New balls please! The BESH are hanging out the cunt bunting for Wombledon and saddling up for the Tour de France!

[FizzyFeet]

Rules of entry: must be ttc #1 for over a year, be suitably evil and hag-like, and submit your BESHtionnaire for our approval. If you are a baby duster or a hun, this ain't the thread for you.

Did you have the earlier scans in the epu MissH? How often did you get them? I'm hoping the assisted conception unit will give me extra scans due to past history if we actually get that far. I'd already got DCW to agree last time we could pay for a private one at 9 weeks if we couldn't. At least I know with the IUI they will scan until they see a heartbeat/confirm it's all over, having had two without a heartbeat and being booked in for further scans each time.

I'm getting impatient now. The last iui was May, and not only do we have to wait until January for the next one, it will be right at the very end of January due to my cycle suddenly becoming shorter and more predictable!!! (technically we could start in December but I'll be due the day we go away for a week over Christmas!) Who would have thought last year when the droid vanished that my cycles being regular could be a bad thing?!

Yeah I had scans with EPU at 7, 9 and 12 weeks, the last one would have been cancelled if my dating scan had been that week but that didn't happen until 13 so I kept it and got an extra one!

I'm just hoping I start to feel movement before the next one otherwise it'll be a long 7 weeks!

Hey hags, sorry for AWOLness, hope you had a fab hols Barking?

Nice little cameo from a diffed MissH I see. Cheers for stopping by and giving us all a glimmer of hope in these barren lands. We've been devoid of even a sniff of late. Dead chuffed for you.

Best of luck for your lap Fab and resulting OMGTWINZ ironidiff may the lucky BESH gargoyle be with you.

I think I'm on a bit of an IVF BFN rebound at the mo. The hormone crash last Friday was, quite frankly, horrendi but since then I seem to have been on a bit of a mish to get my shit together. Chucked myself into work, put an impromptu job application in on Friday for a mass ass promotion that I wasn't really considering. Got me an interview so, time to get serious, I wanna land this bad boy now.

Ooo, cherry, when's the interview? Good luck!

MissH glad they're keeping an eye on you .

Cherry Brilliant news with the interview, everything crossed for you!

So my gyno reckons I shouldn't worry about endo coming back quite yet but we may have to consider a second lap if I haven't got preggers by January... we'll see.

In the meantime, I'm still on Letrazol and going to get scanned on CD 11 to see if the follies are developing ok, linen is nice and thick etc... and take it from there.

It feels like we are back to where we started a year ago but our doctor is so optimistic that it sorts of catches on and I feel relatively positive myself. Then again, I am always sort of rational until ovulation time and then go all WAAAAHAHAHAHHHAHHA for the last two weeks of the cycle! :)

How is everyone doing?

Yup I know that "this is all fine, it'll work out" vs "I'm a crazy lady and I'm gonna steal a baby" cycle ..,

Too much work still, back again soon

Erica I'm now imagining your womb being softly lined with high quality linen .

I'm entering crazy land. The blood clotting results have freaked me out as I'm now terrified of getting pg naturally (oh the irony). The fact that I haven't managed to get pg naturally in almost 3 years doesn't seem to help the crazy .

Appointment with rmc tomorrow. Have worked extra hours yesterday and today so that I won't have to go back to work afterwards. Wish me luck hags. I want answers and A Plan.

Blue don't work so hard, has no-one told you that stress doesn't help? ^^

Eh up hags.
Erica glad to hear about the optimism and that your dr is confident the endo won't have returned. My friend who advised me to ask for a laparoscopy had 2 laps - one for each child (took her 3 months to conceive after the first lap and 6 months after the second one). Cheering you on...your plush linen and pma!

Fab sending you a lagoon prawn of laparoscopy luck! Lots of research to back up the effectiveness of a lap when mild endo is removed. Amazing how you can have it and just not know. When is yours?

Chezza you're an inspiration. Go girl!! Good luck with the interview. It's times like these when your career can be the greatest distraction in your life. Either that or a puppy?!

Barking good luck with your rmc appt tomorrow. It's actually a good thing that they found blood clotting issues as that can be quite easily dealt with once you're diffed, I gather - and you WILL get diffed again. (I know someone from the infertility support group I joined last year, who'd had 3 mcs (one at 20 weeks)...who had that same diagnosis. She got diffed around Christmas/ new year and now has a prize baybee girl. Granted, she didn't have fertility ishoos per se but she had been trough hell and joined the group as she didn't know the cause of her repeated mcs).

