35+ TTC#1 Thread 6

[BambiOnIce80]

Spring is in the air and it's time for a new thread!

Basically: a wonderful bunch of ladies supporting each other through the TTC journey when trying for a first baby after 35.

Here's hoping we get some spring BFP luck for all of us!! 🍀🐣🍀🐣

Just popping in to say hi. Thanks for your lovely messages of support. Having a pretty bad day. Got sent home from work as I was so upset. In hindsight I may have gone back too soon. My manager is being really supportive though and is happy for me to do as much or as little as I want.

I thought I might go for a swim this afternoon but then I remembered its half term and I just don't think I can face it 😔💔

I am still keeping up with you guys, hope you're all OK xx

Jut finished my early Scan which went very well and all progressing well and according to the dates! 7w3d today! And only 1 baby! Strong heartbeat! tears of relief about everything! Booked for another reassurance scan in 2 weeks! Then harmony test in 3 weeks and anxiously waiting for its results. In the meantime time, still feeling tired every night and nausea kicked in last week, and boobs are still tender from the day of transfer. But I'm not complaining. Just feeling blessed we've gone that far and still more hurdles to overcome

Wonderful news @Russkispy 💜

I wanted to ask if anyone has taken / been taking ubiquinol? If so, can you post a link to what you take and what your dosage is please? Some I've seen say 100ng and done up to 300mg per day. Also, some are white expensive, so don't want to waste money! Dh is getting back on the wellman tablets. We aren't going to actively time dtd (especially as I am still having positive tests so no idea when my cycle will go back to normal and I ovulate) but want to give us a fighting chance when we're ready.

Today is better than yesterday :) have a good day everyone x

Absolutely fantastic news @Russkispy 🤩All sounding very promising and long may it continue! 🤞🏻🍀

Really pleased to hear you're having a better day today @VenusStarr 🤗 I've been taking coQ10 with bioperin to make it more bioavailable like ubiquinol (but cheaper 😉). My natural fertility centre acupuncturist said 100mg a day is fine and here's the one I've been ordering:

CoQ10 w/BioPerine 100mg 120 Softgels High Absorption, Non-GMO, Soy-Free, 100% Natural Coenzyme Q-10 www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00V8S05E4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_RJITCb43VJ7ZQ?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Glad you're feeling good about things @Carley32 ❤️ I have to say we are as well after the private clinic open evening this evening...

So. No upselling was in the pitch, so that was a big relief. Sat through a presentation and then was fortunate to get 15 minutes with the head nurse. They'd happily use our NHS results, so no need to repeat bloods/SA at unnecessary expense. Clinic was nice and easy to get to, but it's a satellite site and egg harvest/embryo transfer would be over in Glasgow (only 50 minutes away, but still a logistics consideration 🤔 DP doesn't consider it an issue though 🤷‍♀️). The surprising part is that the predicted cost is either slightly cheaper than the NHS self-funded (with best case scenario for required drugs) or £450 more expensive (for worst case scenario for required drugs). Another surprise was that the the price includes the embryo imaging thing that the hfea says positive things about (I don't know if our NHS clinic does it yet) and they would transfer 2 embryos if it was deemed appropriate (for under 40's), whereas our NHS clinic wouldn't. Treatment can start within 2 months of first consultation. Loads of food for thought, basically 🤔 Next NHS appointment is in about 3 weeks time, so we're going to ask them about the self-funded route then and make a decision one way or another 👍

And we got a free pen 🖋 (see attached)... as DP said - who wouldn't want to be seen with a pen saying "European sperm Bank"?! 🤣 Maybe won't fling that one in my handbag! 😂

Thank you for the link @BambiOnIce80, do you notice any side effects? Do you take them every day too?

Your open evening sounds like it was worthwhile, who doesn't like a free pen?! (that you'll only use in the comfort of your own home ) sounds like you're well on the way to making an informed choice xx

🤣🤣🤣 at your free pen @bambionice80 - seriously, who do they expect to use such a piece of marketing?! Sounds like a good appointment though 👍

You're about the same as me @russkispy (give or take which dates I use 🙄) - waiting for Harmony test too in about 3 weeks - on the same page regarding hurdles.

