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TTC for 10 months or more, and now we're moving onto thread 4! Ten plussers welcome!

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MPP81 · 05/04/2016 01:12

Thread for anyone TTC for over ten months. Please feel free to join us!

Took the liberty of starting a new thread (with what is obviously a brilliant piece of rhyme!) as I assume everyone else is sleeping peacefully right now :)

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Pikz · 30/05/2016 10:55

Oh trixie I came on to see if there was news. Huge huge hugs xxx

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bananafish81 · 30/05/2016 10:57

Oh trixie - no words, just hugs. It's shit and cruel and so deeply deeply unfair. Thinking of you and DH xx

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JustTrixie · 30/05/2016 11:46

Thanks ladies. Feel so so sad. Didn't get much sleep last night which doesn't help.

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lucieloos · 30/05/2016 11:53

Yes could be worth giving 2 a go. I know not many clinics will defrost and test and then freeze again as they say it's too much stress on the embryos as you then need to defrost again for transfer. It's a relatively new thing I think and bananas clinic is the first I've heard of that does it. Wish things could be different for all of us. We've all been through so much now.

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bananafish81 · 30/05/2016 12:28

Re the defrosting I know CRGH do it as a woman on FF had hers defrosted and tested before she had given permission!!!! Which is not a great advertisement for CRGH but it's apparently not just CARE that will thaw frosties for biopsy.

The embryologist said they now do it quite a lot for exactly the reasons we are doing it - people who didn't do it first time around, had a failed cycle or miscarriage and now want to test their untested frozen embryos.

They said euploid embryos generally DO survive the process, and their analysis now shows embryos that don't are almost always aneuploid. Obvs there is a risk and it depends on the lab and their experience with it. We wouldn't be doing it if they hadn't had experience with it - I wouldn't risk our frosties to be the guinea pigs

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lucieloos · 30/05/2016 13:26

Yes sorry banana I didn't mean that you shouldn't be doing it. Your doctor sounds ace and I'm sure he wouldn't do it if he thought there might be problems. I just meant that it's not widespread at the moment in that I've read of other women wanting it done but can't after they have been frozen and I don't think my clinic would offer it at the moment either.

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lucieloos · 30/05/2016 13:26

Yes sorry banana I didn't mean that you shouldn't be doing it. Your doctor sounds ace and I'm sure he wouldn't do it if he thought there might be problems. I just meant that it's not widespread at the moment in that I've read of other women wanting it done but can't after they have been frozen and I don't think my clinic would offer it at the moment either.

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bananafish81 · 30/05/2016 13:52

Absolutely agree lucie! More just trying to provide some reassurance that it's not quite as experimental as I certainly thought it was - I thought exactly the same as you. And I definitely wouldn't risk it unless the lab had lots of experience with it and had the data to show me the risks. I think we're in violent agreement xx

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lucieloos · 30/05/2016 13:52

Yes sorry banana I didn't mean that you shouldn't be doing it. Your doctor sounds ace and I'm sure he wouldn't do it if he thought there might be problems. I just meant that it's not widespread at the moment in that I've read of other women wanting it done but can't after they have been frozen and I don't think my clinic would offer it at the moment either.

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stealthbanana · 30/05/2016 14:43

trixie Flowers Thinking of you xx

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maplebaby · 30/05/2016 15:27

Trixie I'm so so sorry Flowers big squeeze xxx

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Brenna24 · 30/05/2016 15:49

So sorry Trixie Flowers

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loopylou1984 · 30/05/2016 17:25

Another weekend, another baby bomb. Why can all our friends conceive with no issues? It's so unfair. This one isn't maternal in the slightest and the father acts like a teenager when drinking.

I'm such a bitch. I'm not even happy for them.

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star1980 · 30/05/2016 18:40

Oh Trixie, I'm so so sorry. I can't believe it, I had a really good feeling about this cycle for you. Take good care of yourself and really hope you're feeling a bit better soon and can start looking forward to your fet. Good new you do t have to wait long.

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maplebaby · 31/05/2016 08:49

Sammy not a bitch, I often feel the same. I do wonder about the stat of 1 in 6 (or is is 8) people struggle to conceive - my FB is full of pregnancy announcements, birth announcement, bump photos etc although I guess they don't say if they struggled... It feels so unfair.

Molly good luck on your tww.

Gee hope you get your lap soon - waiting and being in limbo is so hard - I'm still waiting for my IUI letter / appointment! I'm sure your parents didn't mean to say that. My mum is the same, she knows what I'm going trough and will then say to my sister can you have a couple more please - as if they can be made on demand! Well done on everyday for 2 weeks!!

