New balls please! The BESH are hanging out the cunt bunting for Wombledon and saddling up for the Tour de France!

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Rules of entry: must be ttc #1 for over a year, be suitably evil and hag-like, and submit your BESHtionnaire for our approval. If you are a baby duster or a hun, this ain't the thread for you.

So I think it's safe to say if you are able to have a natural pregnancy then you wouldn't want to inject anything into your body if you didn't have to but if you aren't able to do that but are able to get pregnant using injectables then that's the way it has to be! With the Aspirin question then I would tend to go with your specialist's advice....as long as you are comfortable with them and trust them. Certainly in the world of auto-immune infertility they recommend low-dose aspirin but only as long as it's right for your body - it's not a cure all for everyone and shouldn't be taken unless it's been recommended for you.

L-day for me is on Monday - eek! First lap - hope it all goes smoothly! I'm really hoping it is endometriosis as they can do something about it then. What happens if it's something else? Or they can't find anything that's causing me constant pain? Don't even want to think about that option though!

Finally finished my contract at work - extremely frustrating as we disagreed on pay in the end. So shortsighted on their part.

Chez - Great news on the potential job and clinic sitch!!!

Barking - I agree (sorry I don't really understand it all but I will agree anyway)

Hags - there is a conspiracy against me led by my phone. For some reason the app will allow me onto every other mumsnet post but the BESH - whenever I open this link it immediately crashes - weird and slightly paranoia inducing

So I will be back more often once I can sort the blighter out (and work less - barking you actually made me cackle out loud, you have no idea how many "I should probably work less, this stress isn't good for baby making" vs "seriously you mental cow?? Exactly what is good enough to put a baby in you?? Drink
More gin and shut up" internal conversations I've had)

I'm having the very same problem Blue! I've given up with the app and am on the website on my phone instead. Just the sort of thing you don't need when you're feeling like a crazyfucked hormonal nutter I don't mind telling you!

Fab good luck tomorrow, hope all goes well. Check in and let us know! Sending you a long-whiskered catfish to accompany you to the hospital .

Blue It's a conspiracy! The world is against you!

Fab/Erica See, I did once get pg with clomid so maybe iui with clomid would be worth trying, with the progesterone to support my luteal phase. However, the consultant advised me not to take any more clomid and there's less control with clomid than injectables, and if I was to use a precious nhs funded cycle/ put myself through it again I'd want to give it maximum chances of working. But it seems greater chances of working could mean greater chances of mc!
I also want to ask about the different doses of cyclogest and the reasons behind them. So many questions, so much uncertainty, and another month before our next appointment. Bah.
Anyway, another fun day of diy awaits. Finished painting at 11 last. night, laying a new floor this morning....

Well thus far I can recommend the John Radcliffe hospital - anaesthetist even made me a cup of tea while I wait for surgery!

Yay for brilliant anaesthetist Fab - hope everything goes well, keep us posted!

Barking I think what your consultant says make sense because

a) if you have a limited number of attempts, of course give each of them your best (or the best drugs at least!)

And, moreover

b) if they have found out the reason behind the mc-s, it means that they can offer treatment, therefore lowering the chances of it happening again.

Re: Progesterone. It's meant to be pretty harmless (apart from giving you semi-preggers symptoms and therefore driving you rather crazy during the 2ww). I don't think there are large studies proving it prevents mc, but once again, if a doctor that treats rmc patients every day thinks it's worth taking it... i will take it!

So. Had some dildocam action going on on Saturday and apparently it's all looking good: three large follies (with Letrazol) and thick uterus lining. So the million dollar question is: if everything is looking so hunky dory, the endo is gone and Mr Erica's semen is also normal, why the hell do I not get pregnant???

Maybe I should just relax, right??

No, I know. I SHOULD JUST STOP THINKING ABOUT IT AND IT WILL HAPPEN WHEN I LEAST EXPECT IT!!!

How did you get on Fab -apart from the good cuppa? Hoping for good news for you!

Barking I had 75mg aspirin until transfer and then daily clexane injections for the blood clotting, 400mg of cyclogest twice a day after EC. I had doubts about needing the Clexane but as I do have symptoms of over eager clotting we decided to not worry about it and follow their expertise. I can't say I have ever blamed the medication for the fact it didn't work but I'll still be interested to hear what the new clinic suggests.

Still thinking COW thoughts for you Erica. Dildo cam findings sound very positive. Keep the faith my fellow BESH. One of these days each of us will have our turn.

Blue I think we're living parallel lives in the work stakes at the mo. The combined levels of stress cortisol and alcohol in my blood stream right now is not good! Must make an effort on clawing back my healthy lifestyle!

Erica for me the progesterone isn't about preventing mc as such, more making a pg possible at all. My LP is 7 days, sometimes a whole 8! In my head this means that swimmer meets egg, they get jiggy, then come to join the party only to find that someone has pulled the plug and the party is already over, there's nowhere to go .

I'll just have to wait until December and speak to the consultant, then work on passionately believing that everything he says is definitely the right thing to do and it's all going to work out fine in the end...

Fab what the hell was in that tea? Are you still under? ^^

chez when are you at the clinic?

Erica you can and will get pg. Soon. Our times will all come, however we get there or wherever we end up.

blue still working?

Barking YES! I like the angry positive thinking. It's going to happen yes or yes!

I also used to have a short LP, around 9 days I think, and it definitely got longer thanks to the progesterone. Taking 400 mg x 2 a day, the droid wouldn't show her ugly her until I stopped taking it, basically.