Glad to hear your manager is looking out for you @venusstarr - goes to show there are some nice people about 🤗

@Weathergirl1, my pregnancy twin 😉 Harmony test is on the 7th. Booked st the London Fertility clinic where I had it before with my DD. And yours?
Feeling very tired and nauseous every day. But not complaining. Just glad these are the signs of progression as I had a MMC last year and one day I had nausea and literally next day all symptoms stopped and the scan confirmed the bad news. So very apprehensive this time around. And how are you feeling?

The natural fertility centre said to take it daily @VenusStarr and I haven't noticed any side effects at all 👍 DP is taking it too 💊 How's today been?

It was a really useful appointment @Weathergirl1, but I'm once again swithering about do I really want to go down this rabbit hole or not?! 🙄 I've got a few more weeks to give it some thought, at least 😏

Noticed a bit of a weird thing about my resting HR this cycle that I'd love all your thoughts on 💭🤔 Since I got my whizzy running watch and started tracking my RHR in January, I've noticed it jumps up by about 3-5 bpm on ov day and then stays at least 2-3bpm higher than the pre-ov rate until AF turns up... but not this cycle 😕 I got a very BFP OPK and also a big old temp rise that supported ov being on CD14 (EWCM on the days before, so basically the whole 9 yards), but nada on the RHR increase front! Temp is still well and truly up - in fact, it's the highest it's ever been (and I don't think I'm sick and certainly haven't been boozing) 🤒 Just can't figure out what my RHR is playing at staying down at pre-ov levels when my temp is very much indicating I ovulated already 🤔😕 I suspect it's just another one of those occasions where my body loves to well and truly 🤬 with my head by throwing me a curve ball 🤪

Good news about the open evening @BambiOnIce80. Who doesn’t love a free pen, even if it is best used only at home!
I’m glad you got some positive vibes there. It’s good to know you have options.

As for the RHR I have also noticed a spike just before af then it dips right back down. Iv noticed this for 2 cycles. As for My fertile window, I haven’t been paying to much attention to that in previous months (with all that was going on) but according to my app and a bfp OPK along with a few mini cramps, FW is maybe here and my RHR has indeed began to rise. Although I have been away and probably had a few more wines than I should have 🤦‍♀️ Sorry not to be more help lol.

Well me and DP had a lovely time away, it turns out that it was exactly what we needed, and some time away from stress certainly did us both good. So I’m feeling like things are looking up 🤞.

Anyone have any plans for this lovely bank holiday weekend?

Very glad to hear you had a lovely de-stressing time away @Carley32 🤗 Sounds like your FW is going to be promising 🤞🏻

My BFF and her DH are here visiting this weekend (and we've certainly got the weather for it! 🌞🤩), so there has been more booze than is probably appropriate for being one week into the TWW 🍸😬 Hope everyone's enjoying this beautiful weather too.x

Sorry for the silence from my end. It’s been quite a week. I’ve ended up having huge amounts of stress due to the nightmare that is the health system. I’ve had the wrong birthday on the private blood forms, oh’s referral for a sperm test returned by the assessment service saying it has to be In my name, and then to top it off I was told my nhs fertility referal had been cancelled on the system and no reason why...which bearing in mind the deadline I have of starting ivf by 24th July was devastating. Thankfully I chased it up and spoke to a very helpful secretary who has sorted it out for me, and we think we’ve got the sperm test sorted too but they really do not make it easy!! It feels like some kind of endurance test, how much do we really want this and how much s**t can we take before we crack!

As a result of the probs the issue of fertile week and the sperm analysis is no longer an issue! got My first flashing smiley today so hoping we can give things a good try over the coming days.

Also has another day3 test but done on day 4..my oestradiol is way too high for day three (729 pmol/l this time 798 pmol/l) FSH is higher than it was when I did the first day3 test (8.7 v 4.91) so I’m thinking my hormones are screwed. My oestradiol is three times higher than it should be at that stage of my cycle. I’m a bit worried that maybe that is what’s caused my losses. I’ve Always assumed my progesterone was ok as I had two missed miscarriages and my body wouldn’t let go but now I’m not so sure. My progesterone test (the 21st day test which was 7 days after ov) was 29.4 nmol/l which is borderline to prove ovulation. AF did arrive as expected 7 days after the test. So now worrying that hormones have caused my mc’s and will stop me from catching/having ivf...arghhh

So pleased to hear your scan went well @Russkispy

@BambiOnIce80 So pleased the open eve went well, love the free pen! I'd deffo use it just to freak people out.

