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A group of lovely ladies who've seen it all

Can I ask what PUPO is? Still trying to get to trips with all the terms :). X

nelly Oh yay to PUPO and to frosties :) wobbles are normal, I think my first big was on the Wednesday after when I had a complete meltdown. So when shall you be testing??

sam PUPO is pregnant until proven otherwise :)

Hooray for PUPO Nellington with minelly's! x

Hi all, new to all this, ttc for 16 months now and finding it hard to stay positive. My husband and I have always imagined ourselves with children so getting our heads round the fact that it isn't really happening is hard. Any advice welcome!

Hi Gayle can you tell us a bit more about yourself, have you had any tests done or been to your GP, not that they are much use sometimes :)

Thanks all. Ray we're freaked out by the twin possibility and are really quietly hoping for just one. Gulp. But two will be a wonderful miracle manageable!

Test day is 12 days from now but that's 17 days post EC. That's for a blood test but will see how I'm going before then. I've no strategy yet. I'm off work next week but back the week after so going to be hard to get bad news then.

Ray yes very happy but it's different too. She answers any questions and emails late at night, they work 7 days a week, I never feel I'm doing things to their schedule. But sometimes the seeming chaos can be worrying. Eg re my blood tests, I was told by a Very relaxed P I could have them here, no worries. Then reception told me not on a Sunday when I emailed. I didn't manage to get them done at home but as it turned out I had it done today anyway with no stress. She really seems to treat everyone as an individual and I have to say I think it would be a great option for you guys as they'd really have a thorough investigation without the day 2 restriction on embies. They also do rounds with "back-up" donors too.

Oh Buzz I thought of you when I very much did not cry at transfer . I'm such an unemotional plank sometimes! But. We got pics of the embies inside me (or at least two white blobs) and I'm struggling to look at them as I'm scared to dream.

Right back to lazing about reading gory crime thrillers zen-like meditation guides. I want a bath but that's contraband isn't it. What else should I not do other than the obvious not order wine with dinner.

Oh nelly such good news. Get yourself some comfort food and just relax. You are PUPO and have frosties xx

Big Hurrah for two mini nellies on board and two for the freezer. To be honest I was v scared of twins even though we did set, as my hcg levels were sky high with lembie. But even if that were the case, you'd manage (as I am sure joy will ;-) )

nelly they clearly didn't play Barry White on the radio for you I had transfer on the Saturday and tested on the Friday, 12 days is a long time to wait, I think with twins you do just get on and manage :)

ray I think you would find an overseas clinic quite good, it is a bit difficult with them being in another country but Serum has a great reputation that they actually deserve

Sadly no Barry White . But they did play an Adele song (someone like you) which was appropriate from a donor perspective I thought....but also it's been in my head for days for some reason. So I took it as a sign. Yes I will probably never be able to hold out for 12 days from now.

Mad I think a PUPO meet would be good if we can manage? Small babies are meant to make you more likely to get pregnant I think. But please can minimad wear that green outfit you put a pic up of him wearing . I really want to meet him!

Lemon yes we'd definitely cope and of course Joy will too. In all honesty I don't care. I just want it to work.

Yay nelly and the minellies! So pleased you are PUPO, hurrah! Go and take it easy now, put your feet up and relax, no jumping off meter-high walls And yippee for two frosties!

cos It's good that you did contradict the doctor about the progesterone. He probably wasn't expecting you to know as much as you do know about fertility stuff. It's too much of a coincidence for it not to have made a difference with you. You're back on the conveyor belt now which is good. I would just throw everything you can at it this round. Everything to give this the best shot - you've got a shiny new womble, and this really could make all the difference.

sam so sorry about AF arriving. Did you get a basal body temperature thermometer? You could chart this round, it might make all the difference with knowing what's going on.

gayle welcome and sorry you find yourself here.

buzz I actually laughed out loud at your cutlery polishing and condiment arranging for nelly.

bunny hope you're feeling better. Will you find out the sex with this one, or will it be a surprise like with mini-bunny?

ray has AF arrived yet? Donor sperm is a big decision and your husband does have sperm and it's fertilising your eggs - I do just think it is a numbers game for you, and I think this diagnostic round is going to be really helpful, I just wish it wasn't yet another hoop to jump through. An 'abroad' round might not be a bad idea though - just a different protocol. I just think about joy and the difference between her rounds and what a difference that made.

sea it is SO nice to 'see' you. How is little sealet doing (I imagine a cute little seal pup when I write that).

joy are you still doing the 11 + 3 scan or did you move it back?

Having a very, very lazy day with Doug parked on the sofa and loving all the chat on here.

Spotting seems to have stopped, I am so relieved. My dad went out for dinner with witchy relative the other night and she asked how I was doing. My dad said something noncommittal and she said 'I have a strong feeling that everything is going to be ok for her now'. He said 'how long have you felt that?' And she replied 'A bit over a week' I know it's all probably guesswork etc but I am so glad that at least she doesn't feel like something bad is going to happen again.

