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For anyone TTC or thinking about TTC with Soy Isoflavones

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Disneylandkilledmychildhood · 23/10/2014 21:18

I will be starting soy isoflavones tomorrow, cd 3.

This will be my 11th cycle TTC, with two chemical pregnancies/ early miscarriages @ about 5weeks so far this year already.

I've read up quite a lot on SI, and just at the point now where I'm thinking, what the hell, I'll give it a go!

Anybody else TTC with soy isoflavones?

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pocopearl · 14/12/2014 20:01

Did anyone feel a little fluey with soy or am i coming down with something? Hoping its the soy! x

Disneylandkilledmychildhood · 14/12/2014 20:12

Congratulations frolic!

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LoopyLa · 15/12/2014 10:44

poco don't know if you've seen this info so am re-posting, it may help understand side effects:-

What is SOY?

Soya Isoflavones are derived from soya beans. They have been dubbed “the natural Clomid,”
As they work in pretty much an identical manner.
Just like Clomid; Soya Isoflavones work by tricking your body into thinking its low on oestrogen. Your body then kick starts production of FSH (Follicle-stimulating hormone) followed by LH (Luteinizing hormone) Which are both necessary to release Healthy Eggs during ovulation.
FSH is released at the start of the menstrual cycle; it stimulates the growth of an immature egg into a fully matured egg. When the egg has matured your body then releases a surge of LH. LH is the hormone that tells the ovary to release the egg.

WHEN?
You take Soy Isoflavones, like Clomid, on either CD 1-5 , 2-6, 3-7 , 4-8 or 5-9.
If you take soy Isoflavones during the later time bracket, for example CD5-9, you shall strengthen the egg that has already started growing producing a healthier egg. The earlier in your cycle you take It, the higher your chance of releasing multiple eggs but these eggs will not be as mature as the eggs grown from taking Soya later.
A lot of women will choose the middle cycle (3 -7) allowing time for a strong and healthy egg to develop without erasing the chance of a second egg being developed and released.

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

DOSE?
The dose is really down to you but you should always use the lowest amount that works for you.
With Clomid the starting dose is 100mg. Soya Isoflavones are said to be half the strength of Clomid, so it makes sense for the starting dose to be 100mg.
The trouble with 100mg of soya is that the capsules tend to come as 40mg. So you have a choice of starting at 80mg.
Some women change the dose on different days. So they may start at 120mg for the first 3 days then give an extra boost for the last 2 days with 160mg.

As I have said though, use the lowest dose possible for yourself. If you ovulate using 120mg/day stick to that for a few cycles. GIVE IT A CHANCE. It is said that it takes 3months to get the full benefits of what you are taking. NEVER EXCEED 200mg/day.

OTHER BENEFITS?
The following potential health benefits are attributed to Isoflavones:
Reduce heart disease risk
Protect against prostate problems
improve bone health
Reduce cancer risk

SIDE EFFECTS?
As with any medication, taking Soya Isoflavones may cause side effects such as:
Nausea
Headaches
Dizziness
Hot flushes
Night sweats
Cramping
Diarrhoea
Lack of fertile cm
Thrush
Obviously the higher the dose you take the higher your chance of experiencing side effects.

DO NOT TAKE SOYA ISOFLAVONES WITHOUT CONSULTING A DOCTOR IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
Breast cancer, hepatic disease, prostate cancer, kidney disease, taking hormone treatments, thyroid disease, and allergies to soy, peanuts or other legumes.
Soy Isoflavones should not be taken while breastfeeding or pregnant.
Soy Isoflavones may interact with the following medications; androstenedione, antibiotics, clomiphene, DHEA, contraceptives and other female hormones, finasteride, raloxifene, red clover, tamoxifen, testosterone and other male hormones, thyroid hormones, and toremifene.
NOTE: Just like Clomid, Soya Isoflavones may not help some women at all!
Although research carried out on FF has shown that 77% of women taking Soya Isoflavones on the stated days at the stated doses, got there BFP on their first cycle taking them!

pocopearl · 15/12/2014 10:57

Thanks LoopyLa
Seems its prob a cold then, which is crappy as nothing sexier than ttc sex with tissue stuffed up nose to catch the snot. My DH is going to be in for a real treat.

