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A group of lovely ladies who've seen it all

Lots of great chat on here over the weekend. I'm not very good at iPad posting so will catch up properly when home. But hooray for Fox being 14DPO with no spotting, that's a victory in itself. Lots of great words to Cos about progesterone and eggs. Bunny agree it was good to be able to support you for once, you were always so good at supporting everyone else. Hope the bug has passed. Joy I think having the next scan coming up is a good focus. Critter hooray for no more spotting and good luck for the bloods. Actually I read on my serum sheet that some blood is to be expected as so many new blood vessels are forming, but I'm not sure at what point that happens.

So discovered two things last night. One, I've been doing the clexane all wrong. I was getting rid of the bubble, which apparently is there for a reason; and I've been injecting right into the muscle, not pinching my skin to get fat. No wonder it's been so sore. Oh and I've been doing it too centrally as well. I think it's all going in but there have been some bruises. The other thing is that the pregnyl injections I've to take twice more (until Thursday) will give me a false positive on a HPT which really means I need to wait until a blood test. This is not a good thing. I now need to decide if I test it out daily or just wait. .

Anyway off to try to enjoy a relaxing day. Hope everyone has a good Monday.

Quick post from me to say af is here and stupidly I wasn't wearing a pad this morning so thank goodness for dark trousers. The timing is shit because this means for the last two months I've ovulated on day 20 so that would be slap bang in the middle of when I'm away at the end of this month. Worrying now about what late ovulation means, and also that we will never be able to fit a cycle in. It's like one of those dreams where you can't get anywhere.

Nelly, a false positive would be particularly cruel so I think I'd wait for the blood test. Are you flying home today?

Sam, I found temping really accurate so long as I took the temp at the same time every morning and before I got out of bed. I stopped after a while though because I found I was getting stressed about it and it became a bit of an obsession waiting for the spike.

Cos, I didn't understand the doctor's comment about progesterone, it's always used in ivf cycles isn't it? I have only ever had the pessaries though not injections. I actually find the pessaries the most unpleasant part of ivf. I've discovered high progesterone gives me palpitations, apparently a common side effect. And the pessaries leave me with a ph balance issue. I really do believe that the septum was a big part of the problem, it surely can't have been a coincidence? As joy says, you've been pregnant so the first steps can happen. I'll be holding you tight all the way through future rounds.

Fox, nice to have you here again :) I miss pout too :(

Bunny. Don't feel bad about posting here, we know each other well enough now that you shouldn't feel like you need to hide anything from us. I'm so pleased the scan went well. Do you know if mini p is getting a brother or sister?

Joy, I hope you managed a relaxing weekend. That's not too long to wait until he next scan, one day at a time. It's really encouraging that both embies were the right size. Will you have the harmony test?

What is the growth hormone for? I think I've missed this. Is it the secret key?

Quick freak out. Had a bit of browny pink cm this morning. Surely it's too soon for it all to go wrong . I've emailed a penny to see if it's a side effect of the transfer. Aaahhhhh.

Ooh what a busy weekend it has been on the thread!

Joy I hope the good scan meant you could relax for at least some of the weekend.

Critter I hope your test results today look good. I have everything crossed for you.

Sam, sorry AF has arrived. At least now you know what is happening and you can move on to the next cycle.

Bunny glad your scan went well.

Cos doctors definitely hate being contradicted and I think they expect us to just sit back and accept what they say. Whilst I understand that obviously they are the experts, I think they underestimate how much we know about our own bodies and what other clinics are or arent's doing because of forums aren't like these. I hope that these few pieces of the puzzle will make all the difference for you.

*Nelly, hurrah for being PUPO and for frosties! That is great news.

Fox, great news that you've got to 14dpo without spotting and that you have an idea of when you might be able to do your next cycle.

Ray, sorry about the shit timing. Are you away for plans that can't be cancelled at the end of the month? Trying to sort out appointments around work and other plans is one of the most stressful parts of all this crap and it is always the months when you need your body to play ball that it goes haywire!

toes and fluffy how are you getting on?