Thanks Critter - weirdly I actually feel better now, even though I'm not pg.... The not knowing was killing me!

Yes am thinking about getting one, is there a particular brand that is good?
And this might sound stupid, but what exactly am I looking for? When should temp spike etc? Xx

Oh nelly, I'm so thrilled for you. Twins, triplets- you'll cope! I don't think its worth worrying about that though now. For now, rest up. And also I say this to everyone,( I'm like a broken record) but laugh and I mean really laugh. I have no idea if this works but it makes you feel better but I made sure I had at least one good belly laugh a day during the 2ww. YouTube is great for things like that. But two frosties is great. There are your backups/siblings and hopefully takes some pressure off.

Oh cos- you are so generous when you have been through utter shit. You have tried lots of different things but all of this was when you had your septum. As Ray said I cannot believe this was a red herring. You produce embies and frosties and you have been pregnant 3 times, I am just so convinced they didn't work out because of this septum. Haven't you had the immunes done before? Have you had your cytokines tested as part of the immunes? Chicago cost us £900 with the Argc and then every 3 weeks another £350 to check nk cells. You had your Womble checked for immune cells and that was fine wasn't it. i am having intralippids (private)and steroids (NHS)this time round although the crgh:NHS don't believe immunes cause problems and they haven't tested me. But they treat women anyway. They don't do ivig which I had to have at the Argc.
As for progesterone, I have never heard an ivf clinic not prescribe it. We've all been put on it haven't we? What is he talking about ? My NHS clinic insist on it and I think with your history you should insist on it too. Have you got a supply? I'm not sure about gestone, I am on it, but Cyckogest is fairly cheap and painless, if it's only for peace of mind it is worth doing. But consideringn you got naturally pregnant using it, I would def use it.
It is so hard to build yourself up for another round and the fears that come with it but cos, your ivf embie results and getting to blasto and freezer has been much better than quite a lot of other people who have been successful on here. That's why I believe your issue has been implantation mostly caused by septum issues. Sorry for the ramble. I just feel so passionate that this is going to happen for you. As I believe it will for ray as well. But goodness i know how gloomy it can all feel for one's own prospects. So standing with you every step of the way. Xx

Hello 10 plussers. This thread is shining all golden at the moment and I'm so happy about that. Tonight Hare refused to watch cuntryfile ?? I will have to book us in to relate ha ha. He did record it though, bless hm. So we are watching recorded masterchef. I think I might find Marcus Wareing hot? And for those of you haven't met me I apparently have the same accent as we are from the same place.

Nelly, my tummy flips to think of you pupo with boy triplets ha ha and also as my de chum I wish I was cycling with you. It seems like so many many bases have been covered. I have an honestly very very positive feeling about this. The doubtlets are normal but blastocytes + every drug known to man + penny + nelly = hugely excited fox. Roasted hat anyone?

Cos, I'm a bit flabbergasted about the progesterone comments. He sounds a little bit up himself? The quality of egg is such an interesting and irritating thing. For me and H,as a couple the finger of blame points firmly at me at my eggs (and pokes me every day). And I live with that, the shit egg lady thing. But no one knows that for sure. I had nine follicles all sat quietly in July. It could be eggs, it could be our combined embryos, it could be structural (sluggish tubes) or immune related or out of synch lining, it makes my head want to explode but I hate the egg blame. Of course. However, the ultimate test is if we get pregnant and you have been pregnant. I truly believe that the septum was a barrier and that you have everything to play for again. Every round is a new situation. We self protect cos we've had crap luck but luck can change in an instant in this game?

Joy. I speak cautiously to reflect your tentative feelings but I have always thought your creative doctor would see you right. It always felt like how treatment should be? I hope you can enjoy some of the many minutes you are going through. Little joylets

Pout - calling pout over and out? Was thinking of you today, hope you're reading.

Sam. I could have written your posts at the year mark of trying. It feels so long and every month feels precious and the awful wretched waiting, all that waiting. I tolerate waiting much much better now but there were things that helped me at that point that I found through this thread. You may think all of these things a bit woo but finding some meditation podcasts can be very calming indeed. I like Stin Hansen and cos sent me a lovely lady on cd that I can't remember her name now. Yoga can be very helpful as can acupuncture and reflexology. Treatment aside, it can be so helpful to spend an hour with a person who has infertility wisdom and helpful tips. I'm sorry af came but new cycle hopefulness comes with that too thankfully. It could have been a month where ovulation didn't happen or a cyst grew or even the sheer stress could have thrown things off. Temping is the best best way to know for sure where you are. Hope you are feeling a bit better.

Ray AGH to announcements. No one else in the world is allowed to get pregnant now before ten plussers!! I feel angry about your announcements! I'm expecting several at the moment. Weep. How are you today?

Welcome to Gayle.

I'm not being good at newbie stories I need to go and read back to be helpful. But loves to fluffy, toes and berry.

