We are jolly well going to have the number of babies we want and we will BROOK NO ARGUMENT. Join us if you refuse to take "no" for an answer and like smacking rats.

[Imps9]

We will get there. We will all of us get there. And we will brook no argument.

Oh and re: your nosy well meaning friend Beedle - what a PITA! Though you've reassured me that Mr I and I have done the right thing for us by not telling anybody at all about IVF/TTC. I could not bear the prying.

That sounds like a perfect weekend Imps, I hope you have a lovely time.

Sorry about the bfn Trix, bloody bum sticks.

Beedle, that's amazing!! Go E and E!!! When are you testing lovely, j can't remember.

Mol, I agree that it would be good to go and speak to the supervisor of midwives. I think it will do you the power of good. Do you think some if your worry lies in the fact that he consultant advised against the last CS? If he had said it was the best thing, would you still be questioning your decision? Sometimes, it's perfectly ok to go against medical professionals. They all have different opinions themselves. I think it's really important to find a MW that fully understands and backs your decisions and understands your background.

Has Pasta had her baby?! Have I missed something?

Far, it's totally understandable you had a wobble. It's all such a head fuck. Deffo some preggo dreams going on there

That's gorgeous Imps!

have I missed mini pastas birth!
imps here lies the slight problem. I'm pretty sure af is due this week but I haven't kept track of my cycles since N was born. I haven't noticed that they are significantly different to my usual 28 days though and I'm pretty sure I ov at the time you would expect to. so have no idea when I ov'd really or what day specificly af is due. I usually go by how many days before af I'm testing rather than dpo anyway and do tend to be more of an evening tester. I think a frer would have been more accurate but the digi says you can test 4 days early, although I suppose it could be 5. we dtd 11 days ago if that helps (and Sunday but I'm not counting that)

tempted to get more tests now!

imps luckily she's not someone I see very often, in the end I think her husband realised she was annoying me and distracted her whilst we escaped! But you would have thought that me changing the subject once would have been enough. Luckily the few other people who know pretty much never mention it unless I do first.

trix it sounds a bit early for a cb digital to work, and I think if you read the small print 4 days actually includes teh day AF is due, so in most peoples' thinking that's only 3 days early.

has pasta had her little macaroni?

OTD is friday, its ages away!!!

Just a quick check in, I am still in hospital hoping to be discharged today.

Rebecca Mary was born at 2.41pm on Sunday, 8lb 14oz after being induced with possible waters broken but no progression. I had a PPH and ended up in theatre after hence still being in hospital.

Yay!!!! Congratulations lovely Pasta!!! What a beautiful Mothers day present!!! And a beautiful name. Hope you are feeling better after the pph and that they let you go soon so you can enjoy your new addition

congratulations pasta Sounds a bit scary, but I guess you are on the mend if they might let you out today. Enjoy those newborn snuggles.

Ohhhhhhhhhh Pasta yaaaay! Congratulations to you and hello to the newest Brooker on the block! What a lovely name too. Good on you, love, well done

Although what's a PPH?

Post partum hemorrhage. Basically I was bleeding so heavily they had to take me to theatre to stop it. I was in theatre for 4 hours. Proper serious, scary stuff but they managed to stop it just before the level of needing a transfusion and have been working on getting my iron levels up since.

Oh! Good god. Not exactly a sneeze birth then

Blimey pasta that sounds scary. Hope you and Rebecca are doing well.

Think I'm out this month. I have some ominous cramps which I am struggling to consider as anything other than the onslaught of af. Will still test tom am if I get that far. They do seem to be more toward the front than normal cramps and on poking my boobs aren't that sore compared to last month when they were agony but a bfn. So in summary who the fuck knows with any of this shit....

Congratulations pasta on the arrival of your baby Sounds like you went through a tough time with your PPH, but hopefully you'll be well on the mend now

Thank-you everyone for your advice about my worries from Sunday - all very valuable and have helped to bring me down (and not at all stern, Gob).

I've kind of took a deep breath today and had another look at the green-top guidelines (a reliable website from the RCOG) to do with birth after a CS: the statistics that I worry about come in at something like 0.31% (placenta accreta), 0.42 (hysterectomy) for 2nd CS, which means there is a 99.something% chance of those things not happening. The only statistic that I was still a little concerned by was the chance of placenta praevia with accreta: 3% in first sections the jumps to 11% for second ones. But that's if you habe placenta praevia in the first place, and I didn't see what the stats for praevia alone were.

Anyway, I'm waffling. I'll consider a debrief concerning my 2 births but tbh, I don't know how much satisfactory info would come from it: there was no medical reason (from my consultant's POV) why I needed the ELCS and as I've already had one 'successful' VB (as in a living baby came out of my you-know-what), I'd be a good candidate for VBAC (this is according to those same green-top guidelines).

It's frustrating in that I was well up for just trying and seeing what happens last week, then I read that other thread and completely freaked myself out and although I'm calming down, it's in the back of my mind.

My consultant did say on the day he booked me in for the ELCS "Statistics are all very well and good, but it either happens to you, or it doesn't and no-one can ever know that".

I'll never know if that was meant to be comforting or not (probably not). And yes, it would all sit so much more comfortably with me if he'd recommend I have the CS. I used to will dd2 to be breech

mol - I thought that, under the NICE guidelines, every woman had the right to a section if she wanted one. I might be wrong though. However, what I'm hoping the debrief might lead to is confirmation that the consultant was a cretin. He sounds horrible

Congrats pasta - glad to hear you've both recovered well. Enjoy lovely new born snuggles

hinky - booooo. Don't discount things yet. I was convinced AF was coming

I may or may not have accidentally peed on a stick this evening. I'm kidding myself that I could see something. But then again maybe not. Testing again tomorrow with a cb and fmu.

hinky - photo! Don't dare go to bed!

Honestly I tried to photo but you couldn't see a thing. Then I deleted the photos they were that bad!

I think we should be the judge of that!

Right, new Brooking Rule - no one is allowed to delete any photos of pee sticks without the express written permission of each and every Brooker.

Pee on another stick NOW Hinky.

Please.

hinky its morning now

still ok here, though I did convince myself this morning that the progesterone residue coming out of me was the slightest bit darker than usual, but then there was nothing more so I'm sure it was just me seeing things. But it scared me for a few minutes.

imps should I have taken a photo of my pant liner so you could assess it for colour changes? :o :o

Stand down. bfn x 2

Oh, bugger. Sorry hinky.

Bfn here too. Period due any time now and even an FRER wouldn't say what I wanted it to.

No point pissing on an IC to see if it has a different opinion, I guess.

Blah!

Sorry about your faulty pee-sticks hinky and running, but I shall thankyou for sacrificing yourselves to the negative pee-stick gods so that I can sneak a positive in on Friday without them noticing