We are jolly well going to have the number of babies we want and we will BROOK NO ARGUMENT. Join us if you refuse to take "no" for an answer and like smacking rats.

[Imps9]

We will get there. We will all of us get there. And we will brook no argument.

Looks like this bean isn't a sticky one either. I slept well last night and Wed night, which is not normal for me as I get insomnia in pregnancy the whole way through, so I had ordered some tests yesterday from boots, which arrived today, as I was hoping for reassurance as my uterus area is still feeling like it should, but the FRER I have just done has no second line. I know it's not FMU that I used but by now I would expect a strong line at any time of the day as I think I am now 17-19dpo, and 2 weeks after I first felt implantation starting. Had still taken the aspirin and progesterone this morning, but have emailed the consultants secretary to see what I should do now. Just got silly paranoia that it might be ectopic because I have feelings in my uterus area and seem to recall reading something about the hcg levels being low if it's ectopic which is probably crazy talk but just wish I could see what the hell is going on inside my body as to why this doesn't seem to have worked. Unless it's just a bad egg and that the medication I am on will work when we get a good egg. It's the not knowing. And then part of me thinks is this the world and universe telling me I should be glad for the two children I have and that's my lot and I should just accept it instead of keeping on trying. But I really wanted this baby. Have no hope now, unless first response suddenly announce they have had a production issue and the tests are wrong.

I'm sorry to hear that loopy but I don't think its the universe trying to tell you anything, just that this little egg and sperm weren't quite right together. It certainly doesn't mean it won't work next time, especially now you have all your meds sorted. But there's nothing wrong with feeling sad that this one didn't make it. (hugs)

Oh Loopy - I am really sorry to hear this. I hope the consultant comes back promptly and can provide some help/reassurance re: ectopic worries

Oh Loopy I am so sorry to read this. The universe is telling you nothing please don't look at it in that way. Your consultant will have answers and with the worry about the ectopic, you are on notice and will be able to get it checked out as soon as you possibly can.

Wish I could give you a RL cuddle.

So sorry to hear this Loopy. I hope the consultant can get back to you very soon

Am feeling a bit under the weather.

Diffed.

Imps, for real diffed?

Well, no..."brooking" diffed.

Thought it was a bit early to be real. Oh well. Will update re me tomorrow when I have a clue what's going on, booked in for tests at hospital

Yay Beedle!! PUPO! I hope Erik and Ernie are getting v comfy. We are overdue some Brooking twins...Great news on the 2 frosties as well. Ouch to the needle in your bladder though
Are you on cyclogest this time then? That's what I've always had for progesterone. I bloody hated them, it was a relief when I finally stopped taking them at 13 weeks, panty liners all the way!

I've always had sedation for EC and it may well have been a GA as I have never remembered a thing! My first memory after being cannulated is always having DH next to me telling me how many eggs we got

Imps how's little implette getting on? Not long until fri 13th, I've had some very lucky days on fri 13th so am hoping its a lucky day for you and implette too

Gob I remember you! Am I right in thinking DC1 took a while ttc and DC2 was a surprise? Have you tested again? Fwiw I can see lines on all your photos! Do you live in the north west then? I live in Manchester

Sparks how are you and the delightful Twinks doing? Hope your feeling ok?

Loopy hope you get some answers either way. So sorry it doesn't look like this one is sticking around. Please don't despair though, I'm sure you will get there, it might just take a little bit longer

Welcome Running

Keep and Maybs how are S and A doing? Maybe you might need to put some pictures on of A as I'm having withdrawal from not seeing her cute face on FB. Oh and throw in one of Otis too as I love his big teddy bear face!

AFM im 25 weeks, I've finally got random people asking if I'm pregnant so I guess my bump is well and truly here. I'm suffering with spd but my midwife doesn't seem to care so I'm just trying to take it easy. Im feeling a bit broke as have had to buy a new car. My lovely old ford Ka finally died on me. I've now upgraded to a slightly more modern baby friendly fiesta. I was feeling so posh yesterday with my central locking and air con . Has anyone done NCT classes? I'm trying to weigh up if they are worth it. The only ones in my area are running from the end of March to the end of April which seems too early to me as I'm not due until June. Plus I really need a new iPad and can't do both! Any thoughts?