Glad you've had a good weekend away @Carley32 -I'm currently in Scotland. My dad won a competition for a two night stay so I've driven him. Gorgeous weather and scenery and although I can't stop thinking about TTC/ivf etc it has helped stop me from obsessions to the level I normally.

Hi ladies, hope you are all having a great Easter Sunday. I've been quiet, have had a lot of background reading and decisions to make. My tests results are back and they are surprisingly bad AMH is 0.7 and FSH is 12.9) it really took me by surprise. On top of it DH SA came back as low on quantity (36m) and 'normality' is 1.5%. On top of it I still haven't got a period. I must be perimenopausal.

Because my AMH is so low, not many clinics will take me on even though I'm under 40 so the message I've been given is ivf is my best bet and get on with it. So here we are. There is clinic open day coming up soon which I will attend but they only do the 'mild' ivf which in their sales pitch seems to work better with those with low AMH but it doesn't make sense to me. If my AMH is low, shouldn't I be on a 'high' one? Also where fo you draw a line financially? The Lister clinic has a 'pregnancy calculator ' on their website which in reality is a pregnancy statistics and no one with my levels conceived on the first trial.

I've been hanging around the infertility board for a while as I feel my issues are better suited there but if you guys want to start a parallel thread in there I could really do with some good handhold from you lovelies 💛

@79andnotout I completely understand your position and I miss you on this thread. Hope things start to look up soon 💐

@Laney79, you should have stopped by for a cup of tea! 🍵😄 I hope you had a lovely time? I never seem to win competitions 😏 Sorry to hear your referral hasn't gone smoothly - we expect far more from the private sector (seems we're paying them!) and I still can't wrap my head around them not providing exemplary service 😕 Glad you managed to get it sorted in the end.x

Can totally understand the radio silence with all that to weigh up @QuantumGirl ❤️ I was wondering how you were getting on after your last post, but never know on here whether to tag someone when they've gone quiet... Don't know whether it's considered supportive or prying! 😥 How does your DP feel about his result? I know what you mean about where to draw the financial line - DP and I have a rough plan on paying for one full cycle. If we get some embryos to freeze, then we will possibly pay for 2 more frozen cycles. If we get none to freeze, then we think we'll leave it there... I think I just need to satisfy myself that we've tried everything we could, but without throwing good money after bad 🙄 A crystal ball would be really handy to see if it's worth going down this rabbit hole at all! 🔮 And I know what you mean about the infertility threads - I've been having a little browse recently, but none of them really fit me 😏 Plus I've been chatting to a good few of you on here since about Septemberish (I think? 🤔) and the idea of leaving you guys behind isn't something I'm ready to do 😘 I think a good number of us are looking like we're going down the IVF route (which is technically still TTC, right? 😬), so I hope we're still in the right place? 🤔 If several of us think that it'd be more appropriate for us to move to the infertility thread, then I'll set it up - just let me know your thoughts 💭 Either way, I'll always be around for a hand hold/virtual hug 🤗

I've been relatively quiet too (ok- by my verbal diarrhoea standards, anywho 🙄). Been doing a hulluvvalot of thinking/toing and frowing on if we're really, really up for this now that we're getting down to 💩 getting real 🤯 My body/base instinct keeps telling me that I really want to get pregnant, but my brain keeps telling me that I'm happy with my life as it is... totally conflicted 🤪 Also read an AIBU thread about "to regret having children" which has fuelled the fire of conflicting feelings to the max - I could absolutely see myself in the same spot as the OP and it's more than a bit terrifying to think it could go that way 😔 Sorry for the overly long essay 😣 But, yeah. Conflicted.

Thanks for the link @BambiOnIce80.

Sorry I've been so quiet, things aren't so good here. Dh has become really withdrawn and low 😢 just wish we could wake up and it all be OK.

Hope everyone is doing well xx

Hope you enjoyed your weekend @BambiOnIce80 it certainly has been the weather for alcohol and visitors. ☀️🥂 all we’ve done is eat and drink (probably not the best idea I know).

Don’t apologise for an essay! I think when it becomes as real and as soon as it is for you right now, it can be more than a little terrifying! I panic if absolutely everything to do with actually conceiving and the future after. But alway end up feeling a little down at the thought of missing such a magical experience and of growing older without a family.

