New balls please! The BESH are hanging out the cunt bunting for Wombledon and saddling up for the Tour de France!

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Rules of entry: must be ttc #1 for over a year, be suitably evil and hag-like, and submit your BESHtionnaire for our approval. If you are a baby duster or a hun, this ain't the thread for you.

True! But during Christmas you can do all those things for 10 days on the trot!

Endo may be seen through dildocam/hsg but the only 100% accurate way is a laparoscopy. I had an HSG and I don't know how many ultrasounds and they never saw anything. The lap is a bit of a pain (general anaesthesia) but at least they can zap the endo away with laser during the same intervention, if they find any!

Hmm. Still not convinced. I could be doing all that over Christmas but it won't have anything to do with Christmas. It could be the same for any holiday, but without commercial pressure to buy presents and family pressure to visit...

Anyway, what was the reason for having the lap if they hadn't already detected it?

My gyno is not a massive believer in 'unexplained'. After all the tests coming back normal and monitoring my ovulation, lining, Mr Erica's sperm et al for a few months, he thought there must be a reason why I wasn't getting pg so he proposed a lap... And voilá.

Basically, he reckons the endo was not allowing the eggs to travel through the fallopian tubes, therefore sperm couldn't meet egg(s).

Makes good sense Erica
Still giggling about 'wit of the stairwell'.

My sister in law invited us to theirs for 6am on Christmas morning to watch the kids open their pressies 'as we must be missing out on so much of the magic of Christmas with not having our own children'. I was fucking livid.

There are definitely more ways to enjoy a festive morning.

Motherfucker chez - I hope you didn't suffer the old wit of the stairwell with that clanger and managed something pithy.

erica thanks, that's really interesting! I guess it's something to raise at our last appointment with the fertility consultant at the end of the month before we're referred for ivf. If she thinks there's anything to it maybe it's something we can explore while we're waiting.
P.s. You totally forgot the limitless gin drinking from that list of childless Xmas perks!

Christmas party season kicks off tomorrow - first one hosted by our biggest partner company, always a good one although it's a shame its on a Wednesday! Pretty much wall to wall eating and drinking for the next three weeks at work, doesn't sound like a hardship I know but I am going to be such a fatass by the new year!

cherry Whaaaaaaaaat??!!!!
I hope you informed the bitch that you couldn't think of anything worse and your idea of a lovely Christmas morning is drinking champagne with your husband, who had delivered said champagne wearing nothing but a santa hat .

Sorry I'm shite at forumming it seems. Must try harder.

Interesting to hear what you think re friends and babies. I guess I'm lucky so far in that none of them are trying yet. I've been open with them that we're trying and it's hard. If anything the boys are better than the girls to talk to - one in particular is usually a v good friend but she just closes me down when I talk about it "your time will come... Sure it will be fine". I find that a bit upsetting but I just know now not to expect much off her. I know she doesn't know what to say. And she just posted pics on FB of her holding her newborn nephew. rolls eyes

barking that colleague sounds a twat. Reading this thread, a lot of your colleagues sound twattish - makes me happy to be in man dominated job. They knock up their women but it's not in my face at least. Apart from the one who pops in at lunch and brings the baby.

cherry - har har har I hope she was fucking joking. Getting anywhere for 6am when there isn't a flight to Barbados involved isn't ever an option. Sounds like the worst kind of "my kids are my world and should be yours too" kind of loon.

Xmas - we moved recently. Have OH mother for a week (!!!!!!!!), his sister her husband and their son (11 - so not difficult) my parents and brother and OH's 2 kids off of his ex. Stepdad insists on cooking and sister in law is doing pud and cheese. I don't mind the influx of people tbh for xmas day itself (especially as everyone else is doing all the work), albeit think OH mother for a week is a massive imposition. Reason to not take any holiday tho.

Was about to say "I'll be drinking the gin and eating trifle" in the corner, but consultant prescribed me Clomid today, told me to stop snacks and sugar. Presumably booze in there too. Due to start taking in new year. Need to tell self "do you want a biscuit or a baby. Gin or a baby" over and over. Suppose it'll keep my face out the trough at work do's and stop me behaving like a total tit.

