TTC for 10 months or more, and now we're moving onto thread 4! Ten plussers welcome!

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Thread for anyone TTC for over ten months. Please feel free to join us!

Took the liberty of starting a new thread (with what is obviously a brilliant piece of rhyme!) as I assume everyone else is sleeping peacefully right now :)

Really really sorry lucie. Make sure you take as much time as you need. Glad you have a few days to wallow. And fantastic news you can have a follow up appointment soon. I can imagine it feels pretty dark now but please do not blame yourself - sometimes these things are not meant to be (ugh, can't believe I just typed that). Much love xxx

Just popping on whilst on holiday to say how sorry I am Lucie. I can't believe how cruel this world can be. Please be very kind to yourself and take things easy until you heal. You will be OK and you are strong enough to deal with this, but it's not fair that you should have to. Much love, xx

In the waiting room for our follow up appointment. I'm so nervous. What an idiot! Lol.

Will report bs k, but I think we're going to have a bit of a wait to start treatment if I'm honest. Nothing seems to be very quick here. Xx

Good luck Sammy, you're really well prepared, hope it goes well.

Good luck sammy!

lucie thinking of you today

Am quietly freaking out about my FET this afternoon. Lab just called to say frosticle number 1 had thawed beautifully so l guess we are good to go. 😳😳😳 Will report back later today!

So the appointment was ok.

It turns out we get up to two fresh cycles and a total of 4 embryo transfers on the NHS so that's good. If we get three Frosties on the first go we won't do a second fresh, will just use the Frosties which is good.

At first he was quite dismissive of my lining concerns. He said they get successful pregnancies with 6.5mm, and that their success rates were high enough at this thickness to war rent changing their criteria.
He saw how much it concerned me though, so agreed that if we end up doing another FET then we can keep going with the estrogen for longer. Although he said that it might just be that 7.3mm is normal for me and that no matter how much they threw at it I wouldn't see much more. They are willing to try though, and he noted my wishes which is good. Obviously for the fresh we don't have as much flexibility but he did say we could look at adding estrogen after EC providing there's no sign of OHSS.

With regard to the OHSS risk he said they'd probably reduce my stims from 150 to 112 and see how we get on. He also said it's possible I'll be ok this time as my body has had more exposure to estrogen and may have got used to it. This would explain why I wasn't nauseous during the latest FET. We can always increase the dose if the eggs aren't growing as they should.

He is not a fan of the immunes. Or rather he said he wouldn't recommend it based on 2 failures. He certainly won't be prescribing any meds to go along with the NHS goes. And I think even if tests came back showing something he is not a fan of the medications (kept calling them toxic!) so I would have to battle for treatment.

I think we're going to go ahead with a fresh go in June, try to increase the lining if possible and do a day 5 transfer. He said statistic wise it's not abnormal that two have failed - he talked a lot about chromosome abnormalities. So I think we're going to use the NHS go to 'see what happens'

I'm a little uneasy as there could still be something else preventing it from working, but I don't want to spend unnecessary money so am willing to try one more time.

Sorry, what a long 'me' post Xx

Lucie again, I'm so sorry. You haven't let your DH down and I'm sure he doesn't think so. I bet he's proud of you. I hope you are as ok as you can be. Xxx

Sammy I hope your appointment has gone ok! Good luck!

Stealth - good luck with your frostie.
Please don't worry, you'll be fine!
Congratulations on the thawed frostie

Arrggghh, wrote that post, then the hotpoint man arrived to fix our dryer (and baby bombed me into the bargain ffs!). He's just gone so I hit post, then saw all the other messages!

Stealth good luck for the FET this afternoon! Let us know how it goes!

Sammy I'm glad your appointment has gone ok, and I'm glad they're taking your lining concerns seriously. I have everything crossed for you!

Brilliant that you get 4 transfers on the NHS Sammy and great that you can get going again in June!

Bit harsh of your Dr. to refer to immunes meds as toxic...there is definitely nothing toxic about intralipids and others like prednisiolone and clexane are routinely used for all sorts. Hopefully you won't need to go down that route though.

Eek! Very exciting Stealth, good luck. Like Sammy says you'll be absolutely fine.

How are you doing today Lucie? I've been thinking of you

Baby bomb here too, by a close friend. I had had my suspicions and was actually worried that she was worried about telling me. She told me in the nicest possible way and all was fine, I am genuinely over the moon for her but its all over FB now and I just feel pretty low.

Sammy, I'm glad it went well and they have taken your concerns seriously and can hopefully boost your lining a bit more. I agree with Trixie about the immunes. There is definitely nothing toxic about them. Intralipids is a soy and egg mix and steroids and clexane are routinely used for all sorts of illnesses so seems strange that he would tell you that. It's a pity that you couldn't have had some extras just to try but hopefully you won't need them.

Stealth, brilliant news about the frostie! Hope it all goes well today.