Hi @QuantumGirl completely understand you through process. Although I do hope you hang around, as @Bambi said there are some of us that has been here for a good while who’s care and advice would definitely be missed ❤️

I wish there was more help and advice available, but everyone’s answer seems to be.... it can take years so just hang on and hope for the best. Which is fine if I was able to be sure it would happen by then. It’s a hard old slog.

@Laney79 getting away and opening your mind really does help take your thoughts of ttc. Sounds like a lovely win dad! I wouldn’t mind a visit to Scotland myself 😍.

Oh @VenusStarr big hugs to you. We are here whenever you need ❤️

@QuantumGirl sorry about your test results lovely. I have a feeling I may be joining you with similar news when my AMH result is back looking at my results so far. I don't get the mild ivf either-surely they need to throw the kitchen sink at our nethers to get the maximum possible quality/quantity? If it helps the open evening we went to locally was brilliant-very helpful. Are you past the cut off for nhs funding in your area? As @BambiOnIce80 said there's several of us now starting the ivf journey by the looks and this feels like a safer space to chat at the mo. Hand duly held out for a hold!

@BambiOnIce80 It was lovely thanks. The b&b was just north of loch ken near castle Douglas in Dumfries and Galloway. Really beautiful area and we were very lucky with the weather! I do love Scotland anyway, but had never been to that area-always went north to St. Andrews, Edinburgh, Inverness, aviemore, Elgin etc. As for being conflicted, it's a really tough one. Part of me desperately wishes I could go back to before I fell pregnant the first time and not allow it to happen-we were happy with our lives and weren't desperate for kids, but as soon as I fell pregnant a switch flicked on us both and now both of us really want it, and I would go as far as to say I need it to happen-such a strong deep down feeling. Very hard to explain. Hope you get some clarity soon.

Hugs @VenusStarr Wish there was something we could do to help xxx

@Carley32 Sounds like a nice weekend. I too wish there was some sort of guarantee -doesn't seem fair we have to go through all this with no idea of if it will even happen for us. Bloody law of the sod!

Well-I think my body is playing tricks again -has first flashy high fertility sat morning, did cheapie opks later that arvo and before bed but no sign of a positive-but Sunday I got a peak on clear blue and a positive cheapie with fmu! -and my temp went up! So I guess my body must ovulate as the surge starts, rather than the 24-36 hrs later for most women. Thankfully DTD Thursday eve and when I got home yesterday so fingers crossed we're in with a chance. Another short cycle for me though-ov cd10 so likely a 23 day cycle. Got to see the consultant tomorrow as a result of my chasing last week. Bricking it as I have to go solo (oh is at work and couldn't get time off at such short notice) -my medical phobia is such a bloody battle on top of everything else. 🙄😔

Oh @VenusStarr 😔💙 Is there any counselling available to you both through the EPU or gynae given what you've been through? Or is there some ridiculously long waiting list because it's the NHS (and therefore an overstretched service 😔)? Don't know if this'll be me overstepping or not (apologies, if so 😳), but found this charity that might be able to help:

www.miscarriageassociation.org.uk/about-us/the-charity/

I hope you know that you couldn't be more lovely if you tried @Carley32 🤗 I've gone on to have a seriously bad day, but your post has made me smile - thank you 😊 I've never suffered from depression and I know I'm beyond lucky about that (not even when I got divorced FFS!), but I don't know if I'm teetering on the brink of it today. DP has been at work, so I've been home alone and decided to read through the private IVF clinic paperwork properly to be ready to finalise our plans if we do decide to go for it after our NHS appointment on the 7th of May. Remember that the head nurse went through the price list with us and I asked her to include absolutely all possibilities so that I could get the worst case scenario cost? I've gone through all my finances and figured out I could just afford to do it without taking out a 0% credit card or whatever and I was starting to feel a little bit in control again. When I've gone through the paper work thoroughly on my own today, I came across another page of miscellaneous costs that the nurse hadn't pointed out... which would add on another £50 for every appointment (so at least another £250) and then an extra £250 for them writing a private prescription for the necessary drugs. The red mist has well and truly discended 😠 I know £500 doesn't sound much in the grand scheme of things, but when you're already rearranging your finances around what you thought was the correct information, only to realise this private company has some costs they forgot to tell you about when you've specifically asked for them feels like the straw that has broken the camels back of my sanity 🤪🤯🤪🤯 Once again, I feel like I can't trust private health care and I'm no further forward than I was before. It's even got me questioning if I can face spending around £6000 on a BFN - will that totally unhinge me??