Sorry if I've missed owt, it's not easy to mn on my phone

I mean I can't afford to buy a new iPad and do NCT classes! See this is why I need an iPad! I won't be able to keep up with you brookers otherwise

25 weeks Cups!!!!! I bet your blooming. I need a bump shot!!!! NCT is a tough one. I did it, but I don't think I'd do it again given the chance. I've hardly seen them and have found it very cliquey. I have made better mum friends elsewhere. I do think it depends purely on the group of people you're with. As for actual information, I learnt nothing that I didn't already know. But my hypnobirthing course was the best thing I did. I'll pop a photo of A up for you

Any news Gob?

You're so diffed Imps!! Symptoms? Beedle?

For Cups!

Morning everyone and thank you for the warm welcome. Sure I'll get the hang of the lingo soon... "diffed"?!

As for NCT, NoCups, I didn't do it, but then nhs classes are really good in my area and I didn't see the point in spending the cash. Met some lovely people at preggo yoga too, but not still in touch with any of them - mainly as they all had a year of mat leave and I only had 4 months. Buy the iPad instead, I say!

Anyway, operation upduffed continues. Spent all this morning throwing up after a week of nausea, so am being a bad mother and have plonked DS in front of the tv. He's not even dressed yet. Bad mummy.

My rational head says it's too early for morning sickness even if I am pg (negative test Thursday) but it's a good sign....right?!

Hello my gorgeous lovelies! A is napping so I've got a quiet moment to catch up with you all, and there is so much going on!!

Cups wow 25 weeks!! I'm still so pleased for you! NCT is a tricky one, really depends on the group you get, we did it and we do still meet up and it's nice to have ladies you can ask advice or to moan about every now and again but it can be hit and miss. Mind you, you won't really learn much from the actual classes. We also did the NHS class and I'm also still in contact with them in fact we're all 9 of us having a meal out tonight! Also did pregnancy yoga and kept in contact with a couple of mums there too so you can make friends elsewhere without doing NCT is the point I'm trying to make!

Welcome Running and may I say you look particularly diffed indeed! I have a Brooking ivf baby who took a while but he's here now with some great support from the lovely ladies here!!

Maybe A and you are simply gorgeous, I could just eat her up!!

Loopy so sorry to hear about all you are going through, how are you this morning?

Beedle and Imps I see diffedness suits you both particularly well, can't wait to hear when you both confirm the obvious!

Gobbo I see a line! It's only bound to get stronger now!

So good to hear from you Sparks and Dino

Keep how are you? Are your embies here yet?

We are doing good here although we're just coming out of a bout of cold and flus! A turned 1 last week, I'm not quite sure how that happened though!!

loopy I'm sorry to hear that.
cups I did nct but learnt naff all from it really. I am still in touch with the whole group, the only reason we don't all see each other much now is that everyone is back at work, so was worth it for the friends I've made. my nhs class was massive and not much chance to talk, I was friendly with one woman for a bit as we were in hospital together she was induced after me and has always joked that she was pleased I was quick do she didn't have to wait any longer! we have drifted apart though. so Yeh get the I pad I think because as others have said there wasn't much info and you can make friends else where. actually although the nhs antenatal wasn't good for making friends the postnatal was I see at least a few of them most weeks.
how are things going keep?
imps are you tempted to test early?? gob* I know nothing about ic's but u are clearly diffed.
hiya running diffed means pregnant