I've realised my message about my appointment on Friday was a bit cryptic! I was mainly in a mood about having to go back for a second opinion on Wednesday as I have a manic week at work and could really do without it. Now I have calmed down, I realise that it is worthwhile getting a second opinion. Basically, the doctor I saw on Friday said that he no longer thinks I have a septate uterus, he thinks it's arcuate (which from what I have read over the weekend, means there's not actually much wrong with it at all!). If that is the case then that's great but I'm a bit cross that I may have been stressing myself out over something unecessarily and it just seems to me to be yet another case of doctors chaging their minds and giving contradictory advice. It also doesn't add up with things that I was told when I was pregnant, such as the baby was in the right hand side of my womb which was better as it was bigger. If my womb is just arcuate, it basically means that there's a small indentation at the top i.e. you would not really refer to a left hand and right hand 'side'. The head fuckery continues but I'll hopefully know more on Wednesday!

nellynothing is going wrong, most likely from the transfer where they put the catheter up or maybe early implantation :)

ray sorry about AF being late and stuffing up your cycle, is there still a possibility that you will ovulate on day 14 or will you then be away for ET??

berry a second opinion is good although annoying when you are super busy, hope they give you a clearer idea of what is going on though

cos with the progesterone thing I do think some places are having a rethink for some reason, I know with BB my progesterone was a bit low and I asked the clinic in Brno for some Gestone jabs, they were a bit reluctant to give them to me but did in the end and Mr S just suggested using another cyclogest and again would not dream of giving me the jabs as he said it wasn't absorbed any quicker or better into the blood body, but it does seem odd as pretty much every clinic seems to do it as part of the protocol, if it doesn't cause any harm then I fail to see why he wouldn't agree to let you try it with your round, I know you said you had some cyclogest but I too have some boxes if you have problems getting hold of anymore :)

critter good luck with the numbers doubling :)

Cos, I've just re-read your post and I see you mean using injectable progesterone in addition to pessaries?? My clinic doesn't do injectables. They say pessaries are enough.

Nelly, it's too early for anything to be going wrong so banish those thoughts from your Kopf. It's probably from the poking about at transfer, or could be implantation :)

Buzzy, day 14 would be ok because they'd transfer two days later which would just be ok. But, I think it's rare for me to ovulate tht early, it's more like day 16 which would be no good. I don't know whether to go for the tracking scan or whether it would just be a waste of everyone's time.

Good luck for critter, we want that hcg to go up nicely :)

Nelly agree with buzz that it's most likely to be from the transfer. I spotted after nearly all the fiddling down there (8 IUIs and 2ETs...) Had no bearing on whether it worked and it's definitely not the mininellies falling out. Rasberry pips on peanut butter sandwich!

Sorry about the womble confusion berry. Time consuming as it may be a second opinion sounds like the way forward.

On progesterone, I should add that I had Lembie in a natural round and I wasn't given extra progesterone (I did plead to use some after all the spotting, and they said I could, but that it wouldn't make a difference). But I reckon cos it's a different story for you. As it seems to be for foxy. Yay for 14dpo without spotting, fox. I think of you whenever I potter about town and bump into friendly, intelligent looking tourists that like quality beer

Timing and near trouser-ruination, what a bitch, that AF, ray. Really sorry that it is just not working out for you in simple logistical ways! I second everyone who's been angry about the egg comments to you and cos. One serious issue is enough. In fact none can be enough to keep you from conceiving for a long time. So there is no need to blame the eggs. I am sure it's a numbers game, which makes the delay extra annoying.

Nelly im sure it's just cervix fiddling. Are you home now?

Berry I don't know if you ever saw my womb saga but I had a significant misdiagnosis. It's frustrating that the story changes and getting definitive answers that we need for our sanity is so hard.

Ray agh to cycle frustrations but phew for dark trousers. I'm sorry that timings are being so difficult for you.

I did a test this morning and there was a faint fuzzy pink line around where the positive line should be. H thinks it's nothing and I'm inclined to agree as it's smudgy and not defined so it could be a bit of pessary wax from my wee (sorry) making the test go odd. I threw another pessary in anyway but now have little cramps so I think there will be imminent damn breaking. Bit annoying as it's not an arctic stick so hasn't helped in terms of stopping the druggage. Meh.

Just to be clear, I don't think I'm pregnant! I am irritable though

Wow, what a lot is going on for the 10+ers at the moment. I've had the MIL here for the weekend overstimulating the baby so I have a lot to catch up on!

nelly I am so thrilled that you are PUPO. The Serum approach really does seem very refreshing.

critter I hope witchy relative is right. 2014 has been a terrible year for you. It is nearly over and I am hoping for a wonderful 2015 for you, mr C and Doug. :)

joy I am glad the FMC were good. I went there for the Harmony package (2 visits), 20 week scan, and the 28 week follow up and they were good when there was both good and bad news to impart.

