Pom Poms, Placards and Picket Lines. The Berries are putting up the barricades and will not be crossed! A delightful bunch of 30 something Ladybros TTC #1.

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The Berries have strict entrance criteria: TTC #1 for 12 months+, over 30, NO instadiffers, must have a special pimping pot and absolutely no mention of baby dust/dancing. Not that we're fussy!

Current Ladybros:

Smidge 39, TTC since Jan '13. Unexplained. Some high NK cell immune treatment. IVF#1 Short protocol Jul'14 BFN; IVF#2 Nov'14 and IVF#3 Feb'15 both Long protocol BFNs; Natural FET Jun'15 - Another BFN. Trying to work out what to do next.



Happylass, 37, TTC since Aug 2012. 3 failed ICSI cycles, 1 failed FET and 1 abandoned cycle due to poor response. Awaiting next and final cycle with own eggs hopefully Feb/March time. HATE THIS SHIT!!



Beaky 35, ttc 3 yrs, 2x failed iui 1 long protocol ivf cancelled, 2 short protocol IVF both BFN, very low amh/poor responder etc. 3rd IVF in January.



Tigerdog, 35, ttc since Jan 2013. Unexplained. IVF #1 chemical pregnancy. Currently redoing tests in preparation for IVF #2.



barkingtreefrog 36, ttc since Dec 2011. clomid bfp summer 2013 then mc @7 weeks, iui bfp summer 2014 then mc @6 weeks. Factor V leiden thrombophilia diagnosed at the repeat mc clinic. IUI bfn Jan 2015, IVF bfn April/May 2015. FET bfn August 2015, remaining frozen embryo perished. Private tests showed high nk cells activity and th1/th2 as well as mthrfr gene. Started downregging for long protocol ivf in Oct 15 plus two intralipid drips, and got pg. Third mc @ 6.4 weeks despite heparin, intralipids, metafolin and prednisolone. Last Ivf attempt starting February 2016 then on to adoption. 



Kuma - 40. TTC 2.9 years. Low AMH high FSH - DH antisperm ABs. Failed IVF June 14 and March 15, cancelled cycle June 15. Last try Jan 16. 



Lucieloos, 36, Low AMH & sperm motility. ICSI#1, April 2015, Czech Republic, BFN. Icsi#2, cancelled before EC. Icsi#3 & 4, Embryo Banking. 3 blasts in freezer. Icsi#5 in Czech in Jan. NHS cycle in Feb / March.




Sesame, 40, ttc 2 years with no dp, multiple failed IVFs, 4 ETs, 1 bfp followed by mc, poor responder with v low AMH, but still looking for the golden egg.

Nolly, 33, TTC 3 years, 1 confirmed MC, 2 more suspected. still in limbo. 



Funkymonk 33. Ttc since October 2012. Mc June 2013, Mmc dec 2013, mc June 2014. Factor v Leiden thrombophilia. Abandoned IVF Jan 2015 due to thin lining. Abandoned FET Aug 2015 due to thin lining. 4 embies on ice. Currently experimenting with different cycles in an attempt to thicken lining.

Clem, 39, ttc since 2013. diagnosed with anovulation by nhs so on a course of clomid. no male factor issues. all other test results have come back okay inc. ovarian test reserves. currently being referred back to nhs for single funded cycle.

Nolly, 33, TTC 3 years, 1 confirmed MC, 2 more suspected. Starting IVF in January.



Antonia79 36, ttc #1 since 2009, adhesions made for sticky insides & one tube removed, confirmed NHS IVF route Sept 15, TTC naturally again as recommended by doctor until IVF cycle starts (early - mid 2016) if not conceived by then.



Grin - 35, TTC 3 years, NFI why I can't get pregnant,, 3 X failed clomid attemots, 2 X ICSI failed fertilisations, 1 x IVF BFN. Doing another cycle in Mar 2016 and thinking of embryo donation.



The Roll of honour:

Pip - Quite simply the Best In Show.
Lumen - The Legend that is....

Tiger thinking of you. How are you this morning?

Barking sorry about the crappy side effects of the meds. Really hope this is the one and so none of the crap matters.

