TTC way longer than 10 months past & present

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A group of lovely ladies who've seen it all

toes life does sounds crazy ,order in take away :) oooh is your OU course related to work or an interest you have

berry I like your attitude its not that these medical professionals are not knowledgeable but this is my body and has been for 29 years and holding 41 years and after spending several years constantly monitoring my body I think I have a pretty good idea about what is going on, its when they talk down to you that I get peeved.

nelly yay to 9 eggs, can I ask will you have 1 or 2 put back ???

sam sorry about the 10 days wait, although I have heard of some ladies not getting a BFP for a while after, its the not knowing that is hard though and 10 days is an eternity when TTC, hell its a third of a cycle

critter I admire you for waiting till Friday, I peed on sticks 2-3 a day sometimes in the first week, I could open a museum, couldn't believe it when I was clearing out my bathroom draws and found 3 I hadn't used I also found several out of date OPK's and 2 bits for the CB smiley ovulation, not sure why I still keep them as we won't be DIYing it, BB sometimes likes to empty the draw and play with them oh and 3 BBT thermometers me crazy and neurotic TTC

Very quick post to whisper congratulations to critter. I'm so chuffed for you.

Sam, I think that people get bfp late when they have ovulated late. It's very frustrating but waiting is all you can really do. There is so much waiting with this ttc malarkey.

Nelly, 9 sounds fab. I'm so amazed that women volunteer to put themselves through ec to be a donor. I wonder if they realise what a wonderful thing they are doing. Et will be here before you know it. I'm loving your positive attitude. Will you hobble when pregnant ??

Waves to everyone else. I have a stinking cold so going to dose myself up and get to bed. I'll try and post tomorrow.

Nelly great news, keep us posted.

Had appt at new clinic. He was very straight forward. Fsh was 12, Amh still 8 and an Afc of 10, so overall he was pretty certain the issue is my eggs and my ovarian reserve is low. Not unexpected news but feel very flat all the same.

Waves all round from a feeling sorry for herself cos.

cos Your FSH goes up and down each month, mine used to vary a bit, and your AMH is good, mine was 1.1, I think he might be exaggerating things a bit big hugs

ray hope you feel better soon

Oh Cos. I don't think that's too bad at all. FSH can change anyway and you've made good embies. I take Umbridge with the word "certain" as the one thing I know is it's all bloody guess work. Remember Euro was told she would need donor eggs when she was actually already pregnant with Centime. Take some time, lick your wounds, and come back and show 'em they are wrong. Big paw squeezes. It's a horrible feeling.

Buzzy probably 2 if we have them by then! Have to say, now the eggs are out, the positivity is dwindling. Even though I personally am not involved yet, I know the donor has done her wonderful best and I'm already back to feeling the worry of it going wrong now.

Ray I've asked for my very enormous grateful thanks to be passed on to the donor and I've been told that she wishes us the very best. I hope that is true rather than just PR but it is really an amazing thing. I'm not sure on the hobbling. I have thought only as far as ET day. Nothing beyond. I hope you feel better soon.

Sam sorry about the wait. There is a lot of that in TTC. Hopefully it's a good wait for you though.

Critter I'm amazed you can hold out. And chuckling at Buzzy's reply to you!

Toes the weather is just as bad here, I'm not far from the City.

Waves to everyone else, I want to do a full reply but head a bit mush right now. Must remember the Joy of fanny candles starting tomorrow. I will heed Fox's warning re ruining the pants . I meant to say that I'm sorry the 4 year mark has hit hard. It is truly too long. We've all waited too long.

I probably shouldn't have capitalised Joy in relation to fanny candles. I meant it with a small "j" . Sorry Joy!

Oh cos. Nelly speaks wise words. I vividly remember euro being advised to use donor eggs. You've been trying since you were 29, it can't be just a problem with eggs surely? And didn't you make good strong embies? You have a frostie even! I don't get it.

Cos, that amh and afc sound ok to me, I don't understand why he'd conclude from that that it must be your eggs? As critter points out, you've been trying since 29. I can't believe the septum was a red herring. Will you be starting ivf skin?