So AF finished on Thursday (and by that I mean the spotting I get after as it trails off! Yes I'm lucky and get spotting before AND after!) and dtd on Saturday and yesterday and both times I had some blood after... On Saturday it was brown so I though it was (tmi) remnants from AF but yesterday was more pinky Confused hope it's nothing..!

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Itsme247 · 31/05/2016 14:12

Isnt it that 80 in 100 will fall pregnant within a year, then of the 20 only 8 won't have fallen pregnant within two years?

Its how I justify going through all the IVF - it's not something which trying harder or 'just relax, it'll happen' is going to fix.

I still get people saying 'oh it will happen when it's meant to' no, it won't. I have to make it happen ... I have done my two years of monthly hell checking my knickers thank you very much.

The day is looming, have my injection training tomorrow :)

Hello newbies, get cracking with tests/exploratorys but mostly keep on with dtd - with every cycle there is a chance :)

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maplebaby · 31/05/2016 14:33

Itsme yes I hate the just relax "advice"!! My mum gives me that one Angry

Good luck for tomorrow! Do they make you practice with a real needle??

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Itsme247 · 31/05/2016 14:43

My mum is beyond useless, she's one of 9 kids, as is my husband.

Not being able to have kids is not in my families comprehension. I feel bad though, she feels really useless!

I have no idea, I really hope so! I don't want the first time to actually inject myself be the one with the drugs in!

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maplebaby · 31/05/2016 15:45

My mum can be really sweet and encouraging then come out with those comments so it's a bit hit and miss with her!

I finally have my appointment with the fertility nurse woop woop! Not until 1st July which means I wouldn't start clomid until the cycle after the appointment which is 24th July (around then) - bit sad it's a while away but equally glad I have a date and something to look forward to rather than being in limbo and waiting!

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star1980 · 31/05/2016 17:55

Hi Molly and Geeup, sorry you find yourselves here but this is a lovely supportive thread full of people who understand and have lots of knowledge!

Geeup, I know you from the MF thread - seems we have the same issues. I have fibroids too but was told they are all on the outside of the uterus so shouldn't affect anything. Indeed, lots of the googling I did at the time they found them suggested that many people only find out they have fibroids at their pregnancy scans, so they really shouldn't stop us getting pregnant. I think the risk of miscarriage is slightly increased, but not sure.

Sorry for the baby bomb sammy. I agree, you're definitely not a bitch, just human and going through this crappy journey. Flowers

Banana, how are you doing? Have you had an update on your embryos? Hope they're all still going strong.

Trixie, really hope you are looking after yourself - I've been thinking about you.

MPP, congratulations on being a married woman!! Hope you're not reading this from honeymoon and put all thoughts about ttc (apart from the sex) out of your head! I would be very happy to read of a miracle honeymoon pregnancy when you get back :)

{waves to everyone else}

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loopylou1984 · 31/05/2016 20:43

Thank you Maple and Star, I just kind of feel like 'when am I going to get a break?'
I get over one birth/pregnancy announcement and bang there's another one.
I feel especially sad as I saw my grandma at the weekend and her (undiagnosed) dementia has worsened and I'm scared by the time I have a great grandchild for her she won't know who I am.

Maple - I'm sure it is nothing , but get yourself a doctors appointment just to be safe. Your fertility appointment will be here in no time, but I understand it feels ages away right now. Do you have anything good planned to distract you?

Itsme - you will have to practise with a real needle , just no drugs. I was terrified but actually found it really easy!

Xx

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star1980 · 01/06/2016 08:11

Hi ladies,

So after 4 months of proxeed we've done another SA and there's been an improvement in motility and morphology but the count has gone down! Before it was
count: 18mil/ml
Motility 18%
Morphology 2%

Now it's
Count 11mil/ml
Motility 39%
Morphology 4%
The lab now recommend ivf rather than icsi based on those results and on that basis I'm going to take this as an improvement!

Currently on cd5 and day 4 of taking Clomid. Had a baseline scan yesterday which was all fine and another on Monday which will be cd10. Has anyone here done Clomid/trigger/timed intercourse? If so, do you have any advice on when to have sex? Think I'm considering every day for three days starting on trigger day. But I wonder if my OH's low count means we should do eod. Hmm....

Sorry for the me post. Hope everyone's doing ok, or at least keeping reasonably up in the face of bad news. X

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JustTrixie · 01/06/2016 10:21

Great news about the SA Star, I'm not sure re timed intercourse, did the hospital give any advice? I would probably lean towards eod as they live for 2days +
I'm actually doing ok which is a surprise given how awful I felt on Monday. Still having moments of despair where it all feels impossible but overall just trying to get on with things. It is OTD tomorrow so will have to do another test and then call the hospital and I guess we then have a follow up to discuss our FET. We are trying to look at the FET as a continuation of this cycle which seems to be helping. And we are looking into a mini break which will be something to look forward to.