Happy yes the scratch is always day 21. Can't help with intralipids I'm afraid. What horror at at being watched twice by the inspectors! That is so unlucky.

Sesame good luck for your scan.

Smidge how are you feeling today?

Clem how are you?

Yes Prague is still an option. Dh isn't wanting to spend much on this due to such low success rates for us so that's his preference but he will g with what I want, I just don't know what that is. Going to take the pup to the beach for a blast of fresh air to clear my head!

barking them girls must be made of tough stuff. I'm trying to recall if you posted on thread - from the time when you switched clinics - as I thought you had already told them about your first ec experience. Good luck for tomorrow if you transfer then. I'll swing some pompoms for you!

happy hooray for surviving inspection, 2 observations must make you almost as brave as a yorkshire lass undergoing ivf , well done! Did you get your ? My old fc used to do the scratch on cd 21. I think it's most commonly done at some point in luteal phase - but the odd fc just does their own thing. Can't help on the intralipids, sorry.

beaky hope a nice walk in the sunshine helped with the decisions?

tiger how are you feeling?

My appointment was ok, I've still got one follie, and it's growing, now at 14. Thanks for the lining dance, the womble is now 6mm and triple lined - just need a little bit more please. Back for another dildocam early tomorrow morning. It looks like ec might be Wednesday.

tiger/seasame thanks for the explanation of the days past transfer stuff. think that makes me today 6dp3dt (as tomorrow will be 1 week).

seasame how did your scan go today? has your lining improved since friday (have been trying to do a womble thickening dance for you...its not pretty tho)

barking sorry to hear your ec was so bloody painful for you again. good news on the 3 fertilisations, am keeping everything crossed that they are little fighters for you.

tiger your unresponsive fc sounds very frustrating. good that they are getting you in tomorrow for the test, but we expect/want more with the comms, don't we. loving your wedding hair pic too (makes me want to get married again)...how exciting, that its so close. sorry to hear about the blood you are getting, like the others have said, it could be implantation related (I really hope it is for you)

beaky how annoying that your fc is so slow with their responses...like you say, you know they don't work for you...really hope you find one that does, really soon.

smidge yay, you made it to the UK...hope the travelling wasn't too knackering. well done on staying awake sooo long.

happy great news that your finally free...well done for not letting being observed twice, to push you over the edge. and good to hear your plans for your FET are now in motion.

so, as for the latest from me...not a fat lot going on this side really. am trying not to symptom spot (or over analyse lack of symptoms). am just keeping myself as busy as I can.

am not enjoying my clexane injection one bit, they sting like a bitch and bruise each time...it looks more a bloody rash now, there are sooo many small bruises .

7 days until otd for me, and me and dh have agreed to wait until then to test...I think I'll be okay to hold out, but lets see. planning to distract myself with lots of easter eggs if I can.

Hey all. I wrote a long post earlier and then have come back to see that it hasn't posted! Doh.

Glad you're doing ok clem. I can confirm that early testing is where madness lies still can't help myself though so probably best to wait if you can.

beaky hope the walk cleared the head! Is there anything, that if you choose not to do, that you will forever wish you did? Does that make sense? Czech does sound like a good option for going for one last OE cycle.

barking masses of good luck for transfer tomorrow, I hope you can get some rest and a good night's sleep!

happy hurray that you're free! Well done on surviving the week from hell! Hope you've had a lovely weekend. Good luck for the scratch. Have you broken up for Easter now? The holidays are all over the place this Easter - seems to vary wildly!

Sounds like it's all progressing well anyway sesame, more womble thickening dances going on in this corner!

Well, this morning's test was a bfn, although a very faint line had appeared when I went to put in the bin after a few hours. I don't think it means anything, it was well outside of the window. Just more of the headfuck to fuel that little voice of unrealistic hope! Still spotting and a sore back like AF will arrive. Have a clinic appointment tomorrow anyway, so we'll see what they say. I just want to make sure they look into any possible immune issues, if that's what the problem is.

Mr T is back from his stag do and in one piece, mostly. Stupid sod managed to open up his recent surgery wound doing some sort of activity. I knew he would too. Doesn't seem too bad anyway.