LoopyLa · 15/12/2014 11:35

Grin poco yep we've been DTD while all suffering from a stomach bug including my toddler who projectiled vomited all over me - deeeeelightful Hmm Wink

GoodEggMightMaterialiseAnytime · 16/12/2014 00:57

Hi all... I've only just caught up in this thread after a few days off...
Congratulations Frolic!! Amazing news. I know you mentioned you were taking soy to strengthen egg due to your age and you have already shared how much you took and when, but could you also share what your cycles were like and what, if any, changes the soy caused? Eg. cycle length, usual ov day etc??
Also Sue I have a very similar cycle to you although not irregular. 28 day cycle with day 20 ov usually. I found this thread as thought soy might help but someone on here pointed me in the direction of Agnus Castus to lengthen luteal phase (should be on one of the earlier pages) anyway, last month I ov'd on same day but got 10 day lp so am hoping for maybe a bit longer this month as AC is supposed to be a more slow working kind of thing. Hope this helps.
Fx for some special Xmas gifts all round. Xx

Frolicacid · 16/12/2014 08:09

goodegg
cycle I took 100mg soy days 3-8. I had tried a stronger dose days 5-9 last cycle but I had a series of terrible migraines the same time and didn't want to risk that again.
I ovulated about day 16 this cycle. My cycles are usually about 33 days, so this was a few days early. (Last cycle's dose bought it forward to day 14 and gave me a 28 day cycle).
I had loads of chi'n spots around ovulation this time, and some strong pains. I usually get one or two of the spots, but this was really epic.
I don't think anything else was different. DH had a cold so we only dtd on day 15 and a few before.
I took a test at 11dpo because I felt rotten (vomitting, diorreha and a cold) and wanted to take some sudafed and whiskey guilt free. The BFP was a big surprise!

I still can't stop being sick!

Good luck! I will keep checking the thread to see how you and everyone else gets on.

VixxenPlusAllTheOtherReindeers · 16/12/2014 08:58

pop yes I have come down with headaches and sickness since taking it.

Porchrules · 19/12/2014 09:21

Hello ladies,

This thread has made for a very interesting morning read and I'm hoping to hop on board if there room for a newbie?? We are TTC #1 and this is the 5th month (although been in an absolute pickle with irregular cycles after coming off microgynon in June, just before wedding in July.).

I keep getting my pos opk reading crazy early (cd 3/4) and wondering if soy could help with this? Also can someone give me the low down on best ways to chart as I feel I need more info about what my body's doing and not sure of the best way.

Thanks so much and congrats on all the bfps - I got teary reading your stories! Xx

pocopearl · 19/12/2014 19:33

Thankfully feeling better now not taking the soy, hopefully this will be the month so i do not have to repeat this all again the beginning of next month

Disneylandkilledmychildhood · 21/12/2014 20:47

So I did the month of no soy and no "trying" and no stressing. I just got a faint line on a frer at 9dpo.

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Disneylandkilledmychildhood · 21/12/2014 20:49

Here it is. Showed up almost instantly.

For anyone TTC or thinking about TTC with Soy Isoflavones
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iniquity · 21/12/2014 20:58

Congratulations Disney

LoopyLa · 21/12/2014 21:05

Excellent Disney!!! Congratulations, that's brilliant news! Xmas Smile

Frolicacid · 21/12/2014 21:17

Congratulations disney Flowers
Have a very merry sober christmas!

Disneylandkilledmychildhood · 21/12/2014 21:40

I'd just bought the drinks in too ready for Xmas eve and Xmas day! I'm in shock, so scared as had two early miscarriages this year already. Just trying not to think about it too much.

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LoopyLa · 22/12/2014 06:38

I really, fervently hope this one sticks for you Disney Xmas Smile

Disneylandkilledmychildhood · 22/12/2014 12:48

Thank you. I'm not feeling hopeful atm as I have stomach cramps and feel awful. My period isn't actually due for another 3-4 days.

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tootsroots · 22/12/2014 18:00

Great news Disney!!

fififolle · 23/12/2014 13:33

Fab news Disney! Merry Christmas! Xmas Smile

NewEraNewMindset · 23/12/2014 13:36

OMG Frolic Congratulations!!! Somehow I too have managed to get knocked up (not using soy though) so I will probably see you on the Pregnancy boards at some point (she says hopefully even though im terrified it won't stick again) Grin

KittyVonCatsington · 23/12/2014 13:41

Congratulations Disney and NewEra -wonderful news Flowers Xmas Grin I wish you both a happy and healthy 9 months xxxx

Disneylandkilledmychildhood · 24/12/2014 07:33

thanks everyone! I just took another test to confirm and its a lot darker which I'm hoping is a good sign. Af still isn't due for a day or two but it's the clearest BFP that I've ever had. Hoping this is it.

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LoopyLa · 24/12/2014 08:03

That's definitely a good sign Disney, hope you can relax a little over Xmas Xmas Smile

And well done NewEra, best news! Xmas Smile

sebsmummy1 · 24/12/2014 08:52

Thanks Loopy. Woke up this morning convinced I was bleeding but it was just white discharge thankfully. I keep feeling really wet down there and it's freaking me out. AF due tomorrow so I'm just praying I can get past the next few days basically and then I might exhale for a second or two.