I'm going away next week for my birthday. I think I need to try and stop thinking about all this stuff, if only for a week. I feel like my brain is stuck in a constance loop trying to solve this TTC problem and I'm getting exactly nowhere. I'm not used to not being able to solve the problems life throws at me - this feels like my sanity is about to snap. If it wasn't for this thread and you guys who 'get it', it probably already would have. Thank you all for being here 💖

Thank you @Carley32 @Laney79 and @BambiOnIce80 ❤️ I have looked a bit on the miscarriage association previously. I'm still waiting for my nhs counselling! Got an occupational health appointment this week so may get something via them. Dh said he's not been thinking about it but what I've learnt is that doesn't matter, how our minds and bodies process grief isn't linear.

On the plus side, my little fur baby is super clingy. Enjoying these cuddles 😊 (that's my arm!)

Oh girlies, @BambiOnIce80 @Laney79 @Carley32 you are all so lovely 🧡😊. You convinced me, let's do this ivf beast together 💪.

@Laney79 The NHS in my area has a long waiting list and from what I've been reading it's 'one size fits all' so I don't think it will suit my low AMH needs. On top of it I am one of those people that procrastinate a lot and then panics and now that I understand what my test results mean, I’m truly in panic mode.

@BambiOnIce80 I’m like you also had doubts about whether or not have a child is for me until I realised how much I ‘prepared’ my life for one without even realising. It was little things like the spare bedroom, the savings for mat leave, slightly changes in job role etc. I have been ‘projecting’ for a long time and only now I realise it. It feels sad just to think about it 😢 and on top of it I’m obsessing with ivf and what to do to get my period back 😢.

I’m off to the US soon so hopefully it will take my mind off things for a while. The ivf open day is after my trip. I’ve been to NY before but just for work and this time I’m going a few days earlier with DH and I don’t know where to go or what to do so any advice from you lovelies would be very much appreciated. I love fashion but my favourite brands are all British so I’m stuck for options (first world problems, I know 🙄).

@VenusStarr I’m with the girls re. Counselling. Sometimes only a good chat will do. If there are any colleagues doing counselling course near you they might be able to help for a small fee. The main thing is to keep positive which I know is easier said than done. Sometimes we all fall into our own black holes and is difficult to get out 🧡🧡🧡

Ah forgot @VenusStarr your fur baby is gorgeous 😻😻😻

Well how any of you understood my last message amazes me 😂. Between my grammar and predictive bloody text.... that essay was shocking 🤦‍♀️

It’s so hard isn’t it @Laney79. I just wish there was more advice and support on a regular basis..... waiting weeks to months between each appointment or general advice is a killer! I need to get rich..... I bet Kim Kardashian doesn’t put up with this 🤬.

Although I do feel the need to say that the nhs is wonderful and we are lucky to have it! But as @Bambi said, It’s just extremely over stretched!

I get confused with the opks @Laney When I used the CB advanced I had a flashing smiley for 13 days and a few BFP IC in that time. But when I did have the static smiley I also used an IC Opk with fmu and also had a bfp on that. It’s all so confusing
Lol. Sounds like your in with a chance though 🤞 ❤️

Oh no @BambiOnIce80 sorry your having a shitty start to the day ❤️

But I can completely see why. I would be more than angry and frustrated with that. It does just take away all sense of trust doesn’t it? Not to mention the personal side of things. It’s never only £500, especially after that amount of money. It’s so disheartening that you get 2 options...... free nhs (huge wait and not great communication) or huge amount of money, why is there no in between for us in the middle kinda folk! It’s such a big decision and I wish we could all do something to help you make it 😕 ❤️

Your Birthday get away sounds lovely and I bet it is just what you need. A break away from all this overthinking and guessing is so refreshing and I’m sure you will feel so much better having had it 😘. Me and DP are in such a better place having had some time away in the country. No TV or internet to google absolutely everything 😂 and no people asking why we don’t have children or imposing on us, just us doing exactly what we want to when we wanted!

Loving your fur baby @VenusStarr 😍 what a cutie. I hope you get you counselling through soon and I hope it helps.