Busy week ahead, dinner with friends to meet another new baby on Weds and make up shopping and planning with my best mate on Tues. Only two more weeks in my current job then I'm out! What is everyone else up to?

happy I had a intralipids drip during downregging then another one during stims - on 11th March. I'll be having transfer tomorrow. There was a 5 day window in which I was told to have it, but can't remember where in that bracket I booked it for.
The scratch is done pre ov so they know you're not pg, which I thought was ironic given there's no chance of getting pg, but then turns out of course that I was pg when I had the scratch last time, so that told me.

beaky hope the beach was good.

sesame yes, I had told them I was in a lot of pain last time, and was told not to worry I'd have pain relief and sedation. Clearly not as much as I'd have liked.
Good luck for tomorrow

Clem I hear you, I started the clexane this evening. Stupid flat headed needle point that you have to push hard to get in, it's not much better than the fragmin.

tiger okay, so I really don't want to be that person, but a line is a line and you were testing early, right? It's a total and utter headfuck. Hand holding if you need it!
Do you think they'll take a blood test when you're in for the scan tomorrow?

I am shitting myself that they'll call tomorrow morning and tell me they're all crap, there's nothing worth putting in. It's all such bollocks. Still, last time I'm putting myself through it. Silver linings and all that.

tiger I'm with barking here although I'm a confirmed early tester -I think what you've got is a bfmaybe... , if you wait a couple of days for the hcg to go up, hopefully the line will show up within the time window. Or if you are going to your fc today, maybe you could try to blag some blood tests for beta hcg and progesterone?

barking everything is crossed for you for today except my legs obv, I'm so hoping there are some good embies waiting to be rehomed to your stripy womb palace.

clem thank you for the dance moves , yes the lining is thickening up. Progress is a little slower than last time, but I think that's a good thing in my case. Hope you're finding some good distractions. Yes, like barking says, the clexane needle is unnecessarily blunt, and also shugly - I'm really not a fan of prefilled pens as they make stabbing so much more difficult.

Scan today showed a 16mm follie and a 7mm lining. I'm provisionally booked in for ec on Wednesday, but doc would prefer to wait one more day if the bloods say it's ok. Else it would be scan tomorrow and ec on Thursday.

Morning LadyBerries
So much to catch up on and Ive only been away about 10 days. Just got back from a trip to Phwelli in Wales, Absolutely gorgeous but not much signal around the part I was staying so couldn't catch up with you all, But have had you all in my thoughts.

Tiger Your hair looks bloody gorgeous ! Sorry you're going through a tough time. I want to say stay positive but it sounds so glib Good luck with the new job :)
Barking Congrats on the move :) I'm pompomming away for the embies.
Clem Congrats on being PUPO
Seasame I hope you managed to get your scan sorted and also hope your back is improved.
Smidge Welcome back :) and congrats on being PUPO.
Beaky Congrats on the new job :). It sounds as if getting rid of the old FC is for the best.
Happy Glad to hear the treatment is on the move for you.

OOh this thread is new job thread by the looks of it. Hope everyone is doing ok ?
As for me nothing to tell really back to hitting the gym hard and working out trying to shed some of the bloat that I still have hanging around. wtf has been scheduled for 21st April due to my and dh's availability over the next few weeks. I decided during my break that depending on the outcome of the WTF I may not bother with another cycle and just accept things as they are and focus on us.I know DH feels like we're admitting defeat too early but honestly I dont know if I can face it again.

grr how did i not see your post Sesame :) Glad the scan went ok.

hi everyone, hope your mondays are going okay.

just have a question for you all possibly a very stupid question ...I was reading the back of the pregnancy test packet that the fc gave me and on there, it says that the sample needs to be at room temperature before testing. I've never really waited for it to change from body temperature to room temperature (but then again, I've never had a bfp, so I wouldn't know if it makes a difference)

...I just wondered, does anyone else?

