD15 LP12 (2nd cycle/No Longer in Limbo Land)
Ready - ° CD16 LP12 (13th cycle)
nh101 - ° CD18 (1st cycle)
Gracie - 36.77° CD22 5DPO LP12 (12th cycle)
Rattling - ° CD23 6DPO LP10 (21st cycle)

Hi all,

Welcome Sunshyne - Sorry to hear about your miscarriages, 1 I'm sure is awful enough but 5 thats lots of suffering for two people to be put through . I hope you get that BFP soon and welcome to the thread.

Ready - I may have been more hopeful if the dip happened further on but I think its too early to be a good sign, I still think that I ovulated on CD17 and temp is back up today so may have just been a stray temp. How are you doing anyway? Lots of bding I hope

Nappy - Sorry to hear that you were tearful yesterday I hope you feeling better today. These hormones of ours put us through a lot don't they.

Hi, to everyone else

Hi Sunshyne, welcome! I am new to temping too but have found it absolutely brilliant, this is my first month - and I know what you mean about DH performing!

Use fertilityfriend to chart your temps - it is very good (www.fertilityfriend.com). I got another high temp today and the chart says I ovulated on Sunday on day 14! Even though my temp went down on Tuesday it still reckons I OV'd Sunday. And we BD'd four days before, the day before and on the day of OV - so it says my intercourse timing rate is "high"

Fingers crossed!

Hi Ready - The progestrone test was done on day 21 the results came back as 28.5. which is apparently normal ?!

I think I will give the kits a break apart from costing a fortune they don't seem to be doing much else.

What is charting your basal temperature all about. I have seen you guys discussing it on here. But being new I am finding it difficult with all the abbreviations.

Hello Nappy - thanks for your hijack and alert on the other thread.

Good news about you ov'ing and also I am very heartened to hear that a biphasic chart does confirm ov'ing. What was your progesterone result when they thought you weren't? Mine was 24.1 and gynae said I was not ov'ing. Had a lap and dye last week and he said ovaries were looking quite smooth which confirmed his diagnosis but my charts are definately biphasic. I have been taking prescribed chinese herbs and having acupuncture for last 3 1/2 cycles and herbal specialist says I am definitely ov'ing due to temps. Infact over last four cycles the quality of my charts has improved enormously - www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1b2720 - so really believe herbs, acu, diet etc are working.

Anyway - great news for you that doc is wrong and you are ov'ing. I am told that when you have your tubes washed/cleared your chances of conceiving in the following 3 months are higher. Good luck.

Bx

Afternoon all.

Sunshyne - 28.5? Erm, well from when I had my levels checked, I was told 30 is the lowest it can be to suggest ovulation. Your level being 28.5 suggests to me that you are ovulating later in your cycle, and that testing on 21 is too early. The level raises slowly and usually peaks mid way between ovulation and menstruation. It's done on 21 as a rule because the "normal" cycle is 28 days and ovulation on CD(cycle day) 14. But in reality - or certainly from meeting women on here, cycles are rarely as text book as that. How long is your cycle normally?? Is it 28 days?
Basal Body Temperature (BBT) is your temperature (oral or vaginal) on waking, at the same time each day, after at least 3 hours consecutive sleep. You plot your temperatures on a graph (you can get these online as has been said at fertilityfriend.com or you can buy the thermometer from Boots and it comes with a booklet of graphs and exlanation) and basically you should see your temperature shift upwards. This happens 24-48 hours after ovulation when the progesterone kicks in and in turns raises your temperature. The difference can be a matter of 0.1° or 0.2° - so it's essential that you have a BBT thermometer.
I hope what I have said makes sense??

Blueberry79 - Your latest chart definitely looks like you are ovulating. Much more steady temps and a definite spike. Well worth the acu and herbs I would say.
The thing about biphasic charts is that it does generally suggest ovulation. However, I have read that some women can have a a biphasic looking chart but not ovulate. If you've seen AtillatheMeerkat on the boards, she will say that a biphasic chart is not proof alone of ovulating. I like to think that for the most part BBT works, but it's certainly worth hearing all opinions

Gracie - Yes, plenty of action here Giving it our best shot, so to speak .
I know what you mean about a stray temp, they are sent to stress us out I think!! Fingers crossed for you

nh101 - Goos going on the "high" reading. Fingers crossed for you!!

NappyValley - Sorry to hear that you were teary and hormonal. I must confess to the image of ovaries being washed

Hope everyone is ok???

Rah - ° CD4 LP12 (11th cycle)
Duchesse - ° CD10 (49th cycle)
Minxi - ° CD10 LP14 (15th cycle)
NappyValley - ° CD114 LP9 (15th cycle)
LittleSquirt - ° CD14 LP? (3rd cycle after ERPC)
Thinking ? ° CD17 LP12 (2nd cycle/No Longer in Limbo Land)
Ready - ° CD18 LP12 (13th cycle)
nh101 - ° CD20 (1st cycle)
Gracie - 36.72° CD24 7DPO LP12 (12th cycle)
Rattling - ° CD25 8DPO LP10 (21st cycle)

Hi to everyone,

Hope your all having a good weekend, just updating temps

Rah - ° CD4 LP12 (11th cycle)
Duchesse - ° CD10 (49th cycle)
Minxi - ° CD10 LP14 (15th cycle)
NappyValley - ° CD114 LP9 (15th cycle)
LittleSquirt - ° CD14 LP? (3rd cycle after ERPC)
Thinking ? ° CD17 LP12 (2nd cycle/No Longer in Limbo Land)
Ready - 36.40° CD18 1dpo?? LP12 (13th cycle)
nh101 - ° CD20 (1st cycle)
Gracie - 36.72° CD24 7DPO LP12 (12th cycle)
Rattling - ° CD25 8DPO LP10 (21st cycle)

Oops. Good thinking Gracie - forgot the temps earlier. D'oh.

Hmmm. Just put my temps into FF and it's saying 3dpo... Not really sure what to think with this cycles temps. Haven't really had a spike so much as a gradual rise. Time will tell.

Hope everyone is have a Super Sunday!

Rah - ° CD4 LP12 (11th cycle)
Duchesse - ° CD10 (49th cycle)
Minxi - ° CD10 LP14 (15th cycle)
NappyValley - 36.29° CD14 LP9 (15th cycle)
LittleSquirt - ° CD14 LP? (3rd cycle after ERPC)
Thinking ? ° CD17 LP12 (2nd cycle/No Longer in Limbo Land)
Ready - 36.40° CD18 1dpo?? LP12 (13th cycle)
nh101 - ° CD20 (1st cycle)
Gracie - 36.72° CD24 7DPO LP12 (12th cycle)
Rattling - ° CD25 8DPO LP10 (21st cycle)

Yes she FINALLY remembered to temp this morning!

Ready thanks for some useful info there about whether biphasis = ovulation.

Blue thanks for the tip that possibly more fertile following procedure. Your charts look excellent. Have heard lots of good stuff about chinese herbs and acu recently. Fingers crossed 4 u.

Well gals we are entering the mission critical stage of the month.

Thanks for the info on charting and ovulation Ready. I have also looked up AtillatheMeerkat and she seems to know everything!

Nappy - if you are interested in acu and chinese herbs then look up a book called The Infertility Cure by Randine Lewis - really interesting. I am seeing someone in London www.zhaiclinic.co.uk and she seems to get incredible results. A friend of mine had been trying for over 2 years with no luck and had been through all the medical hurdles and treatment and within 3 months of Dr Zhai's treatment she was pregnant. She noticed in this time that her charts evened out and her EWCM increased massively.