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The Rules...

(1) A lady may only POAS on a Friday.
(2) Friday means the day that everyone calls Friday in the time zone where you spent the night.
(3) Rule (1) does not apply to POA-OPK-S, UNLESS they are being illegitimately used as surrogate HCG detectors, in which case Rule (1) most definitely does apply
(4) Rule (1) does not apply following a BFP because if you want to waste £25 a day POADigiS that's your prerogative
(5) Rule (1) does not apply if a lady is POAS in an attempt to get a BFN to prove she can start DTD with intent
(6) Rule (1) does not apply if a lady wants for unknown reason to pee on an actual stick, like a twig or some such, if that lady is unexpectedly caught short whilst tramping in the forest looking for bears.
(7) These rules (including Rule (1)) are subject to the change at any time if the ladies of the Posifrickentivity thread decide on a whim come up with empirical evidence to prove that it is luckier to POAS on any other day of the week
(8) Violators of Rule (1) shall be subject to fish throwing.

And as a grand finale, why not pledge to NEVER POAS before 14DPO?

Sebs I'm shocked to hear the response you've had. As if we didn't have enough to go through without insensitive medical professionals! What did Tommy's recommend?

I'm shocked as well. Tommy's midwife said everything I've told her sounded ok. The bleed could have been implantation. I wouldn't have registered on the 50miu digi I used before my AF as my hcg levels wouldn't have been high enough at that stage and faint lines dont worry her. She also said she would be surprised if it was ectopic.

All very reassuring but I still want a scan.

That sounds reassuring and dare I say it pretty positive! Are there any other scan options for you? Is London a little too far?

Whereabouts do you live Sebs? It's horrid when you don't know what the hell is going on. Much sympathy

I'm in Cambridgeshire Eatscake. I have three hospitals nearby. Two only take referrals through a GP and midwife, one accepts self referrals but are currently less than interested.

By hook or by crook it will get sorted. Just waiting for my Mum to arrive so I can head out to the GP appointment. She is late! Not helpful with my stress levels.

I have an update. My GP says im not pregnant. He did a test on a teaspoon of wee I managed to squeeze out and because the line was not as strong as the control he has said it ain't so. I did have a little look and I could see a faint line developing, so I don't think he is right. Maybe half right. I think it might have been a chemical and my body is just clinging onto the hormone.

So I'm off to the hospital to have a blood test done and once again I feel like a silly cow as my GPs face was all

Oh Sebs you poor thing it sounds incredibly confusing, let us know how you get on at the hospital. Thinking of you and hoping you get answers.

Thinking of you sebs hope you get some sensible answers from the hospital. And when the dust has settled a bit do try and find yourself a new gp, yours sounds like a total doofus

What a cock! Once you get some answers complain and switch GPs. Fucking fucker! I'm so angry for you!

You know I think I just might. I only joined that surgery in the last 6 months and ive seen two male doctors, both of then extremely unsympathetic each time and very patronising. In my previous practice in another county I had a totally different experience, particularly a female GP who was so amazing when I felt ill months after my sons birth a did a full blood profile twice to rule things out.

Sorry I've been so self obsessed. Funny how you get like that when you're scared xxxx

You're not self obsessed sebs, as you said you're scared and it helps to know people are behind you even if it's 'only' online. I agree with making a complaint and switching gps too. Hope hospital appt goes ok

What a total dick! Line not as strong and therefore you're not pregnant? What kind of pregnancy test is he using where the test line has to be as dark as the control line?!

I hope the hospital staff are more sympathetic and you get some answers from your blood test. Is your appointment today?

What an awful few days sebs Hope you get some answers at the hospital. Thinking of you x

Oh and defo complain about gps. It is not acceptable to be dismissive of someone who is scared and seeing reassurance

sebs i cannot blv what you are going through and the level of service you have received. That doesnt make any sense about the line being fainter than the control line. Is the GP confused between opk and hpt - has he ever used one before?

I hope the blood test give you more information. What an awful day...

Now there speaks someone who has never POAS themselves!

Cock. Hope you get to see someone who'll actually examine you properly x

Thank you everyone.

Ok I have some cold hard facts. The GP rung me back (with egg on his face) and said I have an hcg level of 66. So we are assuming early mc but he wants to make sure levels are going down and not up. He actually called it a mc himself, I was saying chemical, so I'm hopeful it will go in my records as a second mc.