Well, my Monday has been a shitfest. Pointless clinic appointment and now I'm bleeding heavily and in loads of pain so that's me out. Devastated. To top it off, I'm at work and away, when I just want to crawl into my bed at home and cry into t-dog's soft little head. #fuckinghatethisshit

Please, please let someone have some good news around here. Give us a break!!!!!!!

tiger so sorry to hear that...hope you get to escape work soon and get to a bed you can curl up in. look after yourself. we're here for you

Oh Tiger I'm so very sorry my lovely. Sending huge hugs. These are indeed shitty times for the Berries
Clem I've never waited for the sample to be at room temperature. What type of test is it? I've always used ones that can be dipped or used mid-stream, so obviously that wouldn't require room temperature.
Berries - the scratch. OMFG!! . I've had it before and it was completely straight forward but this time she couldn't get the catheter in. She tried several different ones (whilst saying I must have a high pain threshold - I told her it was actually hurting - a lot!!). She then suggested that there may be an obstruction (err, like what??) and said she was going to pinch (accidentally typed punch first time there!) my cervix. After she did that I think I actually screamed . It still wouldn't go in and she said I needed to go off and half fill my bladder to see if that would help. I lifted my head up and I was just about to tell her to forget the whole thing when it magically went it. Hoo-bloody-Ray!! The scratch itself was uncomfortable but bearable. Then I'd just got back to the ward when I almost fainted . The whole room was spinning and the consultant said I'd turned green! Queue me having to lie down for half an hour and everyone fussing around. 4 ECs and 5 ETs and I was brought down by a bloody scratch. I can quite safely say that's the last time I'm ever doing that!!

Happy I wussed out on the scratch too. First time they did it while doing the laparoscopy so I was unconscious. Second time I was wide awake and didn't enjoy. I declined the offer for the third time, figuring it doesn't make any difference.

Tiger I'm so sorry you are out. Did you get the OK by your clinic to stop taking the drugs though? Surely they won't make you continue with them til the 28th? I haven't had my usual early bleeding this time but am pretty sure that's just because they did the transfer about 2-3 days early in my cycle, plus I've had a couple of doses of HCG/ovidrelle this time around. Unfortunately the lack of spotting hasn't given me any cause for optimism, as my boobs are resolutely small, and I've started to get the expected back ache and pm cramps plus the crinone remnants are starting to have a beige/pink tinge to them. I am going to have to contact my Australian FC and ask for a prescription(?) for the blood tests and see if my NHS doctor will do them for me. My clinic won't accept a pee stick test. I've been putting off contacting them as I think they'll tell me off for having flown to england. I know once before AliG wouldn't go ahead with a cycle because we were due to go on holiday. Ah well. Won't have to see them again I guess so will just have to take it.

Clem you may be the last PUPO lady - how are you doing? When can you POAS? My OTD is 25th (Aussie time) so I could probably pimp any time now and get a reliable result. Just can't bring myself to see that final whiter than white window just yet.

Glad to hear that the linings are thickening and follicles growing elsewhere in berryland.

In other news, we think MrSmidge has probably thrown the bolts/screws for our bed out with the packaging materials. . We will be sleeping on the mattress on the floor tonight. The bolt things were very specific to the bed unfortunately, so I'm not sure how we'll be able to replace them.

tiger it's a massive heap of festering pig wank. I'm so sorry it hasn't worked. Can you call in sick and go home?

happy sounds like my experience. They called the consultant in and three of them were staring at my lady parts and taking it im turns to try and manouvre the speculum into position. Barrel of laughs. Never again.
When do you kick off again then?

smidge we had to go to b&q tonight to find alternative nuts and bolts for our bed. A drill to make the holes bigger and job done. It'll be reet.

Clem when are you testing?

No transfer for me today. All three still going, one 9 cell and two 8 cells, so they're going to wait until tomorrow. Transfer at 4.

Barking this was the consultant! Who, when she failed, asked the nurse if she had any ideas . I start taking Progynova in preparation for the FET as soon as AF rocks up, which should be this weekend. ET will prob be mid April.