Job interview tomorrow. Yeah a good idea I know right? Start fertility drugs and try to get anew job at the same time. Invoking Sod's law.

Who posted about the African fertility mask?! That made me chortle! Amazing how fucking .... fucky people are.

'My kids are my world, you should totally do this, they're the most fulfilling thing I've ever done' is exactly it. We have a family meal with them tomorrow where no doubt the latest exploits of said sprigs will be rammed down our throat without an iota of room for grownup conversation. Not that I'm bitter it's enough to make you fucking weep

Don't get me wrong, they're good kids a bit spoilt sometimes but the circus that surrounds them is totally off putting to want to have anything to do with it. Which I'm quite sad about TBH. A little sensitivity to our predicament, that they're all fully aware of, wouldn't go amiss.

Oops, soz for the rant that came out there. The end of a veeerry long week and I'm definitely in need of gin. And every time my phone rings at the moment my heart can't help but take a lurch, hoping the clinic might have found us a donor. Which makes me extra mad when it's a fucking automated message trying to sell me a shit boiler.

Roll on Sod's law for you Icy, good mantra be strong on the sugar front.

cherry I feel for you, sounds like my in laws (they're also aware of our situation but make no allowance for it). It's all about showing off the kids. 'Oh, have you got the frozen music? You should see him dance to it, he's like the next Billy Eliott' .

SiL was particularly patronising last wkd. I sent her a message to ask what size clothes the kids were in.
'x is 4, y is 2'.
Yeah thanks. I know how old your kids are (but thanks for the disgusted tone by which you implied I didn't know and was therefore a failure as an Aunt) but what I don't know is whether to buy age 3-4 or 4-5. I tried again.
'Most shops sell age 2 and age 4 now.'
What, like you're suggesting the last time I was aware of children's clothing I was wearing it myself and times have moved on? Bitch. I happened to be stood in a shop trying to decide between an age 3-4 and 4-5 hence my fucking question.
I gave up. I was trying to play nice but she pissed me off very quickly so I'm leaving the kids presents to DCW. It's his bloody family after all..

Full of a fucking horrible cold. I've now been ill for two weeks and I've had enough. Supposed to be at a very boozy book club tonight followed by a bike ride tomorrow morning but currently all bunged up and lying on the sofa. The dog is snoring on top of me. Debating whether to try the prosecco treatment again. Worked ok last Saturday night...

Sounds like a very similar situation Barking except I think you try harder than me! we did actually get a birthday age wrong a couple of years ago. Bought a Happy age 7 card instead of 6. Oops. Never buying a bloody age card again after that fuckup. I mean I DID feel shit but it's ROCH's bloody family to get these things right. Right?

Sorry to hear you're feeling shit. More gin or the Prosecco treatment definitely required. It's the fucking weekend, thank god. Did I tell you how much I love my sofa? Cheers hags!

OK. It's been two fucking weeks now and I still feel like shit. Two weekends messed up. Two weeks of not being able to do anything. ENOUGH. Whatever this flu/cold/virus is it can FUCK OFF. I have things to do. Things that require being able to breathe, talk, not feel sick and not have a banging headache, swollen glands or a sore throat.
Like speak to the consultant tomorrow morning and actually be able to think. And speak. Something I'm struggling with right now.

Oh Barking that sounds miserable. Might be time to go to the docs and see if it's something other than a cold (ie hope it's something bacterial they can give you drugs for to make you better!!) or whether you should actually take a couple of days off, stay in bed and sleep it off rather than try and fight through it? Have an unBESH strokey forehead. Anything else would just hurt.

Hags I have a question for all those who've had a laporoscopy. What was your first droid post op like? Mine is ultra painful and I have a blinding headache too - is this right? I thought the point of a lap was to make them less painful hopefully? Plus I've just started taking the pill (from first of droid - beginning of downregging for ivf and to stop an ironidiff happening haha) - could it be that causing the head bit?

Sorry to hear you are feeling crap, Barking and Fab

I got a post-lap BFP so can't advise on how my first droid was but I've spoken to other women about their post-lap experiences and no one mentioned a particularly painful droid or headache. Maybe it's the pill? There was one brand (Cerazette?) that gave me the most horrendous migraines.