Went to hospital this morning for blood test and they finally called me about an hour ago to say hcg level is virtually back to zero so this bean definitely won't be going any further. Am to stop progesterone and aspirin and the consultant or his secretary will contact me on Monday. The doctor I saw today was a nice woman, a few years younger than me, she said given the medication I was on, it's most likely that this one fertilised and implanted but that there was something wrong with it which is why it has stopped developing, and that my body will eventually realise this and then start bleeding, rather than my body killing it like before. (My last mc in Jan I had major pain on a Monday, how I imagine it would feel if you were stabbed, and then near enough 24 hours later I started bleeding, which they think was caused by a clot occurring on the Monday). She felt my uterus area and said that she can't feel anything that would cause discomfort or pressure on my left side and doesn't think I'm in any danger but to go back if I develop strong pains. Just feel drained, and a bit selfish putting us all through this again and again. Ds1 had to miss his swimming class because of this today. Tried to make it a bit of a fun day, discovered there is a big park behind the woodland area by the hospital so DH took children there and I walked across afterwards, then had a drive thru McDonald's for dinner on the way home, ds2 is 2 1/2 and has never had one before and ds1 has only had 3 of them and he is 4 so it was a massive treat to them. But I really can't shake that I want another baby, had 2 of their cousins here in the week and seeing 4 children happily scribbling around a table just felt so right and I really don't want to stop at just 2 children, but then I think of how lucky I already am compared to those of you who are still struggling to have one, and I feel guilty for being ungrateful. Need hormones to calm down I think. I will be keeping everything crossed that Imps and Beedle both hit the jackpot this month as I can't think of anyone else who deserves it more, after the amount if time you have waited, Imps you were here when I first joined the brooking threads in 2011 I think when Dream introduced me to the threads and you have been so supportive to everyone for so long, I really hope you get a BFP this month.

Re nct, we did them and it was worth it for the company in the first few years. Contact died out with half of them when the first 12 months was up, and then we we had second babies, another one dropped out of seeing us and another one was quite fickle too. I've now moved so doubt will ever see them again, but still chat on Facebook with 2 of them now and then. If we ever get a sticky bean again, I'd probably do a course again to meet people in our new area, so that the baby had some play mates and to have people for company. As ds1 will be at school from September and by the time any baby comes along ds 2 would get his free nursery hours, plus we have childcare vouchers so in theory he could do 4 sessions a week giving me time to bond with baby and socialise with other babies, plus as ds1 had major reflux, it's always a worry that we may end up with a very demanding baby unlike ds2 who was an utter breeze to look after. Sorry, brain mushed and am rambling!

So sorry Loooy

So lovely to see you Solars. How is A one already .

How is everyone today?

Loopy I am so sorry. Fwiw I
don't think you are being selfish or ungrateful at all. I think it's very selfless of you to be worrying how it affects your DC and to be thinking of other people who have struggled. Your DC will soon forget missing out on an activity, kids are fickle like that!! Please don't beat yourself up for wanting another DC, that's a completely natural urge and take it easy on yourself as you've been through a lot lately

I do completely agree with you though that Beedle and Imps are way overdue their babies! I'm Brooking like I've never brooked before for you both. And I'm always Brooking for Geek and Scarlett too wherever they may be

Maybe I cant believe how different A looks. So grown up! She is adorable. What a lovely picture of you both too

Thanks for everyone's thoughts on NCT. I'm leaning towards not doing it. I've been doing yoga since 19 weeks and haven't managed to make any friends so I think NCT would probably be the same. I get so nervous in groups. I've tried really hard the last few weeks to put myself out there and chat to people but you can't force these things. I was mainly thinking of NCT as DH would be with me and he has no trouble making friends. I wish I had his self confidence!

Ps i will try to doing a bump shot but when I've tried before I tend to just look fat and tired rather than glamorously pregnant!

Sparks glad to hear your ok. What major changes have you made?

Solars happy 1st birthday to your lovely boy! I can't believe how quick time goes

So sorry to read your news Loopy Try not to let those guilty feelings take over. When we were struggling ttc dd2, I had similar feelings: we already had dd1, why wasn't she 'enough'? But then I realised that most people ttc and get pg by 6m (right? It's usually by 12m I think), so they never have to face that question. And once I realised that, I felt less guilty.

I saw some friends last night, one whose baby is about to turn 1yo. The baby has started to stand/tentative first steps and my friend was bittersweet as the baby days have whizzed by. Another friend said 'so, maybe it's time to try for no.3?' and my friend said 'If I was 10y younger I'd have more, but as I'm 41 and crap at pg. I'm done!'

I am 10y younger and have done pg well (when it's finally happened, that is). I'm seeing signs everywhere! Don't even get me started on the family with 3 adorable boys in the park on Friday!

Loopy, I hope my last post didn't come across as insensitive. I was talking about my experience struggling ttc. I think there are similarities in that most conceive within a relatively small timeframe/most conceive and do not suffer repeat mcs. I identified with those feeling of guilt you've expressed and I hope I haven't put my foot in my mouth