Hope you don't mind me popping on and sharing random stories like this...I don't want it to come over the wrong way so really hope it doesn't. I'm just rooting for all you hags as you all really deserve a feckin break and some luck at long last.

Ha ha Blue! You put it beautifully! I have a few days left before I turn into a shewerewolf!

Thanks Barking! I can feel it thickening by the BESH hag magic! Good luck with your appointment, I hope you get some answers and some solutions!!

Yeah, dudes, why don't you just RELAX AND IT WILL HAPPEN!

GARRAHTAOURHIH HEOHOEIHRIRH HGH!!

And thanks Fankle- just saw your message! Yeah, for what I've read on the endometriosis.org. uk or whatever, and for what my doctor says, you need to reconsider a second lap around 9 months after the previous one, so I still have a few more months left.

Keep popping Fankle and telling us happy-ending stories!!!

fankle at the moment I'm obviously second guessing, but I'm hoping it's good news as in something treatable. My concern is that if by some miracle I got naturally diffed, I wouldn't know until it was too late to save it. Which makes me want to not even try. With the iui it's all structured and I could start taking whatever from the point of the deposit, as it were...
But I should have some answers later...
Been awake since about 4.30am. Not tuned in to work right now. Don't care either. On my break and trying not to fall asleep. Feeling a little loopy .

Hi Barking

Hope it all goes well!

In conversation with my gyno about the possible reasons behind rmc, he said that if it was blood clotting issues, he would put me on aspirin from ovulation and heparin injections from BFP. In actual fact, he's going to do that plus progesterone plus prednisolone as soon as I get a BFP, 'just in case'. So not a super complicated treatment, if you need to start straight away? Are you worried that you could be diffed already?

Of course, if there is an issue, it could be one with a different treatment but I would hope that any doctor would be happy to speed processes up should you find yourself preggers and in need of a quick diagnosis and treatment.

Holding your toe and sending your prawns!

And I used the word 'treatment' 27 times in a two paragraphs because ... em, I can. So there!

No, definitely not preggers (we were told not to try before this appointment) and very unlikely to manage it naturally given it's not happened yet, but doesn't stop the menkul! I guess asprin from ovulation might help. Had the dildocam (by a male nurse, very strange) and now waiting for the consultant. Happily, it's the same consultant we had in the infertility clinic and then assisted conception unit (they do get around), so whatever he agrees will be what can happen with the next IUI .

As an aside I do wish it was socially acceptable to slap heavily pregnant women who stand outside hospitals smoking fags .

Interview #2 completed, waiting to see if I get through to the next round but it could be a nerve wracking week or so before I hear.

How did you get on Barking, am fascinated to hear? Do you have any symptoms of having blood clotting ishoos? I'm fascinated to hear, partly because I have anticardiolipin antibodies which cause blood to clot too quick and partly because even my heavy IVF fail droid was full on to start with but quickly petered out and still only lasted three days and I kind of want to know if that's a sorta symptom?

Oh and don't get me started on the crowds of enormo diffed women, gathered outside every hospital door I've ever walked by, puffing away as though their lives depended on it. Just Grrr!

COW for Erica!

Glad stuff is progressing so well for you Fankle, how are the PESH and CRESH?

Meant to say, bad times on the workload Blue but also got the t-shirt this last couple of weeks. Not a bad distraction technique though.

Did I say we have an apt coming up at a new clinic next week?

Cherry Whoop with interview #2, hopefully you get to the next round. Go go go go!

COW? I do love animals, me... but a cow?? Obviously haven't been here long enough :)

Barking Brilliant that you got the same consultant!

Fun fact of today: Monica Bellucci had her first child with foxy Vincent Cassel at 40, second child at 46! Booooom!

Thanks Erica, fingers crossed indeed... And until then I shall just chuck random animal names at you. Not really. COW stands for a cheerleading Come On Womb!

The old diffed is encouraging... I think the thing that s?ares ROCH though is not the having of but the being a parent of a 15 year old while being a pensioner.

Well done chez, fingers crossed for good news And back on the horse so to speak (just wanted to throw another animal in and I know you like them anyway) with the clinic, exciting times .

Erica Wow, pg at 46. That's like the Steve Martin film where mother and daughter are pg at the same time. Only she doesn't have a pg daughter. So it's not like it at all. As you were...

