The July 19ers - STILL never beaten, and rocking our FJs for a lucky thread

[Frazzlerock]

Here it is! Our lucky one 🤞

But I always forget the rest of the world could be reading 😳

@rose because PCOS can cause false +opks. So I do ALL the things

@rose68 - I like to use an app as I lose track of what CD it is otherwise. And I don't like to use an OPK until about CD10.

I also do FF and BBT as it gives me a sense of some sort of control. It's not much but it calms me somehow. Apart from Ovia which panicked me!

I used Ovia for my first pregnancy too but on the second one I changed to Glow and Babycentre as I felt Ovia was cursed (!!!). However I didn't like either of them and woulld go back to Ovia for pregnancy again.

@Frazzlerock I think you really suit your name 😘
Wow, what a helpful response from Flo 🙈😂

@edidxb how did your interview go today?

Just lost £15 out of my pocket & dh has said he's "too tired" to dtd tonight (he got up at midday, cleaned out the fish tank & built his new bike).... half forgiven as he has emailed the Miscarriage Association & has said he is going to fundraise for them when he cycles John O'Groats to Lands End in July... but still ffs 😩

Man I wish I had time for journals and diaries, I don't have time for shopping lists! Lol!

In other great news.... the social worker who came round to intrude in my life, judge and criticise us, waste 2 hours of my life I never get back, offer us support and see how things are going has sent his report saying he recommends to the court that the kids live with us and have contact with their useless cunt mother!! DH is over the moon, just hope the judges see sense next week now and go with the professional opinion even though dads getting custody is far from the norm!! X

Yes @tigsy!!!

That's great news @tigsyboo

Hope judge agrees.

Oh wow! So much to catch up on! Swear it's only been 24 hours since I was on here.

@Twittlebee I'll probably not test until I'm 20dpo. At least I'll try hold out .....I may not last that long. Last pregnancy I tested at CD30 which was 14DPO and again the day after and day after that, 3 BFPs 3 days in a row but literally 1 hour after 3rd one started bleeding and lost baby - that one was due in July on first anniversary of first mc. Fir first pregnancy I tested wheb AF was 11 days late .......... because after 5 years TTC why would that month be any different? Just expected AF to turn up every day but after feeling odd and AF being so late decided to do one to rule pregnancy out -
imagine my surprise! I just don't want the disappointment.

@Pegase tentative congratulations!!!!

@tigsyboo that's fabulous!

That's good news tigsy, I hope the court date goes well too.

No ovulation for me yet although if I discard one random high temp then it sets my ovulation for CD11 so who knows.

Congrats @tigsyboo that's fantastic news 👏🏼

@Kinsters when do you usually ovulate? It does look like cd11 to me....!

Dh wasn't in the mood last night, or this morning, we've had a bit of an argument because I told him we really do need to try again if we want a chance this month... apparently now nothing he does is good enough

Normally CD13 or CD14 so it's not ridiculously far out, especially if CD1 should have been a day earlier but I only recorded spotting because my period was really light this cycle.

🙄 why are men so fragile when it comes to TTC? They're barely taking on any of the stress and even that's too much!

Morning all,

@Tigsy that is brilliant!!! Good luck for next week, though I'm sure you don't need it.

@rather grrr at DH. Why don't they get it!? Is it because we want it more? OR are they just complete idiots and think pregnancy happens at any time of the month? How do we get it into them without it seeming like we are pressurising them!?

@InDreamland I've said it before but this journey is one hell of a rollercoaster and its so tiresome isn't it. So much hope and dashed dreams. I hope this is it for you xx

@Kinsters I've no idea. It's so frustrating we have to wait for several days before our charts make any sense.

Sorry about my irrational stress plonked onto you guys yesterday. I know it was only one temp but I was so hopeful with all the other signs along with it.

My temp has only increased slightly after my drop yesterday so I went from "oh my god I'm ovulating for SURE" to flat as a pancake.
I think my body was really gearing up for ovulation but didn't make it - I think PCOS has held it back and hopefully my body will try again in a few days/weeks time (hopefully days).
I'm just so angry at my body and feel really down about it. I'm tired of wanting this so much and its been such a long time of wanting. It brings back all the stress of TTC the boys (and I vowed at the time I'd never put myself through that again )

Anyway, what can I do eh? I'm WFH today so can have a big old cry.