Soon not skin!

I don't know if you've seen this before but I found it quite helpful www.ivf.org.uk/media/54656/How-is-ovarian-reserve-assessed.pdf

nelly I think we got 10 eggs, 7 mature and fertilised, Barry has shit sperm so had ICSI, I had 2 put back and have a frostie, I don't know about Serum but Reprofit are particular about what they freeze, if it was a UK clinic I would most likely have had 2-3 frosties, it only takes one, and it doesn't have to be a Grade 1 HB either. IOTO :) Get thy some panty liners and save your nicki nacki noos I personally can't wait to hear how the mini nellywellys are getting on

cos your AMH is good and again that can change, Zita West are supposedly not using that as it is quite inaccurate,

Have you made a decision about going back for the frostie, Buzzy?
Nelly, fingers crossed for good news about fertilization today :)

toes, it sounds like life is very busy in the toes household at the moment! You must be superwoman to be doing all that and be starting IVF.

Joy, it was first identified that there was something wrong with my womb when I was pregnant. The doctor then thought that it was bicornuate. After I miscarried, I had some further investigations including another scan by current doc. He thought from the scan that it was septate. When he did the hysteroscopy, he said he couldn't tell as I was had my period but would still go with septate as outside of my womb was normal. Now he's for some reason retrospectively decided there's nothing there even though various scans have identified there clearly is something abnormal there. I'll know more when I speak to him on Friday. I hadn't heard of a 3D scan but may look in to that! I hope the week is passing as quickly as possible for you.

Nelly, 9 eggs is brilliant! It is an amazing thing to donate eggs. It gives me a nice warm feeling to know that there are people out there who want to do that.

Sam how frustrating! I think someone up thread mentioned charting your temperature. I've found that quite useful when my body is messing around. I don't do it all the time though as I've found I can get a bit obsessed with analysing it.

Cos, I'm sorry you're feeling flat. Did the doctor offer any advice as to next steps?

Ray, sorry you're poorly. Hope you feel better soon!

Best get on and do some work now!

Nelly - 9 is great! looking forward to hearing updates now. I know it's horrible and fear of things not working but this has a huge amount of chance of working.

Cos - i am with Nelly and take much annoyance from these doctors concluding your issue is with eggs before you have even done a round of ivf with them and are basing them on 3 figures that alter every month. I have come to the conclusion they will blame the woman's eggs when they have nothing else to say. They will blame egg quality even when everything is in the normal paramaters. And in turn they feed negativity and worry in to the woman which just isn't helpful. It really irritates me. As Ray says, you have been trying since you were 29, egg quality has not been your problem. 10 is a good afc. I have always been told that is fine. amh is a load of bollocks. and your fsh could be 6 next month so that doesn't matter. IEverywhere you look across the internet, people with much worse figures than yours end up with babies. So i totally disagree with that doc and it annoys me that he has made you feel flat. This process is tough enough, they don't need to give false hope but they need to give a plan of action and not start mentioning egg quality when clearly with those figures there is every chance it will work. sorry rant over.

Berry - that is so confusing and reminds me of Fox's problems when massive great fibroids were discovered and then disappeared and people kept changing their mind. In this day and age, you would think it would be possible to identify the problem pretty swiftly. I hope you get more info on Friday.

ray How are you feeling ?? To answer your question I have to back for it, I couldn't live with the what if and I feel its already a baby in the waiting, I would feel like I was ending its life before it even had a chance if I left it there, the thought of going back scares the life out of me, I'm 41 now 42 in March so can't really muck about, I would like more time to process things but time is something I just don't have, so next year we will go back and see what happens, I'll need to have my immune levels checked etc, if it doesn't work then we will consider adoption and look into it, but I am very very fortunate to have BB and nothing can take away how lucky and grateful I feel to finally be a mum

Buzzy how exciting for BB to have a twibling .

Joy how are you? Not long till the scan now. Dare I ask for a date count?

Ray are you feeling better today?

Sam any news?

