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When's the best time to get pregnant? Use our interactive ovulation calculator to work out when you're most fertile and most likely to conceive.

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MuddyWellyNelly · 11/11/2014 16:23

New thread full of the most amazing women.

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joycep · 18/12/2014 08:13

Cos - that is miraculous! Or is it? Because as critter says I think you could be like a normal person starting out now (well apart from that small thing of the 7+ years of fertility hell you've been through to get here(!) ) . But you have now got pregnant completely naturally in better than standard time. This must be evidence that the septum was the sole reason for all the crap you have been through all along. Anyway this is of no comfort when you are in these first few weeks but I believe in your miracle so hang on in there.
The doc was fine yesterday but I was expecting a bit more from 16weeks appt, I thought they would check heartbeats and check my weight etc. I am very much in denial or disbelief I will get to delivery stage yet so I felt quite removed from what he was saying and my focus is on an early anomaly scan next week.

Critter - nye is not far off now. Interesting about the calcium because I desired milk and cheese in those first weeks and I assumed that was a message coming from embryo that they needed calcium. And what is genetic counselling? DIsn't you make your embryos when you were 33 or 34? I have noted that the docs here have pointed out I was 34 when I had ivf even though I was good as 35. Glad you are still on the progesterone until 12 weeks. I am still dragging mine out because Im too scared to stop.

I do hope neurotic and anxious pregnant woman doesn't equal neurotic mother (if it comes to that!)

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 18/12/2014 08:18

I was going to say that, critter, your embies were made earlier and have exactly the same likelihood of anomalies as any of a 33 year old. I thought they took that into account, w anomaly scans here...

berrygoround · 18/12/2014 11:31

Pikz, best of luck. Let's hope it brings the same result as last time!

Fluffy your numbers sound great. Sorry you're in so much discomfort though. Your DH's orders sound wise.

Haha, Nelly I'll forgive you! I think if people haven't suffered with period pain it can be very difficult to imagine the pain that other people can suffer given that we're all going through the same process. When I had a missed miscarriage, I started to have a natural miscarriage before having an ERPC as it didn't complete and I can honestly say my period pain was on a par with miscarriage pain. It will make such a big difference to me if it goes away!

Cos I think those crampy feelings are completely normal and sadly so is the complete headfuckery they cause. Are you having a blood test to check if levels rising correctly or waiting for a scan?

Joy, sorry to hear your appointment wasn't what you wanted. I suppose they have to tell you about the risks but it just feels very negative and I'm sure you've read it all online anyway. I said to my mum the other day that if I have a baby, I would like to have twin boys. There are 8 children under 4 in my extended family but they are all girls and none have been twins so I childishly said to my mum that when I reproduce I want to do something different. You are living my dream Smile

Critter glad you got to see your lovely OB and I hope it provided you with some comfort. Has the woolly hug arrived? I am sat under a quilt that I bought when I had my miscarriage and I like to think that one day it can go on my future child's bed.

Buzzybee123 · 18/12/2014 14:09

joy I was a delightful fruit basket during pregnancy and I am not neurotic at all as a mother refuses to say how many times I have called 111 Do the babies have their own placentas?? I suppose the conversation is grime about the complications but best to know, if in doubt go to the hospital straight away

critter you are a true lady, not farting in front of Mr C, you would be mortified if you came round here especially at the moment as I have a hacking 40 a day cough going on that makes me pee and fart at the same time Grin

cos cramps are normal but hard not to worry about what is going on, are the clinic going to scan you or will you have to organise that yourself

fluffy as news on the fluffettes

I have come to the realisation that I cannot cook and yet I am cooking Christmas lunch, thank feck for M&S

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MuddyWellyNelly · 18/12/2014 14:49

Critter and Joy, forgot you both yesterday, sorry!

Critter I am glad that your other friend had her healthy happy baby; and it should hopefully also be reassuring that your OB was so aghast to hear about the friend who lost her second baby. He obviously considers it very uncommon, otherwise he would have just spouted platitudes; but sounded like he was as shocked as all of us. It's so desperately sad for your friend of course. I can only imagine how hard it is to think what to say or do; but I often read that when support is most needed is later on, when people start to forget about it and assume you are doing ok. That's maybe when she most needs to know are there for her.

Thanks also for the second reminder about water drinking, I'm so rubbish at it. I think as it's so cold that I can't face it. I must try to be better at this. I bet if they prescribed wine I'd be fine....

I'm sorry about the scary twin chat Joy. It's a tricky balance between knowing what problems to look out for so that intervention can be applied; and not just freaking you out. Will be keeping everything crossed for the anomaly scan. The worry really doesn't stop does it? The neurotic mother crossed my mind today too. But the thing is, when the baby is here, it's about doing things, actions, practical steps you take. When pregnant it's all in the hands of wicked mother nature and except for a few obvious things, there is bugger all we can do about it. I'm sure we will all be hyper-attentive, but honestly I bet all new mums are. But you can look at your babies and see what they are doing, take their temperature, assess their poo Xmas Grin . It's always been the uncontrollable nature of inferility (and now pregnancy) that got to me. I am desperate for the pro-active stage.