I agree with many of you that I think egg quality is blamed for too much. Average sperm counts have dropped 50% or whatever it is in 50 years. Surely they should take a closer look at what is going on there. Perhaps quality is being affected as much as quality. The combination point is also an interesting one. I have a friend who had one mc in about 18 months of trying with her ex and now has 3 children who took between 1 and 3 cycles to conceive with a new partner.

I'm thinking of all those of you in the tent or still going through the interminable testing process.

Foxy it was a line though, you will need to retest to see if it happens again, how fuzzy is fuzzy, I don't think the lines are clear on them :)

God I can't help, too much going on, such complicated stuff; so knackered from work, but, my friends, my love to you. Special loves to nelly amazing stuff. I would have never had never thought of trying IVF without meeting you all here. Stay strong.

Never, ever, what? hey foxy lines? :)

I am not excited, honest

Nelly - that is totally normal to get that after transfer. It certainly hasn't gone wrong. Safe trip back.

Fox - you need to retest! Can you do it now?? Pessaries Aren't going to cause a fuzzy line surely

Ray - this is so Annoying . Can you be tracked anyway just in case you ovulate earlier and you can be fit in before you go away?? Late ovulation can be very normal. I always think the luteal phase is key. As long as that is good enough then surely it doesn't matter if you ovulate late.
Euro - did the NHS or the FMC pick up the placenta problem?

Wave to doll! Joy I thought maybe some of the wax had seeped up through osmosis leaving a mark? I think it would be a clear line now. Out of interest have people here had to stop the pessaries to bring on a bleed?

Hmm Foxy . Interesting. A fuzzy mark you say? I shall watch this space.

Doll always brilliant to see you here but work does sound so great. Love to the smaller dolls.

Euro sorry about over enthusiastic MiL. They can be exhausting even without grandchildren to flip them over the edge.

Lots more I'm forgetting. Not home yet but at airport. Have a headache that I assume is the pregnyl. Or maybe it's caffeine withdrawal! No spotting last time I wiped so I am going to believe you all and hope the PBJ sandwich is still intact. My concern really was that my lining was going to break up. Surely all the oestrogen and progesterone should be countering that though? And I am sure you are just being nice suggesting early implantation but there is no way it could happen on day 6 is there? I mean that as a genuine medical question, not a "fuel the menkul" question!!

Oh Ray I'm so sorry for AF arrival and bad timing. It sucks. :(

nelly I had the browny pink cm post transfer on my last round and the round before (ie on one positive and one negative round). Sorry to be unhelpful. Implantation usually happens 'in the wild' around day 6 or 7 I think so it wouldn't be too early for that, or it could just be the fiddling.

fox Progesterone in the pessaries wouldn't cause a line. They don't have any hcg in them! That's what the test is testing for. On the other hand, the line should be nice and clear at 14 dpo. It might be a chemical - or a duff test. joy is right, you need to do another test!

Thank you Critter and Joy it makes me feel a lot better. Oh this is going to be a long 12 days.

Critter, have you been for your blood test, it was today wasn't it? Hoping for a lovely high number.

Fox have you got lots of tests? We're actually like an unhelpful bunch of clucky chickens, pecking at you until you cave and test again!

Nelly - I concur with critter. Implantation happens within 24-48 hours of a 5 day embryo transfer. That is what MrT says at the ARGC. Your lining won't break up but funnily enough I was wondering whether mine would hold out at lunch time today! I have to give myself a stern talking to, as I will you. We have to trust our bodies. We digest food, we fight off illnesses, we excrete- our bodies do what they need to do without us thinking about it. If your beans implant, your body will do what it needs to do. So hard to put faith in something that has so far proved elusive but nature will take control. Your oestrogen and progesterone supplements will keep everything going so don't worry. Have a good flight back.

Fox - my period would always arrive when I was doing the pessaries as part of natural cycles. It extended my luteal phase though which is why I was on them but it would come. I am sure it can extend a cycle quite a lot for people. But those sticks are looking for hcg so won't be the cause

Critter - thinking of you today for test2.

What a busy thread!

Little time to post, it sounds like mini bunny has gone off to the kitchen to make me a present (sadly not tea or cake...)

fox progesterone would have no bearing on the test. Get thee pee on another! I'm so watching closely...

nelly I'm sure it's the foof fiddling that caused the tinted cm. Loads of rooting for the minellies from the south coast.

critter thinking of you and your numbers today. It's your time. 2015 will be a blinder.

Right, it's oddly quiet now. Huge hugs to everyone and lovely to see doll et al here

Oh, and no we didn't find out whether we're having a boy or girl. And thank you all for your kind words again. It means a lot x