Today's crisis is that due to my travel dates and the possible Sunday ET I won't get my repeat bloods done in time. This means I'm trying to get them done here with a same day turnaround

I've to email this afternoon to get fertilisation news. Starting to get a bit nervous but there is literally nothing I can do about it! We always had decent fertilisation rates with OE so hopefully the swimmers are good enough.

Bloody phone ate my long post.

Just to say quiet yay for Critter, great news Nellly - v.exciting times ahead, ignore the comments about your eggs Cos (professional pessimism to cover his ass methinks), Ray and Fox handholds and hair strokes - I'm still hugely positive that you will both have tiny bundles in the future - it's just your on a ridiculous long haul with too many stopovers, waves to the Newbies, lovely to see buzz, sar, mad and gin, lemons and Euro you're both bloody amazing and make me feel so ashamed of how little I feel I've achieved and finally sloppy kisses for pout if you're reading. What a bunch of amazing, kind, wonderful, smart, talented and inspirational ladies you all are

I've got a sickness bug and can't keep anything down. Mini bunny has taken to blood curdling screaming at random times through the night and isn't sleeping well. sigh petit bunny is wriggling, which is lovely but alarming as I'm now half way through (20 week scan on Friday) and I'm terrified of juggling my wonderfully demanding little madam and a new born. In fact, I'm struggling to "bond" with the pregnancy like I did last time :( I know I'm lucky and sorry to rant here but I don't feel I can tell real life people how much I'm struggling as I don't want to appear weak (feeling like I've failed at everything else) and here I'm wide open and I'm not scared of admitting my failures to you lot.

Think of you all often. Everyone deserves success and happiness. I'm keeping totally positive for you all and the new future tiny people who will all have the most incredible mothers

Big hugs Bunny. Let me hold your hair for you. It's totally ok to say it's hard. Two tinies will not be easy and little Princess sounds very demanding. But the MN mantra is This Too Shall Pass. Hopefully no 2 will be an easy baby, and I'm sure the bonding will happen once he/she is here. It is inevitable that with a first pregnancy you are fully focussed on it. You are a great mum and it will all be fine

bunny that does sound hard, especially if you're not feeling well. I do know from most of my friends that they views the second pregnancy very differently. I know one said that she had sleepless nights because she was sure she wouldn't love new baby as much as first born. Of course all was fine once baby was here. Is it possible to have a small break from mini p, just for an hour or two so you can put your feet up? Tiredness always makes everything seem worse.

nelly that's a pain about the blood test. I'm sure you'll sort something out though. It's so annoying how we can't control the timing, isn't it? This would be so much easier if we could.

buzzy that's lovely about twibling.

joy is the scan on Friday? I think the compatibility stuff is interesting too. There was some research where they gave people worn t shirts from the opposite sex and asked them to pick their favourite smell. They found that people favoured the smell of someone who had a chemical make up linked to their immune system that was the most different to their own. So, there is some thoughts that immune systems and compatibility are linked. DH says it's much more complicated than this and that it doesn't mean much in relation to fertility but I have always loved the way he smells and I have been known to sniff his worn t shirt because I think it smells so good

Re. your friends though. They don't know that his sperm is excellent. They only know that count, morphology and motility are ok I assume. The tests just don't exist and we don't have a full understanding of what makes fertile sperm. I'd also think that maybe she isn't really as fertile as she was despite what the tests might say. 5 pregnancies might have affected things. Could they try using the sperm from both men next time to see if a bit of competition helps? I can totally see how they annoyed you with their comments. Do they know what you've been through?

I still have a cold and I'm making sure to cough in the direction of my annoying colleague who has chosen to reheat a fish curry for lunch. The office stinks and I can smell it even through my blocked nose.

AF is still not here, sigh. More waiting.

Oh god, joy I didn't mention you. I'll be thinking of you on Friday. I know it's so, so scary right now but I'm so positive that this is it for you. Hopefully good scans for both of us.