Pikz was the op today? Hope it went well.

Fluffy, have you had any updates yet? How is the pain and water glugging going?

Cos thinking of you so much just now.

Had my MW booking in appt today (8+2, all being well). It was supposed to be in 4 weeks time but the consultant I saw last week called her and asked for it to be moved forward. Oh, I forgot I said I would mention that:

So I went to my GP two weeks ago to see about getting the rest of my meds on the NHS, I used the line that I was sure they'd rather monitor me than have me do it privately. He wasn't sure but the consultant agreed to see me. Had my scan and then had a chat with him. He was really nice actually, understood everything we had gone through, had taken the time to call the consultant I saw initially when referred, had read my case notes. Didn't know I'd done own egg IVF as far as I'm aware, but knew this was donor and overseas. He did seem quite interested in whether it was ICSI for some reason (it wasn't). Anyway, he didn't patronise us for being fairly desperate, but hinted a little at the fact that overseas clinics often use "No evidence of problems" as a basis for using drugs, whereas in the UK they focus more on "evidence of usefulness". I got that, yet explained that the clinic had very good results with their protocols. His main concern was the safety of drugs. He was happy for me to continue on clexane and progesterone but didn't see why I needed the oral as well as the vaginal, so I used up my existing supply and am now just on the vaginal. He asked me to stop the oestrogen; I was due to stop that very soon anyway so I've just been cutting it down as per the Serum recommendation. His main concern was steroids. Although he knew about immune reactions, and was aware that the steroids can improve implantation rates, he said they often then see increased problems with the placenta later on, at around 33 or 34 weeks. Apparently one of the jobs that your immune system does is to stop the placenta attaching itself too deeply. I thought this was interesting and not something I've heard of before. As I've never had immunes diagnosed, (although had 2 heavy colds since I started them when I never normally get them) and I had already had implantation, I have decided to take his advice and start weaning off them. Today was my last one. I was on quite a low dose anyway and the clinic wanted me to stop after week 10 so it's not too much earlier.

Today was MW booking day. She was lovely, but was a bit bizarre having a random conversation about skin to skin contact after birth. Urine test was fine for glucose and protein, blood pressure was normal but at the low end. Have had blood taken for all manner of things and agreed to do the NT even though my "age" will be classed as 28 as that's how old the donor is. Our council is a fairly deprived area so donor IVF isn't that common, I was only the second one she'd had. She also commented that BF in our area is a rubbish percentage so as an incomer perhaps I'd consider helping up their stats Grin. Again, was surreal to discuss, I just said I'd like to consider it but not set either way, and she was absolutely fine about it, didn't get any lectures. But I just answered any of those questions in a very vague way due to aforementioned cynicism and terror. She marked me as high risk for my scan, but explained she was just doing this as sometimes the sonographers are in a bit of a hurry, by putting high risk they will take more time, and she said she was only doing it "because it's a very precious pregnancy". That bit made me well up a little bit, she seemed to really get it.

So, private scan on Sunday (the wibbles are at low level but increasing now). Otherwise things are fine, no more spotting since the one time had a slightly odd pain last night but I'm trying to not second guess those. Then depending on what we decide, it's 4 weeks today until my 12 week scan which now seems ages away. I think there is a good chance I will book a private one in between. I seem to inadvertently be under consultant led care but I think if I hadn't asked my GP to prescribe the drugs that probably wouldn't have happened. I'm not aware that I would have been picked out of the system otherwise. Trying to remain calm and positive, but mainly trying to keep distracted.

Sorry for the very long Me post Blush

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MuddyWellyNelly · 18/12/2014 14:53

Cross post Donna, it's definitely not a closed group. In fact as more people graduate it's good (in a way!) that more people join. Everyone on here is really lovely.

Sorry to hear about your husband's sperm results. Can you put his actual numbers up? I'm not an expert as it was one thing we were lucky with. But there are things you can do to improve some of the numbers; and ICSI can work. Gin is a particular poster child for us here.

