We're ovulating again, so let's jump our men. It's TTC after miscarriage thread 11

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Not sure if I should start new thread for this? Is there one open already?

Just cross-posted. That's weird, Anne, maybe ask about the test?

The diagnosis criteria for APS are two positive blood tests (one or other coming up positive isn't significant as there are natural fluctuations which means that someone without APS could test positive in a one-off test - that's why they have to be a certain time apart) so you wouldn't need a second test if the first one comes back negative.

Stepaway I've seen that too, but it doesn't make sense to me. The vast majority of random chromosome problems that result in failed implantation (and so in pregnancy but then miscarriage in 'unfussy' wombs) apparently originate with the egg, not sperm, so I can't see how DTD timing could possibly affect that?

Nah, I don't test any more. If I haven't had a period by Monday I'll test then.

It doesn't make sense to me either, Lisa! You'd assume that if there is a problem with the egg or sperm, they shouldn't implant. I think the idea with unfussy womb is that they implant when they shouldn't. Still not sure how dtd in a very short window helps but it seems to be something to do with implantation happening too early or too late otherwise. I'm at the point where I'll try anything to avoid another miscarriage, though. I'll see if I can dig out the original thread I found the information on...

Here it is...
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/miscarriage/1216066-Unfussy-Uterus-interested-how-many-of-you-feel-this-could-be-true-for-you

Just read that, step and it's really interesting but I still don't think that timing can affect anything. If you have sex five days before ovulation all that happens is sperm hangs around for longer before the egg appears - you can't change the timing of ovulation, and so you can't change the timing of implantation, surely? I'm no expert, but I just don't see how you can change any of that with timing?

My friend suggested the hyperfertility thing to me and thought it was really comforting as it meant I wasn't losing viable pregnancies, I was just getting pregnant when other women wouldn't have (and so we end up with the same number of 'good' pregnancies). I could see her logic, but it really worries me because the fact then still remains that in a year I haven't managed to produce a good egg that got successfully fertilized by a good sperm. If three of my eggs in a row were crap (and I think that's what either 'bad luck' or 'hyperfertility' would mean) then doesn't that mean that the odds are worryingly high that my eggs are crap in general, which is particularly concerning since I've only just turned 30?

I actually googled hyperfertility the other day, after coming across the term on RMC boards.

I got pregnant first cycle, mc at 10 weeks (baby prob stopped developing around 7-8 weeks), then got pregnant again without a period in between, and the baby stopped developing again at just past 7 weeks.
I did have to wonder if it applied to me too.
Can women have the condition but still eventually have a healthy pregnancy? Is it quite rare?

My understanding, yellow - which again is very partial! - is that having it doesn't diminish your chances of a healthy pregnancy at all, it just ('just' isn't really the word, but you know what I mean!) means that you have these unhealthy ones along the way because in a month where hypothetical you without it wouldn't have got pregnant, you that does have it had a pregnancy that failed. But it's a really new area of research - really just a theory at the moment, I think, there seems to have only been one study looking at it - so I don't think anyone really knows that much about it.

So instead of your body naturally rejecting ones that aren't compatible with life, it just implants anyway?
When I got pregnant the second time, (we only told close family) they all said 'ooh, aren't you fertile? How amazing!'. Except now I'm not so sure it is.
I'm taking my super-strength folic acid now & I've already bought aspirin! Fingers crossed that'll do it.

It's really interesting and I was worried it might apply to my after my three consecutive conceptions. But it had taken 7 months to get the first one and I now haven't had one since early February.

I wonder the same as you yellow how far one would likely develop, if it had implanted in a hyper fertile uterus, instead of a more discerning uterus. Would it have a heart beat? Would it show when they tested it if there was something wrong?

In my own case I always come back to what I know about my one that got the furthest and was tested. There was nothing wrong, so what the hell happened?

Really hope the super folic and aspirin help.

Lisa, do you know if they've said how it could be treated if it is proven to be a factor?

God I'm so shattered and I have yet more boring meetings this afternoon

That's very useful on the tests Lisa, thank you.

Thanks, all, you have inadvertently headed off a massive panic by me with all the scepticism. It's exactly what I needed!

Lisa, definitely share your worry re: duff eggs/sperm but I'm 40 so apparently that means half my eggs now are defective. Sigh.

Yellow, hyperfertility definitely doesn't decrease your chance of having a healthy pregnancy. Lisa is right that it just supposes some eggs implant that shouldn't but it really is still a theory at the moment.

Anne, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the high dose folic acid and baby aspirin too! As well as the Ubiqinol,,, and the B Complex... and the vitamin E.... and the vitamin D...

Bertie I admire you for holding out to 10dpo!

I'm officially late today. Well AF was due yesterday and didn't come so am I one day late or two? One I guess.

I'm 13dpo today. 14 if you assume I ovulated instantly following the first positive OPK. 12 if you think ov happens a day after. My LH surge lasted over 12 hours. Night of 4th strong positive OPK and also morning of 5th july, when CBFM confirmed a Peak. FF temp chart looks like I ovulated earlier than 6th though, for sure. Why so confusing?

TBH once I looked at the figures, 10dpo is very unlikely to result in a positive even if you are pregnant, so it's not too difficult to avoid Lots of pregnancies will only just have implanted at 10dpo meaning that there's no way the hCG will have built up to a testable level the same day. Even if you implanted earlier it's still usually implant from day 7+ so 10dpo is only 72 hours later. Not very long for hCG to double sufficiently, especially for 25 miU tests.

I'm not sure what all of those charts on TTC websites are on about showing it's commonplace earlier but I reckon they get skewed by confirmation bias and people being wrong about their dates.

If you input the other OPKs into FF you might get a different result BTW as you have dotted lines. But I think either the 4th or possibly the 5th is most likely.

Do any of you get massive painful boobs pre af? If so, how did you know you were pregnant and not due on?

@AnneLovesGilbert I do, but when I was pregnant my boobs started hurting at 2 dpo, as opposed to the usual few days before. Also, TMI alert, my nipples actually hurt more than the actual boob if that makes sense!
I know people say it isn't possible but I knew immediately that I was pg the first time.

What do you think?

The fussy womb theory - I guess it makes sense to be a "thing" but as others have said - it's such early days research wise that it's not worth getting too worked up about. I guess there's just hoping that we eventually end up with that successful pregnancy, and sooner rather than later!

Anne, I tend to get painful boobs now before af, but only since the first mc. However, opposite to yellow - I get tingly nipples and general achy boobs for af, or really painful undersides of boobs, sensitive nipples and shooting pains in boobs when pregnant. My nipples also became darker the month I got my first bfp. Those are signs that things are different for me anyway, but I also try not to put too much emphasis on it as a symptom.

Grumpy, really not sure! I thought I could see it on the small image but when enlarged I couldn't! Sorry, not very helpful!

Hmmm grumpy. It doesn't look like a total bfn. I feel like I see something. I've seen a lot of Negatives in my time. I really hate those tests. I'd rather a frer or an internet one any day.

Grumpy I can see the faintest whisper of a line, but hand on heart, if it were mine I'd think evap.
Can you get a frer?
Sending good luck vibes!

I really wasn't expecting this and I don't know how to feel right now. I hope it sticks this time.

grumpy I'm dreadful at seeing anything on tests. Good luck when you next test.

Congratulations hometown, I am over the moon for you!! Take it nice and easy; it's understandable you're unsure. I have everything crossed this one is sticky for you. Did you wait for a late af or test beforehand? x

Amazing Hometown!

Please please let this be the start of a run. That's 3 now isn't it?
And def sending Grumpy positive vibes too xx