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TTC after MC April 07 - Return to the Mother Ship

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popsy76 · 27/04/2007 13:32

Hi Ladies, thought I would just grab the bull by the proverbial horns and get this going. Hope the name is okay. MrsMc I am afraid we will all be thinking of you and your DH (and his light saber) everytime we post

Too many individual posts to go back and answer so I thought I'd start with a positive message for all of us from the March thread and for any MC newbies...

Today is my 1 month MN anniversary and I do not know what I would have done without you all. It is the ability to get on here and "let it all out" that keeps me going. I have been blessed to have found you all and whatever lies in my future - your kindness and advice will stay with me forever.

Big Love and Hip hip hooray for a fabulous new positive thread POPSY xxxx

p.s. Gilly get your arse down to london - we can drink the bars dry of Rose (purely medicinal of course )

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flosspot · 20/06/2007 21:51

Morningglory- as I already have GP prescription (6 month supply) of Clomid, should I try upping dosage?

popsy76 · 21/06/2007 08:09

How did you find out you had low hormone levels - I am sure I have that too - don't want to go through loads of really long cycles to find out though...
Maybe is time for a trip to the doctors for a bit of a cry?

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patkica · 21/06/2007 08:44

Thanks MG. I'm off to the doctor next week and will discuss. Do you have to have loads of monitoring while you're on it? My cycle isn't as long as yours, but it does vary a lot. I now use the smiley face pee on a stick things and they help with OV, but it's the days leading up to it that can be hard to pinpoint.

Littlebit: really, really sorry you're feeling crap. I know exactly what you mean about bedtime struggles. My Ds is a joy, but sometime tantrums and so on are too much to deal with on top of TTC sadness. You are not a bad mummy just for wanting a break. I'm runnng away to NYC next month!

Kensgirl: sounds like OV pains. Do you use sticks? They should confirm. I've been wondering about position of cervix too. I've read about it in books have but no idea how to do it. I know I should ask my doctor, but it's too gross.

flosspot · 21/06/2007 08:56

Popsy- head to the GP and cry lots! They check your hormones with bloodtests, so I always feel like a pin cushion as they can't decide which day of cycle to test me on every time....

popsy76 · 21/06/2007 11:13

Happy birthday Ellie!!!!
Thanks for the advice flossy - gonna make an appointment to see Doctor

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lissie · 21/06/2007 11:15

well.....

doc has confirmed that i am indeed pg at 9dpo! he said that 3 tests cant all be wrong and my stomach is nice and soft (apparently they can tell the difference between fat and soft) so i am due on 7th march. keep them crossed for me!! im so scared!

popsy76 · 21/06/2007 12:15

Hi lissie so PLEASED for you - come on tell all!! Didn't even see any 2ww from you so big suprise! Can we have your history?
xxxxxxx and everything crossed of course!

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flosspot · 21/06/2007 12:18

Oh my God, Lissie that's fantastic. Will be needing a blow by blow account of how you did it so that I can copy you! Well done Mr Lissie too!

lissie · 21/06/2007 12:22

no 2ww, i was suree that i'd ov'd 4d early had my HSG on the mon, bd'd on the tues, and ov'd on the wed. had some spotting but put it down to the HSG well, dida test on tues and was a faint bfp, got another yesterday from a different batch and a faint bfp at nurse and saw gp today he's confirmed it. tbh im crapping myself!

lissie · 21/06/2007 12:24

tbh the only thing ive done different is taken the asprin from cd1 and 5mg folic acid. aside from that nowt. wasnt even considering getting pg this month with the HSG

popsy76 · 21/06/2007 13:14

what is HSG?