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CritterPants · 18/12/2014 15:44

donna if sperm exist, then it's possible for you to get pregnant. It might be ICSI - we have a lovely poster, gin, who did this for her little girl, I'm sure she'll be along to share her wisdom.

nelly that's lovely about the midwife saying it is a precious pregnancy. She is right, it is. And much better to be labelled high risk and get extra care and attention than not, and have something vital missed. Interesting on the oestrogen, I'm still meant to be taking mine. I wonder why he said you could stop?

cos how are things? Must be nailbiting. I'm trying to remember, your earlier mcs were around 6 weeks, right? So you just need to get through the next tortuous few days and then maybe you can have a reassurance scan. Oh I have everything crossed so tightly for you.

lemon you're right, I was 33 when this embie was conceived. I didn't remind the doc of that though. I think it's just for their protocols and for box ticking. Weirdly the genetic counselling is supposed to be before the scan - they apparently take a family history, which seems pointless in my case as my family history is pretty dire what with J and my mum's stillbirth and I don't need them to tell me that. I kind of feel either the kid will be ok or it won't.

joy I agree that twin boys will be so much fun and so awesome and crazy. I'm so excited for you my love.

berry glad you're snuggled under the quilt, and yes, you will have a little person under it with you soon. Hang in there, 2015 will be a better year. You can see a pic of mine here

fluffy any word on your embryos?

buzz you do make me laugh Xmas Grin sorry you're poorly though.

berrygoround · 18/12/2014 17:42

Buzzy your posts crack me up!

Donna we're definitely not a closed group. I've only been here a few months but have found this thread so helpful and supportive. I can't help with the sperm count, our problem is me! Hopefully someone will come along with some better advice soon.

Nelly I had a lump in my throat reading that your MW said this is a precious pregnancy. How lovely that she gets it.

Critter the blanket is just beautiful. It's such a lovely thing for mumsnetters to have done for you. People can be so kind.

loopylou1984 · 18/12/2014 17:45

Hi everyone, and welcome Donna.

Donna - this is the only thread I feel comfortable on, I find many of the others far too chirpy, with too much 'baby dust' being thrown around!

Will do a proper catch up post later when I'm on the laptop but just wanted to say that we got our first appointment date through today... For Monday morning! Talk about short notice! Dh can make it though which is lucky at this time of year.

I think I'm going to have to tell my manager... I don't really want to but she's been through this and I feel like she might be more understanding about the time off if she knows what it's for. Given the time of year I won't get away with taking holiday.

Even though I've been eagerly waiting for this letter to arrive it's also made me a bit sad (and scared) as I really can't believe this hasn't happened naturally for us ??
What can I expect from this very first appointment? Xx

Deeray · 18/12/2014 18:02

Hi Donna, very quick post because I'm secretly mnetting but I will reply to you properly tomorrow. My dh has very low sperm too and we are a few years in now so if you have any questions I might know some of the answers. As long as there is one sperm then icsi can work. Has he just had the one test?

Pikz · 18/12/2014 18:16

Critter, nelly, joy and cos wishing the previous pregnancies love

Donna I am sorry I don't know much of the sperm issues but big hugs

Sammy the first one is usually a lot of info giving. I found it easier to write everything I wanted to get across down so I didn't get flustered and forget vital stuff

Ops all went well today. Berry I am suffering with the gas too. The found severe adhesions blocking right tube and right side of uterus plus some thin ones on my left and lots of endo due to csection scar.all removed so fingers crossed.

MuddyWellyNelly · 18/12/2014 18:16

Sammy if it's like mine I had some history taken, then a dildo-cam to look at the uterus and ovaries (ask them for the AFC - Antral Follicle Count). Then saw the consultant who for us recommended IVF, but kindly told us we'd be best going private as I was old and running out of time. Not maybe in so many words, and I doubt that is what you will hear! They did refer me for an HSG too though, and that happened relatively quickly.

Critter, my clinic were going to have me stop this week anyway. I think I was taking it to support the lining, but I'm not really sure. I've been a bit ostrich about the whole thing. The consultant didn't say "stop taking it because it will do x or y" he just said that there was no evidence that it was helping in any way and therefore why risk taking extra drugs.

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Pikz · 18/12/2014 18:17

And fluffy how are envies?

How are buzz and Lembie now?

loopylou1984 · 18/12/2014 18:26

Thanks Pikz and Nelly.

Nelly - does it matter what point you're at in your cycle for AFC?

Pikz - I feel so out of my depth... Other than the above suggestion from Nelly I don't even know where to begin with questions?!

TBH I know I'm going to end up in tears (I'm terrible for crying when sad and nervous!) so I'm not sure I'll be asking anything, it might be down to dh! X

Pikz · 18/12/2014 18:42

Sammy they all have boxes of tissues!

Just start with the facts.

  1. Trying to x long
2.cycles are x y z
  1. I have noticed about my body x y z

They will then suggest next steps, usually a didlo can scan and hsg plus sperm analysis

Pikz · 18/12/2014 18:45

Ask for written next steps and clarify everything you don't get as the words sound long and scary but they aren't so much.