I am going to email back Svetlana at Flo and say "what exactly is the point of this app if you need to be using another app along side it!?". If I was just following Flo I'd have entered my +OPK and believed Flo when it told me I ovulated. In theory, I may not now be bothering BDing at all as I'd assume I was in the TWW now, when I haven't even ovulated yet!
Stupid app. In fact, I took out the +OPK, like she advised, and the ovulation prediction disappeared. I have only done that because I am using FF and Ovusense so I know I haven't actually ovulated. I think they need better developers!

Also I'm still spotting for the third day in a row which is what I did last cycle for several days before ovulation. I'm not sure if that is healthy or not but I am scared to google it. I thought the spotting last cycle was leftover from MC. This time around I thought it was ovulation spotting but it shouldn't go on for several days should it?

Perhaps that's it then @Kinsters, would make sense... it's all so confusing isn't it? Have you had any usual post o signs?
😂 they are so fragile about it. I went to sort the horses out & when I came back, dh was still here & pounced on me... then announced he was WFH too today. So half redeemed, but now I'm annoyed I have to share the kitchen with him all day again 😂

@Pegase how is everything this morning?

Kin would there be any reason that springs to mind why that high temp was so high? Does look like you are in the TTW already though.

rather so bloomin annoying isnt it! swear men arent this fussy with sex prior TTC!!!!

Tigsy really lovely news, just annoying you have to go to court to sort it all out but lovely to have the recommendation there in your corner!

I do not blame you for waiting that long InDreamland does make sense with how horrid this TTC journey can be to us

Frazzle please go see a DR about your spotting, any spotting mid cycle should be investigated. I had PID which symptoms started out as spotting and if left untreated can cause infertility - I dont want to scare you, it is just I really do believe that you should get checked out just in case. Also do not let your GP dismiss you like mine kept doing, spotting mid-cycle needs to be taken seriously until it can be proved to be all okay for sure.

@Twittle oh god, really? That's all I fucking need . I will try and book an 'on the day' appointment for Thursday.

I know frazzle which is why you need to get it checked its only if left untreated that PID can cause infertility (and I had my symptoms for a year before I was finally diagnosed and given the meds to clear it!)

I just Googled and it says reasons include:

a growth in your uterus or cervix
stress
a change in medication
a miscarriage
vaginal dryness
a hormone imbalance
cancer

Well I have stress, 3 MCs and hormonal imbalance. I'm pretty sure they will tell me those are the reasons. But I will get checked anyway. I was so hopeful it was ovulation spotting

Don't let them fob you off unless they proper investigate it Frazzle - At first I was told it was just because I had a baby and my body had changed, then for a while I was told it was because I had PCOS and I must just not know my cycles (they thought spotting was in fact my period, never mind I was bloomin charting!) and then they moved onto stress and left it like that until I went private and the Dr there laughed when I said they thought I had PCOS (she took my charting seriously so could see I clearly didnt have that!). Sure it probably is hormonal imbalance and we already know you have PCOS so chances are its just all that but it just scares me that if I listened to my GP I would still be suffering now and probably would be infertile

Definitely get it checked Frazzle. The chances are it's absolutely nothing to worry about and is stress, PCOS, hormones or the mc's but it's best to be completely safe than sorry. x

Yeah I know, best to be safe than sorry. I'm just bloody petrified now my body is throwing up yet another brick wall.

I am pleased you pointed it out though @Twittle. I'd have just ignored it otherwise.

I wrote back to our friend at Flo:

Hi Svetlana,

Thank you for your response. The test result was positive, and my body clearly geared up for ovulation but it failed (this is common with the majority of women).
Flo is highly unreliable if it thinks a +OPK is enough to confirm ovulation. The LH hormone fluctuates a lot throughout a woman's cycle, especially if PCOS is involved. Which is why I temp as well as checking cervix height and fluid.
If I had solely relied on Flo to predict ovulation I would have seen 'Ovulation day' and taken it as truth. I may not have bothered trying again until my period arrived and I would have missed any opportunity given I haven't actually ovulated yet. Flo needs to understand that a +OPK on its own is not a confirmation of ovulation.
Why ask for temp if it pays no attention to that?

Thankfully I am using Fertility Friend and Ovusense so I know I haven't ovulated yet. I will no longer be using Flo as it is pointless for TTC and actually jeopardises chances of getting pregnant

I hope your developers can improve the app so that women like me are in with a chance of getting pregnant.

Her response ...

Thank you for your feedback! We'll transfer it to our developers
Kind regards,
Svetlana

Great! I know, working in tech, that means shit.
Bye Flo, byeeeeeee......

that is appalling Frazzle ! Clearly they give no shits and just go on a +OPK as its easier than working out the temps - not an app that really cares about women TTC then!

In the immortal words of our very own @tigsy
"Probably developed by a man"