Three pregnancy announcements in the last 24 hours, hags. I am starting to have that irrational feeling that there are only a number of baybees available and that people are jumping the fucking queue and taking MY baybee!!

Still. At least there is lots of end of the year work to get on with, festive drinks galore and shopping to be done. Bring the prosecco out!

Hello BESH. Long time no speak. I was off having a fuckity fucking chemical pregnancy, which was new. Faint but definite positive for a few days followed by eight day incredibly heavy/unpleasant period.

I am now going to proceed to spend the Christmas period horribly drunk and make a GP appointment for January.

Hope you're all still fish-slapping away. I'm off to catch up on six weeks of thread.

Hi vesp, good to see you but sorry for the shitty cp

fab I had 3 days off the week before last, didn't even get out of bed other than toilet trips. That was nausea, fever, dizziness, lethargy, swollen glands etc. But I remember thinking 'at least I don't have a snotty nose!' That came last week. Full on head cold and sore throat now.
No idea about laps, sorry.

Erica that takes the piss. I got to work after the hospital today to find a colleague off on paternity. Wife went into labour yesterday. All talk was about whether she might have given birth yet. I didn't give a shit but managed not to say that out loud .
I've recently discovered prosecco. It's a great discovery. Have you tried the one from Aldi? It's amazing

So, plan, as suspected, is iui in January. They shut over Christmas so we couldn't have done next cycle anyway. Given it took my follicles and hormones a stressfully long time to get to size last time (basically not a whole lot better than my usual cd20 ovulation) I'm going slightly up in dose for the gonal f to try and get a better oestrogen/progesterone balance. That means an increased risk of over stimming and then a cancelled cycle, but I only got one follicle last time and hopefully they will go ahead even if I get two despite the risk of twins.
Contrary to what I was told by the RMC, he said aspirin would be worth trying . If I get a bfp I won't be on heparin, but a lower dose equivalent called Dalteparin. I'm hoping it will be a smaller needle... He's agreed to prescribe the progesterone again. Phew. So, boozy Christmas then we crack on in earnest come mid January. Bring on the scans and needles .

Vesp me old mucker, great to see you but crappy circumstances, sorry about the CP. Tres boo. Hope you're doing OK and being kind to yourself. Sounds like a few of us are going to be on the boozy Christmas bandwagon. Bring on the gin.

Not you though Fab, woohoo, didn't realise you were downreg imminent.
--sure you can have a few- exciting to be on the cusp of another go. I don't know about laps, sorry, but it seems very feasible that extra hormones in the system could cause havoc with your system.

Barking, what can I say, that sounds like a shocker of a flu you've landed. But you got a medicated plan dude and you'll be better and ready to go by January. Whelks of wellness to you, feel better soon.

Nothing to report here.. Two weeks today until our consultant appt, hoping the notes from our old clinic arrive before then. New HRT progesterone making me horridly spotty, hoping that settles down a bit. Otherwise trying to get organised for Chrimbo and keep work on the rails before I fall into a. It heap for the holidays for two weeks. Can't chuffing wait!

Fish to all.

(Erica just arggh!)

OMG are we anywhere near finishing this 'ere summer themed fred yet? We'll be round again at this rate.

This one seems to have gone on forever and seen way too much grief on the way for my liking.

We need to wrap it up people. I've just flipped the thread and realised I was pg at the start of it, that was fucking ages ago! And there's still over a month before we get back to trying another cycle. How bloody depressing. We MUST move on before 2015. If not by having actual conversation then I will just post the word FUCK on individual posts until it is full. Even if they get withdrawn they still add to the thread count .

On a plus though, I also noticed that Fankle was 10 weeks pg at the start - that makes her 8+ months now, no? Anyone know how she is doing? Is she due a Christmas baby?

Fuck!

No, FUCK .

Hmm, on second thoughts I was coming back for a more understated

fuck.

fuckitty fucksticks

Fuckity fuck?

Tis true this has. Went he longest fred ever. We need some good news and some happy thoughts. Fairy dust anyone???

Fucks sake autocorrect! I meant to write this has been the longest fred ever. MUST recheck before posting in my excitement!