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lissie · 21/06/2007 14:10

its where they inject dye into your uterus and fallopian tubes via your cervix then take xray pics of your bits. its to check for blockages and adhesions

alittlebitshy · 21/06/2007 14:29

congrats lissie - what a nice surprise!!!!!!!! lots of sticky thoughts for your beanie!!!

had crap day - hospital was CRAP SHIT BOLLOCKS. will explain later - off to collect dd from school, she's been on her first ever (woooo) school trip today!!

shitty nhs though.

morningglory · 21/06/2007 15:07

First of all, CONGRATULATIONS lissie ! Take the next 11 weeks easy, and try not to worry too much (I need to remind myself this). Fingers crossed for smooth sailing on this pregnancy.

littlebit sorry about the sh*te day. I'm with you on how horrible the nhs treats women in early pregnancy. Their philosophy is that if you are miscarrying, oh well, there is nothing they can do about it. Makes the whole experience that much worse.

To answer all of your questions on my story with Clomid:

  • flosspot, if one cycle at 50mg didn't work, definitely increase to 100 mg (after than, and increase in dosage doesn't really achieve that much). Also, how did s/he prescribe it? The way my father did was to take 100mg on CD5-9, then BD on CD 14-19.

-popsy, didn't go through any formal workup. I knew that anatomically I was fine (I'm a doctor myself, and I had volunteered to a bunch of all body MRIs during med school for a friend's research project), but that my cycles were all over the place. I used to run quite a bit (at least 25 miles a week), and because I'm small (5'2 and 95 pounds), that kind of stress on my body supresses the production of some hormones. Just from my history, my dad was able to base it on history alone.

-patkica, no monitoring at all. Clomid is a relatively benign drug.

flosspot · 21/06/2007 16:46

Ooo MG- consultant prescribed Clomid, one tab (50mg) days 2-6, BD days 11-17. Told me my GP could prescribe it and he just gve me six months supply so I didn't have to pay prescription fees all the time. Subsequently next consultant (am at teaching hospital so never see same person twice which increases frustration. Apparently am seeing the man himself in October but won't hold my breath as they said that last time. Sorry-sidetracked.) Where was I? Yes- next consultant pointed out that cycle length at 40 days was nogood early BDing, mentioned upping dosage then went spectaculary weird, started shouting at me and pushed me out of her office (am obviously elaborating for dramatic effect.)

So- based on her mentioning upping dosage, my still-long cycles(Clomid supposed to shorten them, right?) and my desperation, am keen to up dosage...Bet you are glad you asked!

flosspot · 21/06/2007 16:47

Does taking it on different cycle days affect efficacity MG?

flosspot · 21/06/2007 16:47

And are you all impressed with use of word efficacity?!!!

morningglory · 21/06/2007 17:11

flosspot, Clomid doesn't necessarily shorten your cycles, just regulate it. In the US, standard practice is starting Clomid on CD5, but it can start as early as CD3. You need to take it for 5 days. The reason to start early in the cycle is that Clomid blocks the estrogen receptors in your body. Estrogen levels starts to increase at about day 4-5 of your cycle, so by blocking them, you are tricking your body into thinking that there isn't any estrogen, so it causes your hypothalamus to pump out more GnRH, which leads to to pump out lots more FSH, amongst other things. FSH is the hormone which is responsible for follicular stimulation (egg development).

I would increase your dose, switch to days 4-8 (or 5-9), and change the days you would bd. Just to make sure of ovulation, I'd test starting day 14 (but bd on the days you are supposed to anyways). If you want, I can ask my father if he agrees.

siameez · 21/06/2007 17:54

Littlebit - do hope you're OK!
Lissie - that's wonderful wonderful news!
Keeping everything crossed for both of you.

Does anyone know about temps dipping after ov? I've been temping for 5 months with mc in middle and have never had it dip before, including my pregnant month - this month, however, I had positive ov tests on day 13, 14 & 17 (don't ask why I tested again on 17! Was having mad emotional day and wanted to DO SOMETHING however pointless). And my temp dipped a bit on cd17, up on cd18, down again on cd19, up a bit today (cd20). What's going on? Obviously I've googled for all the things I want it to be (ie implantation ) but feel not at all pregnant and really p*d off that my temps seem to be playing nasty games with me.