Trixie, I'm ok thanks. Still devastated obviously and woke up feeling really anxious for some reason with knots in my stomach but just having a quiet day. My parents have popped around to see me so that's nice. I'm trying to decide what's best to do next. We want to do something else before we go on holidays in June and we would probably be able to start our next fresh NHS round but I'm wondering if it's a bit soon to go through the stresses of egg collection etc etc again and would I be better off doing a fet? The only advantage of doing the fresh one sooner would be that if it didn't work and I wanted to do a mini IVF in Czech to top up the frosties then we would have to wait a couple of months between stimms but if we did the fresh cycle in May then we would be away on holidays in June anyway so that would pass some of the time waiting inbetween and we could do a frostie when we got back in July and then we would be able to do the mini straight after that if it didn't work. Ahhh it's all so complicated! What would others do?

I know Trixie - in fairness the drug names he mentioned were not ones I've heard you guys talk about. I think he was worried about potential unknown side effects as its not very well researched, and certainly not proven. We'll see how the next round goes and then go from there. Meanwhile I'm going to keep going with the Accupuncture and diet changes, and hope that helps my lining naturally.
Sorry you got baby bombed, but glad she st least did it in s nice way. Xx

Lucie - glad you're ok. For me it's the lack of lab that causes that anxious feeling, hopefully when you've decide what to do you'll feel a bit better.

For me I never could have done back to back fresh cycles, it's was just too much hard work. But had I been feeling physically fine, I think in your position I would do another fresh. Xx

Best of luck Sammy. Everything crossed for you. I hope it works in June and if not I hope next time he listens to you.

I hope the FET goes well Stealth. I am glad your Frostie thawed well.

How ruse MPP, baby bombing you like that! I hope you get your revenge by getting upduffed soon.

Glad you coped with the news at the time Trixie. I can sympathise with the feeling low now though.

Just the floors to clean tonight and the sofas and beds to make up tomorrow and we are ready for the arrival of Mother.

lucie glad you've got your planning hat on. Personally there would be no way I would sign up for stims so close together but if you felt OK on them I'd be tempted to go for sooner rather than later ie the fresh round in May. May vs June is not really enough of a timing difference to give you a proper mental break from ttc so I'd be tempted to crack on.

sammy I assume your doctor was talking about humira and IVIG and the like? Might be worth clarifying you are talking about intralipids and clexane next time you see him. As the others say these are really rather benign.

Yes stealth, I think they were the things he mentioned. I will mention it, but I think he will only subscribe when you have had multiple fsilures, so I would need to sort it out myself if I wanted to go ahead before then. Xx

Brenna - glad the tidy up and cleans going well! X

It's nice that your parents came to see you Lucie. It is really hard, I'm not sure what I would do. It was so difficult deciding what we were going to do after our FET last year. I like having a break between cycles but would want to make the most of a fresh NHS go.
Try not to worry about making a decision for now, sometimes mulling things over helps. You've got a couple of weeks until your follow up so you could aim to make a decision by then. Whichever decision you make will be the right one. I read this recently and like it, I'm still a bit about some of my meds and telling myself this helps.

Yeah, there are some quite hardcore immune meds so he must have been talking about those Sammy. I really think that the acupuncture and diet changes will help, fingers crossed for you.

Thanks everyone, I'm leaning more towards the fet at the moment. Yesterday I was sure we would just crack on with another fresh NHS one and physically I could do it as the stimms don't take it out of me I think the problem would be more emotional for me. I think I am slightly different to most on here in that I only ever seem to get 2 decent eggs and it causes massive stress at the scans and then again waiting to find out if we have managed to collect anything at all and if they've fertilised and made it to day 3/5. I think if I was able to get say 10 eggs collected and felt fairly confident I would get 3-4 blasts it wouldn't be so much of an issue as like I say physically I can do it but somebody else said to me is it worth going through all that again so soon for the sake of getting one embryo which will have to be transferred back on day 3 when I have 4 ready made blasts in the freezer which will cause a lot less stress. I will still have my NHS round available then for when I'm feeling a little stronger emotionally. I don't know I haven't fully decided yet though. I guess I need to wait and see what the timings are like with my next af as well and if we can fit in a transfer in June before we go away.

Lucie I'm glad your parents visited you today. I've no idea what i would do in your situation, but as Trixie said, you have a little time to think it over and you can make the right choice for you. I'm sure it's all been mentally exhausting for you, and it's a difficult decision, so take your time. I hope you are alright.

Trixie im sorry the baby bomb has left you feeling low. I think you did fab dealing with it at the time. It's such a hard thing to do.

Brenna ahhhhhh, house cleaning ready for guests. A pain in the butt, but it's always so lovely to sit down once it's all clean and sparkly! I hope it's a good visit :)

lucie you absolutely don't need to make any decisions at all right now - no pressure. What's right will emerge but look after yourself now.

Just a quick update as I am dashing back to the office for a video conference, but I am officially PUPO! Surreal.

Thanks stealth, it helps me if I have a plan in place though and I know when we can try again rather than just wallowing and not knowing what I'm going to be doing

Amazing news on being pupo!!! Congrats and hope you have a relaxing 2ww. Hope to see a bfp very soon!

Congrats on being PUPO stealth! Xx

Ahh congrats stealth, it must be a crazy feeling after all the waiting to finally be PUPO!! I am wishing you smooth sailing from here on out x

Congrats Stealth!!