So, we didn't get our usual consultant after all, even though our name was under his clinic, we got the same condescending but pretty blonde woman we saw last time. Oh well.
Anyway, she confirmed Factor V Leiden thrombophilia and if I get a bfp I'll be on heparin injections. No other issues found.
She had read the latest research on asprin that says it could do more harm than good and doesn't recommend it anymore. With two mc's behind us we're both more inclined to take the risk. So, next step back to assisted conception next month, and IUI end of January. If it works I have plenty more injections to get used to, but goes without saying I'd do anything that might prevent another mc. Next thing is to consider whether to return to acupuncture and a wheat free diet in the hope it will lengthen my lp and possibly give us a chance of a fuck you diffment pre iui. Hmm.

Anyone got any strong opinions on asprin either way?

Hi Barking,

How are you? Does it feel better to have a diagnosis?

Re: aspirin. My consultant recommends it and I have heard of quite a few people, both here and in real life, that believe that aspirin made a difference in helping them carry to term. But this could be circumstantial? Sometimes I get the impression that doctors 'throw stuff' at patients (aspirin, progesterone etc), hoping to find the right combination. And that's fine, after all 50% of infertility/rmc cases are 'unexplained'. But then many 'unexplained' cases seem to respond to treatment and basically, get their bay bees. I am happy to try anything that could potentially help, as long as it doesn't increase my chances of miscarrying again (for instance, I would be reluctant to use injectables for IUI because apparently they are proven to increase the chance of miscarriage. Probably worth it if you are not ovulating at all but I seem to ovulate fine and respond well to Clomid and Letrazol so I wouldn't want to take that particular chance).

But if a consultant that is following your case and diagnostic closely recommends that you don't use aspirin, I would probably follow her advice. That said, I would also ask her why, what studies is she referring to how does she mean 'more 'harm'? more risk of miscarriage, side effects...?

This study is quite updated (if not large, unfortunately) - have a look www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24995856

This one is longer and from two years ago but I love what they say: A dedicated and supportive team is necessary for couples who suffer with recurrent miscarriage and they should be reassured that 75% will achieve a live birth in a subsequent pregnancy with no intervention'

www.proyectoteam.com/pdf/trombofilia_review2012.pdf

Wow. That was long!

COW!!!!

Thank you for those links Erica. So basically they are saying there's no real evidence one way or the other....
I hadn't heard abut the mc risk with injectables, we certainly weren't told that when we did IUI .

The way I see it in these reports, there is not hard evidence that aspirin works to avoid mc, but no evidence that it would do any harm either.

That said, I imagine if someone is working with rmc patients every day, they must collect a hell of a lot anecdotal evidence and they probably advice against aspirin for a reason so I would ask them.

Here more info on gonadotropin here

www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/gonadotropin-treatment-for-infertility

www.mainlinefertility.com/educational-information/injectable-gonadotropins/

infertility.about.com/od/infertilitytreatments/a/What-Are-Gonadotropins.htm

I think that if someone is not ovulating at all and Clomid/Letrazol is not working, it makes complete sense to use injectables. I am pretty sure they have a higher pregnancy rate too. BUT in my particular case, the risk outweighs the benefit. I have friends that got pregnant and had babies with injectables and IUI so I am not in any way saying they are 'bad'. I think it really depends on what the issue is?

Hmm. I do ovulate, my problem is a short LP. Clomid worked for me only once. I think part of the reason for the iui working was the cyclogest giving time for the embryos to snuggle. With all that, it would make sense for me to not have injectables, but just use the cyclogest from ovulation onwards. 35% risk of mc is pretty high . However, trying to be positive, the only women having iui are those with fertility issues, so surely there could be a higher risk of mc due to the factors that have prevented many of them getting pg in the first place? Obviously if ovulation is the only problem iui should work great, but if there's another reason stopping you getting pg - ie all the 'unexplained' - then the same reason could cause a mc?

If you could all vehemently agree with this logic, however flawed, it would help me not panic and decide to give up with the iui/ivf - surely the risk with ivf would be even higher as you're using more drugs to get more eggs? Shit. None of this is easy is it? .

Hi Barking

I think you can take up all the questions to the consultant and see what they say. If mine recommended that I use injectables because of X reason (because the increased mc affects to a group of women I don't belong to or whatever), I would trust him and use them. I would just want to know why, iyswim.

You can also ask about IUI with with Clomid or Letrazol? It's pretty usual I think.

Sorry, you came here asking about aspirin and we have started a whole new bag of worries!