My cycles seem to be more regular since the lap (26-27 days, an LP of 11-12) so maybe the spotting I experienced on days 22-23 were due to the endo?

Just had a Skype meeting with a colleague who is based abroad and I got the impression she had the tiniest bump. I nearly went 'are you preggers?? are you?? because I can take it BUT I NEED TO KNOW?!!!'

This is the 2ww ladies and gentlemen, and the shewolf is back!

her ugly face. Not her ugly her. My claws make it difficult to type, you see.

Cherry Fellow BESH. Love it! Hope the wait until you hear about the job is sort of bearable. I would definitely allow myself wine/gin until you get some news. Then again, willpower has never been my forte (or existent)

How do you know how long your LP is (I'm not talking music albums here) ??

(Still working, nothing else but my typing fingers are functioning)
to my BESH (that should be flowers and wine incase it's playing up again) I wish this worked instead cos this is a squid -->????????

Hi Hags I'm back! Ended up staying in over night as they were late operating on me, then the op was longer than planned and they gave me such a massive amount of pethedine that they wouldn't have let me go until about 11 at night. Quite glad I stayed in the end as I was totally zonked. Anyway all is good, they found some endo so they've zapped that and my right ovary was stuck to something (they told me this when I was zonked so I didn't ask what - grrrr!) so they unstuck it. So they reckon I should be good to go for ivf from jan onwards. Whoop!

Fab - whoop!!!!
Squids of success at ya

Brilliant stuff Fab!!!

Seriously, I am going to start a Lap Fan Club!

Glad to see you surface Fab and with positive news, IVF in Jan, whoop, bring it on! Why do they always impart essential info when you're out of it though? I bet it's to save interrogation! ironidiff here you come then esp with unstuck ovary.

Blue I presume you measure LP as the time between ovulation and droid arrival? I don't know how many you need for a hit record though

We're at the new clinic for an intro meeting on Thursday. The follow up apt from the failed IVF came through today as well. Not until the end of December and to tell us what? Unlucky!

In other news I don't know if it's all the additional hormones floating about at the moment or what but droid has got me good and proper today. On the sofa with wine and a hot water bottle feeling sorry for myself at the mo. If it brought fertility with it to my knackered ovaries we would be OK but chance would be a fine thing! Not used to this monthly onslaught anymore...

Blue for the LP: count the days between your ov and the first day of your period. It's 14 days on average for people with very with textbook cycles but I think from 11 days is considered normal.

Why is it that some clinics don't have the follow up appointment until such a long time afterwards?? It feels so impersonal and like they've dropped you at that point doesn't it - especially when they're all over you going through stims. I think they would be much better off doing it a couple of weeks after you do the test so giving you a little bit of time to come to terms with things and still be able to remember everything that happened and have all the questions fresh in your mind. It just seems unfair to leave it months before allowing you to close things down properly.

Good luck anyway Chez with your new clinic, I hope they give you good vibes and I hope you have good drugs to help you through this droid!

Fucking baby talk all over the fucking office .

That is all. As you were.

Will be on properly later, just had to scream somewhere.

Yup Fab it really does!

Squid of sympathies with you Barking, I feel your pain. I just got invited to lunch tomorrow with the newly laid from our office. Of course I can't make it as I'll be in the FC clinic, oh the irony thank god .

A small triumph for me today; I finally got a Dr to listen to me, embrace new medical thinking and let me try a different combo of HRT drucks, hurrah! Only taken 11 months and multiple requests. Hopefully these won't turn me into a psycho or cause massive skin irritation like the current lot. I'm almost excited to try!

Right, I'm back properly now.

Erica Harness the inner shewolf. I agree, not knowing and therefore wondering if someone is pg is often worse than knowing they are.

Blue opks, bbt, cm, charting etc etc... Oh the things I didn't know about my cycle until I realised with horror that having unprotected sex didn't necessarily get you pregnant and I might need to learn a bit about the mechanics.

Fab hooray for the zapping and unsticking. January should be iui for me - it's going to be an ivf/iui cluster diff!!

cherry best of luck for tomorrow, hope everything goes well and you come away well informed and confident it's going to happen . And well done with getting a doctor onside!

The girl who sits next to me at work became an aunt today (brother's baby). She got the call, squealed, and started crying. Then showed me the photo when it came through. Her sister also works in the office so there was lots of mutual squealing. Then I tried not to listen to the phone call to mum about being a grandma.
Then another colleague was enquiring about the refund notice for the Xmas party as his wife is due that week.
I asked someone about a former colleague and they said 'oh, you know his wife's expecting?'
Then someone brought in cake for their birthday. Turns out she just turned 30. Seems so young now. She already has two children .
There were other pg stories from today in the office but I'm losing the will to live just relating them to you. Enough is enough, there's a limit.

Painted the lounge tonight whilst listening to the neighbour screaming and shouting at her 4 kids yet again.

Walked the dog in the park and bumped into accidentally diffed friend. Even in the dark her bump is now obvious and I actually felt my stomach tighten as I saw it. She's as far gone as I would have been with my second. Time to start avoiding her for the sake of my sanity methinks.

Anyway Besh, today has been poo and I'm going to bed. Tomorrow will be better.

Oh ffs. Now accidental differ has announced it's a boy and I've been invited to her 'non baby shower' event at the end of Jan: 'A last chance to go out without needing a babysitter' Oh my heart fucking bleeds for you dear.

Are 'ironic' baby showers a thing now? Please someone stab me in the eye with a rusty screwdriver.