Fingers crossed happy, we're so overdue some luck on this thread it's untrue.

forty glad you had a nice break. Well done on hitting the gym. I have been eating a lot of crap this week and really should take better care of myself too. It is a brave thing to walk away from treatment, but I think an admirable choice. And at least the outcome is certain.

clem I have seen that written on the back of an Internet cheapie test. I think I've both waited the 10 mins for the pee to cool, and also tried dipping straight away. I'm not convinced it changes the outcome. I tested everyday when I was pg too.

tiger I'm so sorry . Did you go to work today or have you called in? How are you feeling?

happy omg the scratch indeed, that sounds a horrible experience. The first time I tried to do a scratch was in my useless first fc, it was horrid, they couldn't get through the cervix and had to abandon. Doc told me as I hadn't had children the opening in my cervix was too narrow and I'd have to have surgery to open it idiot. I didn't have surgery and my second fc didn't have any issues, and did about 4 of them. It hurts much less with a full bladder than without, unfortunately I didn't find out till later as I never read the instructions properly.

smidge if there's a private fc near you, perhaps you could get an external patient appointment for a blood test? My local place did this for my last cycle, which cost about £50. Although next time I might just save the cash and pimp for my bfn.

barking best of luck for your transfer today, fingers crossed you get a couple of good uns to put back.

Had my final scan today. The follie is now 17mm and the lining is a more respectable 8.6. So got the go ahead for ec on Thursday. It's taken a couple of days longer to progress this cycle, but with ec on day 10, that would make a 24 day cycle and I think that's a little closer to what my body should be doing naturally.

happy I've only ever used dipped or mid stream, and I've seen it written on a few (the internet cheapies (one step I think), and also the one I was given by the fc last week (uses a dropper system I think). always suspected it was a load of nonsense. sorry to hear your scratch was so traumatic...bloody hell, made me feel a bit funny, just reading it...glad you made it through in once piece.

smidge my otd is the 27th mar (sun), am hoping to hold out until then. bit like you I think I was to delay what may be reality.

barking hope your transfer went okay today.

seasame yes I agree, I don't think the temprature affects it (if it made such a difference, it would be on every single one of them out there). good to hear your follies are progressing well (your lining too). fc for ec on thur for you.

still not a fat lot going on with me (although am wondering if I am starting to feel some af type cramps)...they were very mild, didn't last long and haven't come back yet. am choosing to ignore for now.

also have a question for you (not trying to be a negative nelly, just realistic and trying to get my head in the right place in case these cramps reappear)...if I do get af/bfn this weekend...how soon can I likely start my next cycle? would this af be classed as a real one, or would fc's likely make me wait for a months time?

something to make you smile...I drove past a van, with this website on earlier: www.bfpwholesale.com I shit you not. if only it was that easy to pop down the wholesalers to get the bfp's that we all want soo much.

clem Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
Bfps wholesale - why didn't you swerve in front of the van and acquire one for all of us?!

sesame sounds promising, fingers crossed .

I have two embies on board. Just got to chill out until April Fool's Day now . Otd 5th April but fuck that, 1st will be 14dpo equivalent so if I manage to hold out until then then I think I'll be doing well.

Hurrah to PUPO status barking! Come on embies! April fools day sounds like a good day to test!

Fingers crossed for you too clem! Grab us all one of those bfps from the wholesalers would ya?! Hoping it won't be relevant but think the time they want you to wait depends on the FC but I would say at least one full cycle is advised. I need to decide what to do about my FET....not sure when to go for it and/or more tests like level one Immunes.

Great that all on track for egg collection sesame. That scratch experience sounds awful as does happy's. Crazy that we voluntarily do these things!

I didn't feel too bad today. Both the pain and the sadness were muted compared to yesterday, so I trooped into work as normal. Back to the default position of general disappointment and wondering if we'll ever have a family.

Saw my best mate, who cheered my up no end, and also shopped for my wedding make up, face is almost sorted! Knackered now though, early night for me!

Managed to speak to my GP this afternoon to ask about possibility/practicalities for getting the blood test. Have to say I'm mighty impressed with the staff at this health centre. Even the receptionist was lovely - such a change from the one in Sydney!