Look at the incredible things that have happened on this thread. My little man calls himself mummy's magic man as he has been known as that from conception as we were so shocked agonist all the odds that we had a ironic diff like cos. 4 weeks from beginning ivf

loopylou1984 · 18/12/2014 19:31

Thank you Pikz, that's all really helpful.
I'm glad we're getting to see someone before Christmas, just a bit shocked at only4 days notice! X

Pikz · 18/12/2014 19:33

Probably for similar reasons I had my op today. Lots of people don't like to do this stuff over Xmas and the consultants therefore have gaps

Pikz · 18/12/2014 19:40

‘TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS (IVF STYLE)
DECEMBER 21, 2010
‘Twas the day of the transfer and out the door we went,
My hormones were raging and I felt emotionally spent.
The stockings were hung by the stirrups with care,
In hopes that a baby soon would be there.

The nurse was prepping and readying the bed,
While visions of implantation danced in my head.
Me in my paper gown, and my husband in his cap,
I was getting ready to settle down for my Valium nap.

When out in the waiting room there arose such a clatter,
My husband sprang from the OR to see what was the matter.
Down the hall he flew like a flash,
Ran into the receptionist and gave her the cash.

The florescent light beamed down from the ceiling above,
Giving the lustre of paleness to my true love.
When, what to our wondering eyes should appear,
A man in a white coat and I felt nothing but fear.

With a look in his eye that said nothing was missed,
I knew in a moment it must be my reproductive endocrinologist.
More rapid than pregnancy news, his assistants they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name!

“Now Betty! now, Alice! now, Sally and Sue!”
“On, Donna! On, Margaret! on, on Kelly and Drew!”
“Get the embryologist in here. Get her right away.”
“We’re ready to do this! I hope this will be your lucky day!”

As we said a prayer and everyone got ready,
The doctor pulled the catheter trigger and held it real steady.
So, up to the uterine lining it flew,
With a shot full of embryos and culture solution, too.

And then, in a twinkling, I knew I desperately needed to pee,
I said, “My bladder is about to explode, don’t you see?”
As I wiggled and squirmed and looked for my man,
I turned just in time to see him coming with a bed pan.

He was dressed in paper footies and was as handsome as ever,
I sighed in relief and immediately felt better.
I laid still for 20 minutes while he watched the clock,
Then, in someone came. “You can get up,” said the doc.

But his eyes, they were serious,
He said, “There’s something we need to discuss.”
“Lay still for three days, before you get up and go,”
“You must give those embryos time to burrow in and grow.”

So off we went as my husband wheeled me away,
Back to car and we were on our way.
I laid in the backseat and looked at the embryo picture,
And, hoped with all my might that God might hear my whisper.

I felt chubby and plump, from all the hormones,
And, then thought of tomorrow’s injections with a groan.
With a wink of my eye and a twist of my head,
I knew the two-week-wait would be something to dread.

When we arrived back home, my mom went straight to her work,
She made a great lunch, then turned with a jerk.
She said, “You just lay there to relax and rest.”
“Leave everything to me and don’t you stress.”

With two weeks to wait and Lovenox to endure,
We readied ourselves for heartache some more.
I stressed about my symptoms and missed a glass of wine,
Then we prepared for the big test and we hoped for two lines.

loopylou1984 · 18/12/2014 19:53

Pikz - that's brilliant! Xx

Buzzybee123 · 18/12/2014 20:19

Nelly I was under a consultant, not sure if it was age,DE, immunes Confused I was just happy to have as much care and attention as possible, I also had the NT and the rest of the blood tests even though my donor was 25, best to be reassured. Mr S said that steroids after the first trimester can cause problems with the placenta and it detaching or something so that is why they stop it then, do not be rushed by sonographers, I had a lovely saffa one who I knew from my first pregnancy/miscarriages, she was great with me, took an interest in the whole DE, she did say she had a nurse who also had DE and had 5 put back, needless to say it didn't end well Hmm
Book the scan, you can always cancel it if you decide to wait until 12 weeks Grin
Did you say up thread that they wouldn't give you the flu jab, I was told as long as you didn't have a temp it was ok.

donna welcome, we have had a flurry of newbies, Barry had average sperm then it all seemed to go to shit, when we did DE overseas they also did ICSI as his contribution on the day was classed as Azoospermia , gotta love that word but basically no sperm there, they found a few decent sperm, they managed to fertilize 7 eggs on the day and have a baby to show for it so it is possible, don't give up :) I think for men its more of an ego thing like it affects their manliness although those numbers are not that bad

pikz thanks for asking,now you will wish you hadn't we are in sickness hell, I have no immunity to anything and this is my 3rd cough of the year, the staff at Boots think I have a cough mixture addiction Hmm GP's can't decide if I have asthma or not, my peak flow tests are never good which is amusing as I am full of hot air Grin but not enough puff for their liking I really just want to stop peeing myself, although this evening BB actually peed on me Hmm

sammy good advice from others, I didn't have treatment here so can't help, maybe telling your boss might help take the pressure off you for appointments

Buzzybee123 · 18/12/2014 20:22

pikz Grin

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