So I'm not mad first of all. But I also don't think I'm pregnant. I've been asked to make an appointment for bloods on Wednesday and Friday just to check what's going on.

Meanwhile my body can't decide if I'm pregnant or about to ovulate lol. It's like Picidilly Circus in my pants

So sorry it wasn't good news sebs but glad you have some sort of answer. x

Hi sebs just catching up with all your developments. Your doctor sounds useless! I'm so annoyed on your behalf that he made you feel silly for going in when you were clearly right! Glad you have those further blood tests booked so you can get a much clearer answer.

As for me, not much going on, have just ordered another big pack of OV sticks and bought myself two lovely new non maternity dresses as I'd been optimistically avoiding clothes shopping in case I got miraculously up duffed again straight away. Ho hum.

sebs I'm so sorry it looks like bad news again for you, but at least your GP seems to have got his arse in gear now and is finally taking you seriously! Good luck with the further blood tests.

Nice one on the new dresses Gail! I'm intending to buy myself a new bikini this weekend for our holiday in 4 weeks' time, which also means I'm throwing myself into a last-ditch diet and exercise regime from today. That's if you discount the chocolate biccie I had with my coffee earlier...

I have been learning so much so thought is update again so it can help people reading this.

I did a bit of research on ectopic just so I was more clued up re. the blood tests snd what the levels would possibly look like if they were looking that way.

I then rung the EPAU back to talk about my blood test results and how the one sided pain I started the day with was still there (very much could be Pilates related. She said that they could not scan until the hormones level reached 1000. So even if I was showing every sign of ectopic, if my levels were under 1000 they wouldn't do anything.

I said to her that what happens if I start to bleed the purple coloured blood they talk about. Would they still leave it? She said then they might get one of the gynaes to do a speculum examination and would go from there.

So it really does sound as though there is very little that they can or will do to be precautionary when it comes to ectopic. It seems that they generally just wait and wait and wait - I guess until you end up in A&E or the blood results give the go ahead to scan. I find it pretty frightening. I am just hoping my blood test goes down on Wednesday and we can get back to TTC.

sebs I repeat that does not make any sense!! I have been scanned at EPU with hcg of 477 and they could see a sac and yolk sac (embryo was of course Mia). In any case it is a load of bs that they cannot scan before hcg of 1000. They need to determine if any tissues are still retained and so it is obligatory upon them to scan you to ensure mc is complete. I am completely appalled. I hope you are doing ok through this mess.

english I missed your news from this morning. Wtg!! Here's a "congratulations your body is getting its act together and ovulating" card.

God Triple that is mad. Why the fuck am I being told this then? This was the information I was given at The Rosie Addenbrookes, massive maternity hospital!! I went through all the scenarios with her. I said if my next blood tests show a rise but not doubling, what they scan me then? She said no and said they would just keep testing bloods every 48 hours until it hit 1000. If I had bad enough pain in the meantime that I was doubled over and pain relief doesn't work then I need to get myself to A&E.

Why are they so lacksie daisy about this? It can kill women and can result in emergency surgery and the losing of a tube. Makes no sense to me.

Sebs...what a complete pile of shit. I really feel for you. I can't believe the incompetence of some people I. The medical profession. I am glad that the doctor called you back though and you're getting bloods taken. I hope the numbers do go down for you. You've been remarkably strong and patient!!

Thanks triple! Feel like making myself a badge and proudly displaying it!!

Sebs I'm racking (wracking?) my brain to try and remember my hcg when I had a threatened ectopic in Dec. I am absolutely sure it was below 1000. I was called in for scans and blood tests and as I only had a small rise, I was admitted over the weekend for observations. Even when I had a small sac visible, one consultant wanted to remove my tube!

It wasn't an ectopic, just a blighted ovum that I miscarried naturally a week later. Very light bleeding and quick recovery physically.

I really don't get how different the protocols can be across the country!

I really hope you get some answers soon, but I think you're right to think of it as an early mc. I had some stitch type pain on one side and the scan showed a simple cyst on my ovary.

sebs I also second that that is bollocks. The EPU scanned me with a low hcg (can't remember what but was below 1000) on the basis I had bleeding and they wanted to locate it. 66 is pretty low though so can sort of see why they aren't concerned but that's not the point is it.