And why were my OV tests positive for 5 days?? Surely that shouldn't happen? Are we having triplets?

Am starting to see why some of you have given up all this monitoring stuff! Tempted to leave it all to chance next month (oh as if! Who am I kidding?)

alittlebitshy · 21/06/2007 18:42

this is fascinating stuff - i never really knew about clomid, so I am very intrigued!!

hope you're still bouncing off the walls lissie.

Well my day:

Kept the gp appt i had made - she was really nice actually, and was muttering about if we wanted to start talking about looking into why 2 miscarriages she would be willing to look into it sooner rather than later. i didn't really take that in though so will need to go back about that.

she called the hospital (one of 2 with gynae sections locally- a different one from the one i went to the epu at last time) and they told her to send me with a letter for the gynae SHO on call , via a and e. so off we trotted to hospital.

all so far so good. got seen by triage quickly, she took me straight to gynae. they sat me in waiting room and told me to do urine sample. Idiot features here had just done an almighty wee (and changed sanitary towel) before i saw triage cos I thought i would be in for a long wait. I managed to get a trickle out.

nurse came back and said the sample was showing negative on thier pg tests. I'm not surprised cos it was a dribble of wee after drinking heaps of water to try and manage anything, midday so not morning urine. but she said that the dr would not see anyone without a positive pregnancy test.

basically bugger off.

she said my hpt must have been wrong . I said "i did two". she said "oh well the baby has probably died". This is all after, upon my arrival, seeing gp note, commenting that gp should not have diagnosed "miscarriage" without examining me. F&4k me - she's diagnosed me as a silly girl with a late period panicking about nothing really, hasn't she?! - without examining me.

She told me to go back to my gp, get them to take bloods then refer me somewhere else - maybe outpatients.

At this i had to leg it after dh cos i had sent him home to get on with work after i gave my sample in cos we thought it would be ages and ages and he really really needs to get work done for services sat and sunday. He now feels mega guilty cos he woud have argued with them - although Ipointed out that they prob still wouldn' t have sene me cos their bloody test showed up negative and their "rules".

I called gp - all of them were in a meeting, no afternoon surgery - so I am waitng for her to call me back tomorrow. I don't harbour hopes that my bloods will show much -(if i get them done) - maybe hcg levels will still be higher than a non pg woman, but i imagine i'm slipping through the net here.

gp sent me precisely to check that I have miscarried fully, and to check for fibroids, and I am really quite uncomfy on one side - particularly in my back, so a scan would have put my mind at ease, but because they would not take my word for it, i get sent home

grr. I was almost crying with the pain in the left of my back this afternoon (a bit better with paracetamol now) but i have nowhere to go with the worry cos i'm not pregnant.

siameez · 21/06/2007 19:00

Oh my God littlebit I'm so sorry. What a nightmare. Can you take your own HPT and take it back to them once you've had time to store up some 'proper' urine, IYKWIM? Our EPU takes self referrals from women who've previously miscarried so you don't have to waste time with your GP - is there anywhere like that near you you could call? Sorry this sounds a bit like a blokey 'fix it' response and probably not very helpful Thinking of you!

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ronshar · 21/06/2007 22:03

Congratulations lissie. You are my silver lining round my dark cloud.
I have been feeling better all week as have tried to ignore the whole ttc thing. My body as always has other ideas. My breast are fuller and a little bit sore and I am getting funny cramps/discomfort all across my abdo regions? Am I crazy? Is this still normal after a mc? I am not due af until 1st July but my cycle was shorter by 6days last time so who knows. This will be my 4th af post mc.
I have had enough I just want to go back to how I was before the mc.

popsy76 · 22/06/2007 11:20

Hi Ladies, having a chilled day today
saw friend last night who MC at 6.5 months and now has beautiful baby - there is hope for all of us xxxxx

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