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bananafish81 · 01/06/2016 17:12

star great news about the SA! Re: timed intercourse, given low-ish count I would ask your clinic for advice, normally eod in the days leading up to trigger in the absence of male factor, potentially every 3 days with low count. I was told by my Dr to cover off approx +24h and +36h post trigger (i.e. the day after trigger, and again the next morning). However we don’t have any male factor issues and your clinic may advise otherwise

You don’t want to start AFTER trigger as that’s the LH surge so you’ll ovulate approx 36-37h post trigger, and the egg only lives for about 12h. You want to start before to get the swimmers ready, and then immediately post trigger (within 36h) is the most important shag

sammy hugs. Can’t the baby bombs just FUCK THE FUCK OFF (sorry, potty mouth, but some occasions deserve serious swears). Apparently some people have sex, get pregnant and get a baby 9 months later. When people say how expensive having kids is, I wanna say ‘yeah, try MAKING them’

(all that said, since ‘coming out’ about IVF I have found that loads of FB friends I thought were just smug fertiles with their perfect families also struggled. One had 3 miscarriages in the space of 11 months. One had 5 years of TTC, 7 IUIs, 2 fresh, 2 FET and several miscarriages to get her two kids -I obv just saw two very cute kids and had no idea of her struggle. Another had 2 MMC @ 12 weeks between her first and second kids. You just don’t know)

Your friends don’t sound like they fall into that category though, you’re not a bitch, you’re human. All the hugs.

Itsme the thought of the injections is way worse than the actual doing of them. I didn’t get an injections teach at all - we just watched a YouTube video and stabbed on our first night of stims. You’ll be a pro in no time!

molly and geeup sorry you find yourselves here, but welcome - it’s a fabulous group of very lovely, very knowledgable and very supportive women

Trixie thinking of you lovely. Hope you and DH can do something to be kind to yourselves. Mini break sounds like a terrific idea - I’d say an essential part of the protocol Flowers

maple woohoo for appointment coming through! Do ask if you’re going to be monitored on Clomid. Some trusts have a nasty habit of just giving out Clomid without scans and just doing progesterone blood tests to see if you’ve ovulated or not. Push for scans, because you
a) need to know if the Clomid is making you over-respond, and risking multiples
b) if it’s making you ovulate but thinning your lining, and thus simultaneously ‘working’ but making it impossible to conceive if nothing can implant (less common but possible)

Mpp hope you don’t see this and are having a fab honeymoon!

lucie hope you had a lovely weekend away and a nice break with DH



So, after two nerve wracking days of waiting for calls, the final tally is in for our embryos

We have a grand total of 12 blasts for PGS testing!

From this fresh cycle, we ended up with 9 good blasts that were suitable for biopsy and freezing.

Of our 4 frosties, 3 of them were able to be biopsied. Although the fourth did thaw, it didn’t successfully re-expand and progress to hatching blast stage, and therefore wasn’t suitable for biopsy.

Although we won’t ever know for sure, the lab say in general that euploid embryos do generally survive the freeze / thaw process, and those that don’t are generally aneuploid - so it’s likely that this embryo was a dud and just weeded itself out

We’re thrilled with these numbers - now we just have to hope that in two weeks time (yes, another 2ww!) that there are some decent ones in there - and most of all, that there’s one that will be able to go the distance and become a person 9 months later. The FET is what terrifies me, as if we put a PGS tested embryo back and the cycle fails or I miscarry again, it’s all down to my body’s inability to sustain a pregnancy. Even if we get a good seed, if we can’t get the soil right, it’s all for naught. So just really really have to hope my body won’t let another healthy baby down

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lucieloos · 01/06/2016 17:58

Banana, that's brilliant news about the embryos! Sounds like you should get a decent number of normal blasts from that lot. I also have the same worry about transferring a normal one. There feels like a lot of pressure on it to work and it if doesn't what next! Will you begin the fet as soon as the results have come back?

Trixie, hope you are ok and can get a date sorted tomorrow for your follow up and then you can get going with the fet ASAP.

Star, great news on the supplements. I don't have any experience of clomid sorry but looks like banana has given some good advice.

Sammy, I know how you feel. My grandad who is my last living grandparent was only expected to live until last Christmas. He is still with us at the moment but every day is a bonus. I thought when I got pregnant a couple of months ago we would at least be able to show him scan pictures even if he wouldn't be here to see the actual baby but that's looking less and less likely now.

Afm, sat waiting in the hospital for what will hopefully be my last blood test. I'm hoping I can stock up on the higher strength folic acid as well to boost my supply back up and then it's just a waiting game before we give the mini IVF a try towards the end of July. We are off to turkey 2 weeks on Saturday so will be great if all this is done and dusted this week and we can look forward to some proper relaxation before beginning again.

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