Thanks Nelly and Ray. You pair of lovelies made me blub into my vommy hoody. I feel extra spoilt as Mil was her yesterday whilst I spent the afternoon in bed (we've never done that before) and Mr p has taken the day off work and is with mini p at playgroup this morning. I'm having a rest and a sofa pity party too. Mope mope mopey mope.

ah Bunny, it sounds tough but it sounds like tiredness and sickness bug are not helping. I reckon you'll be fine once mini bunny arrives and you will bond perfectly well. None of my friends have ever bonded with their pregnancy and many took 6 months to bond with their baby when it arrived. But you will juggle the 2 bunnies because you will have to and I can promise you, you will juggle them really well.

Ray - are you doing your natural cycle this month?? I will let you know how fertile this woman really is as the other husband who is the bio child of the first one, is now providing his sperm this weekend because his husband can't get her pregnant. They have had all the tests possible even sperm frag test and everything has come back more than normal so I guess that's the only thing they can base it on. I was out with gay friend the other night again and he said, 8 kids and not one took more than 1 month to conceive. She has never had a miscarriage either. Those stats are extraordinary. I think she will fall pregnant this month.
I also love the way Roy smells but I have friends who don't like how their husbands smell and they have had kids easily. sorry about your cold.

nelly - hope you manage your blood tests. waiting for the phone call is always nerve wracking and however much we tell ourselves it is not in our hands, it is still anxiety inducing. I'm 9+5 today. 10wks on friday for scan day. I've got to wait all day on friday as well as it's at 5pm.

buzz - I would never be able to leave a frosty behind either....unless i had a complete family already.

ray - i meant he is the bio father of their first child.

and why do so many people post pictures of their pregnancy sticks on MN and say can you see a line? I would understand if they are blind and don't have the gift of sight but I bet they can all see the line perfectly well themselves. And even more annoying is why on earth I always click on the posts in the first place!

Nelly it's in the hands of the gods now as joy says but I have everything crossed for a good fertilization rate. This is really stressful but just know you are doing everything right, as my friend said to me.

Bunny aw honey I am sorry you're struggling. Glad you're being looked after, and don't ever feel bad about venting. It will no doubt be very tough with two but you'll get through it like a champ and it is only for a relatively short period of time that they will both be so tiny. This too shall pass.

Toes it sounds like life is crazy chez vous, I suppose the only consolation is there might be some distractions? I hope you aren't too knackered and that you have your kitchen back soon!

Joy I will be wishing the days away for you. The first tri is so stressful because you feel like it could be whipped away from you at any moment. I'll have everything crossed for you on Friday. I know this is the time when your last pregnancy went wrong so am sending comforting hugs to you.

Buzz I too want to use all my frosties which should be easier now as we have two left, especially if this doesn't stick. I suppose it must be different if you get nine, say. You should enjoy mini bee and not be rushed, although I bet her twibling would be mega cute. I don't think your age affects things too much regarding varying the pregnancy now... At least that's what my doc said.

Ray I'm willing AF to arrive for you.

Sam hope you're ok. I think a BFP only shows up late if you ovulated later than you thought, so you could still be in the running. It's not over till the fat lady sings.

Had a tiny bit of light pink and brown spotting last night and this morning. I know it could literally mean anything, but as I didn't spot with J and I did spot with my mc I am worrying away that this is all going to go wrong again. Trying to focus on the fact I have zero control over it.

joy They do the pee stick squint on the Reprofit FB page, to be honest I must be blind as most of the time I don't see a line they also post bump pictures too. Have you got a booking in appointment for the hospital yet?? I'm sure all will be fine at the scan on Friday

ray fish curry delightful so waiting for AF so you can do your monitoring cycle then??? Typical it doesn't turn up want you want it too

critterBig paw squeeze, the spotting is a complete mind fuck, just remember that joy euro and I spotted so it could be implantation spotting. I suppose age wise its how well I would cope, not just being pregnant, its was tough last time but how do manage afterwards, by the time BB is 21 I will be pushing 62.

nelly It is out of your control now so sit back and relax hope you get the bloods done in time

bunny sorry about the bug, at least your MIL is helpful hope you feel better soon