Glad your staying @QuantumnGIrl 😊. Wow NY amazing. I loved the place. Make sure you have your walking shoes. Please try the cheesecake (it is amazing on every level).
We didn’t get chance but the helicopter over the city is supposed to be worth a go (best to book in advance). Also a little Cliche but the city tour bus is fab, it helped us find our bearings and plan where to spend our time.
An absolute must for us though was the World Trade Centre. The views from the top are amazing and the whole area is an experience.

Good luck with the consultant today @Laney79 🍀🍀🍀

Furry cuddles always help @VenusStarr 😻 The quartertime cat was helping me out with those last night, but I don't have any pictures of him that don't have me grinning like a loon in them 😁 Instead, attached is a picture of him giving his gold standard cuddles to DP 😼 He definitely makes us fur-baby broody for one of our own, but we keep reminding ourselves that cats have massively varied personalities (aka, how much they actively despise humans! 😹) and I doubt we'd be lucky enough to get one that's as big of a sook as him 😏

Sounds like you've had a lovely break @Carley32 😊 I hope that means things are looking good for FW 🤞🏻😉 I'm feeling a lot better today, thank you 😘 I think a good night's sleep has helped 😴 Someone's even baby bombed me today and I've just been really pleased for them, rather than getting the usual "woe is me" follow up emotions 🙂 I'm now considering if it is worth going for the 0% credit card after all, rather than decimate my financial cushion 🤔 Still a couple of weeks to go to figure it all out 👍

Unbelievably pleased that you're staying put @QuantumGirl 💕 😊 Very exciting too about NY 🗽🤩 It's been a good 5 years since I last went, but check out high line park for a lovely free wander. Whilst you're down there, there's loads of lovely little boutiques on Bleecker Street for a spot of clothes shopping and John's pizza used to do the best nibble in town 🍕 You've got a fab time of year for it too - should be nice weather and plenty of blossom in full bloom 🌸 😎

For those of us considering self-funded/private IVF routes (and of course those who aren't!), have any of you come across this 'payment plan' kind of thing yet?

www.accessfertility.com/programmes/the-access-fertility-multi-cycle-programme/

Given I'm turning 39 next week, the only thing I think I'd be eligible for is the 2 multi cycle with unlimited frozen ET option at about £7500 ish. It means I could end up paying about £1500 more than is necessary if cycle 1 is successful, but if we need 2/have some on ice it'd save us a tonne of money... Am I being naive and missing some blatant scam/small print?? The original leaflet was in the info pack from the private open evening, so am hoping it's legit and there wouldn't be all the horrid hidden costs that I've been dreading... any thoughts are very much appreciated! 😬

Found the catch - it doesn't include initial consultations, tests or any of the drugs, so there'd be at least an extra £1000 to £2000 to be paid for the first cycle and then between an extra £500 to £1000 for any frozen ones... there's always a bloody catch! 🙄 Straight to the bin with that idea then 🚮

Thank you for your NY tips ladies. I shall write it down 😉.
@BambiOnIce80 the private clinic I looked into does a 0% finance plan. Worth asking around to see if you can find one near you. Paying monthly is better than cash sum.

I also bought the 'start with the egg' book and the 'period repair manual'. It's a very interesting read and I'm wondering if my lack of periods is due to the lack of good fat as I tend not to eat those. I think I'll go back to full fat yogurt for a while as apparently we need it in order to ovulate 🤔

Glad your feeling better @BambiOnIce80 😘a good nights sleep is always a good thing. I’m starting to get used to the baby bombing I must say. Everyone’s at it at the moment so I either be happy for them or spend my days a miserable old get 🙈 lol.

Well.... a mid week break with no tv/internet and nothing at all to do in the evening except a hot tub (because we were in the middle of nowhere with 2 dogs) definitely helped us make the most of FW 😉. Although I have been hoping it actually was FW because anything is possible with my cycles, the last few cycles has shown me 2 rounds of IC BFP! So 🤞

Oh no. There is always a bloody catch, you’re right there! So bloody annoying though. Maybe a monthly payment would be easier to digest than a lump sum. Get every possible option written down and compare the pros and cons of each. Like you said you have some time before needing to decide.

That sounds interesting @QuantumGirl please share any facts or advice that will help us get some BFP’s going on! 😊