Cos i just keep plopping in pessaries as I thought my period would come or spotting at least as I had spotting last time I was on them. But not a peep and I'm now 14dpo. I hadn't realised it was 14dpo til you asked! I thought it was about 12. So I'm clearly holding back my period like a damn with a big white waxy wall! I don't think it's done anything but I also don't feel like seeing an arctic stick. I've settled nicely onto the progesterone and it has saved me from pmt/spotting after a few ropey days after starting it. I'm currently weighing up if I'd rather the sex limiting leaky pessaries or a period. Meh. I guess I should test and let my period come. I called the clinic but need to call again tomorrow to set dates as the donor nurse was on leave. I'm coughing up money for Immunes as I want to know what I need. I don't want to take clexane or anything else that tests suggest I don't need. Or if I do need things I want to know as my clinic won't do ivig or steroids readily without confirmation that's it's needed. I reckon next cycke will hopefully be the back end of jan.

critter I'm glad the spotting has stopped, tomorrow you can have your other blood test, oooh can your witchy rellie predict for me too :)

sam your temp will dip just before ovulation and then rise after you have, then dip again when AF is due or stay up if you are pregnant, I think thats how it goes

nelly when we were in Brno the hotel we were at played the same music channel in the morning at breakfast and one particular song Pink and Nate Ruess duet 'Just give me a reason' played every morning we were there, it also played on the way home from the hospital with BB and still makes me cry when I hear it as it reminds me of our journey and how lucky we are to have her

Sam - so pleased AF has come and put you out of our misery.

Critter - glad the spotting has stopped. i hope you are able to distract yourself or do you find yourself anxiously staring into space (like me)? And I think your witchy friend is on the money
I haven't changed my scan. It will be 11+4 and it's a week tomorrow. This may be slightly too soon I'm not sure. I will find out this week.

Critter, how did I miss you!!? I am so,glad your blood result was good and that the spotting has stopped. I really feel this is going to be all ok for you x

Ah lovely fox. You have never had a reason either and blaming eggs is just soul destroying when actually they don't know. . I mean the fact they are blaming ray's eggs just shows that this is the doctOrs General excuse. It couldn't possibly be their drug protocol or their lack of creativity...anyway I'm intrigued by your candles stopping you spotting. i think that is quite significant. And I will hope and hope.

Bunny - glad all was well at your 20 wk scan. Fab news!

Gin lovely, so nice to have you pop back and keep the flag from the other side waving.

Oh Fox, thank you for understanding. Your post made me weepy again, but because you made me feel that I'm not alone. Obviously I knew that already, but it's just nice to hear it
I've never really tried meditation but do enjoy yoga, so maybe I'll start that again.
I'm thinking of talking to a colleague who I know had to have fertility help, I know he will be discreet and will have information on the same specialist we are being referred to.
Will start temping this month!

Buzzy - thank you, will start this month

Joy I know! At least I can post about something else now
Seriously though, thank you (and everyone else) for the hand holding, much appreciated. X

joy £350 to test 3 weks later no wonder Mr T is fecking millionaire, I do know a good midwife who does Intralipids at her home if you already have the stuff, Mr S was going to charge me £350 a time but it cost me £120 a time with the midwife

foxy Its best to have the tests so you can rule things out, I believe the jury is still out over IVIG and intralipids, the latter being the cheaper option by far. Jan isn't too far away :)

sam it needs to be a BBT one as its got the decimal bit :)

Just popping in quick to say hooray for Nellington and the Minellies. Enjoy this feeling, let "what will be, will be" wash over you. Stay positive, my goodness you deserve this.

I have real rage about the egg comments to Cos and Ray. Remember that the medics we meet (often wonderful and brill) are sometimes grasping at straws rather than what the individual is presenting as. One of mine told me I was in potential early ovarian failure and then the next week told me I make good embryos. He also told me my tubes were knackered one week and perfectly fine the next. AAAGGGHH. So cross for you both. We are actually quite expert now on this thread (and not in a hoping for the best / false hope way). We know lots about egg quality both from our research and from direct personal experience. The septum has been a major issue and the swimmers I believe are the missing link for Den. Stay strong, ask to see what they are basing their evidence on. Please don't despair, I assure you both there is still so much hope. Hugs hugs hugs.

Hello to the new ladies

Bunny - great to hear from you and I don't think you were insensitive at all. You had more than your fair share of pain waiting for your babies and your thoughts and feelings are always wanted - we luffs bunny (and baby bunnies).

Rabbit - just goes to show the power of self medication and knowing our own bodies. I say get your hands on more progesterone for future rounds. You always thought this was a thing for you didn't you. x

Rabbit - Fox

Thanks Buzzy - will have a look on the internet :)

sam you can get the BBT off Amazon, and download the Fertility Friend app on your phone for free. You enter in your temperature every morning before getting out of bed, and it will tell you when you've ovulated (there's a temp spike after you ovulate, when you start producing progesterone). You can also enter in other details like your cervical fluid - when it gets slippery like egg white, it usually means you're about to ovulate and v fertile.

Joy I agree actually, now you mention it - we have all done progesterone - at least the pessaries. How weird the doc told cos it didn't mean anything.