Doc is happy to fill out the form - I'll have to pay (fair enough) and then I had to speak to the practice manager about logistics and pricing. She was also very lovely, and is doing her best to squeeze me in tomorrow morning. Says the results usually take a few days though, so AliG will just have to wait. (Suspect Easter will make this even longer). I'll make my own decision to stop the prog pessaries as soon as I do my last pee stick. I think it will probably be cathartic to have nothing TTC left in the house.

House is coming along. We found the bolts and screws for the bed this morning, hurrah!! Also the key to a wardrobe, which is kind of handy as it was so close to impossible to get up the stairs, that it would have just had to stay there empty and forever useless. might have made a good Mumsnet thread in years to come.. I moved into a house which has a locked wardrobe in it. What do you think is inside

Loving being back in England. Hubby surviving so far. Planning to head to my favourite pub tonight to emphasise the plus points

Well done tiger at coping yesterday, but Grrr. We shouldn't have to get to the stage of resignedly accepting all this shit as standard. I'm sure I'll be joining you tomorrow.

Congrats on being pupo barking. Hope you and clem are doing ok. Clem how are you doing? Did the cramps come back? I still have no spotting, which is amazing for me, but I'm still 100% it's just a result of the way early transfer, coupled with the HCG. The boob comparison still proves a negative for me. It's my main sign is it weird to ask after your boobs?

Good luck for EC tomorrow Sesame. Your lining sounds great. Fingers crossed it goes smoothly.

Barking congrats on being PUPO :)
Sesame Good luck for your EC tomorrow
Tiger So sorry you've had a shitty time with the clinic. its just the icing on the cake when on top of all the other stresses we all have that the clinic are crap too.
Smidge Good luck hope you get squeezed in :)
Beaky sorry the decision making process is getting to you. Hope you had an amazing time at the beach
Happy Bloody hell the description made me queasy let along going through the actual practice. (although i did laugh a punched sorry)

I have to suffer the sister in law this weekend with her constant crap about' just relax it'll happen if you relax' (have you tried relaxing when you've got to stick needles in yourself every day of the week for weeks on end) I've told her enough times I could be the fucking Dalai Lama of calm and with our problems it isn't going to work. Still every time we see her we get that crap. Please tell me its ok to headbutt her (only half joking here). It seems to have been a bloody miserable couple of months (years) for everyone so far :( not wanting to be melodramatic but stamping feet when the fucking hell is it going to let up !! some good news would be awesome on this thread.

Bleugh ranty post is ranty. Sorry.

barking great to hear you are pupo. I think the 1st of april is a great day to test.

tiger good to hear that you were feeling a bit better yesterday. fab that your best mate cheered you up...they can be good like that. hope you are doing okay today.

smidge really good news that your gp seems to be so nice. its amazing the difference it makes, when these people are enthusiastic/pro active. have fun at the pub later.

seasame good luck for ec tomorrow, will be thinking of you.

forty you sil would do my head in (no wonder she is driving you mad). it never ceases to amaze me, how totally unaware/insensitive people can be.

things still quiet on this side. cramps don't seem to have come back yet (although I often get nothing, then blam af arrives suddenly and in force), but I may be sensing something (maybe very mild cramps/maybe overeating)...think I am just imagining it to be honest.

roll on sunday...this wait it driving me mad.

Tiger, so sorry to hear about the bleeding. It really sucks but you will get there. Hope you're ok

Barking congrats on being pupo!

Clem, hope your 2ww is going ok, we had embryo transfer the same day!

Sesame, hope all is good with you and your EC went well.

I know I haven't posted on here for a while now as have found it difficult to keep up and kind of wanted to think about the whole process a bit less during my most recent round of treatment but just wanted to report back that almost a year and 6 rounds of IVF later we finally got our bfp today at 9dp3dt. Obviously we are over the moon but very cautious at the moment.

Wow lucie that's wonderful . When you say 6th IVF, didn't you do lots of embryo banking, so was this your 6th transfer or just your first? (Or inbetween)

I'm afraid I don't have such good news to report. Big Fat BFN for me this morning.

That's it for us. There's no more it will happen now. It won't. We have to stop trying. And I have to stop hoping. The latter is the hard part. Any ideas on how to get rid of the hope (even using contraception doesn't help, as my stupid brain clings on to the most impossible what ifs)