CLOMID GANG - the newER thread!!

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Can't do links...if anyone can link from the last thread to this one it would be fab!!

I am so rubbish!!

hiya again have any of you took pregnyl i took it on monday i just wondered how long it stays in your system for.

Hi wayzee....what was the IUI like (if that's not too personal!). I am having mine on Monday and I'm VERY excited although a bit unsure of exactly what the procedure is as it's my first go.

I have been taking menopour (also called bucerilin....but not necessarily spelt like that!) from CD2 - CD12 as well as puregon.
I am due to have the pregnyl jab on Saturday eve.

I'm not sure how long the hcg (pregnal) stays in your system but I do know that you mustn't be tempted to do an early test as it is the same hormone as you produce in pg so it will give you a false pos.

What size and how many follicles did you have?

I've just read back and answered my question about follicle size! Sorry....being lazy again obviously!

Do they scan again on the day of IUI or just do it?

I have SO many questions!!!!

hiya coggy i had one follicle 17mm i was scanned on monday to check size and whe i had one had to take pregnyl on evening at 9.30. they wouldnt scan you on day of iui cos it would of gone cos you should have ovulated. the iui wa scheduled for 11am on wednesday but didnt happen till 12.30 cos acc nurse couldnt do it which paniced me abit so had to get doctor to come who one it straight away without any problems. its now just the wait to see if it has worked im busting to test but cant cos of pregnyl. as for what it was like well dont let me put you off but i wouldnt like to have it again id rather have just had my injections and tried myself cos from taking the pregnyl you cant try yourself your dh will have to ascertain so its better quality and then by time i had mine it was 39 hours after injection and apparantly only fertile for 40 hours with maximum of 48 hours after injection but i was so sore i couldnt really try myself. it was just as painful as a smear mine i think mine felt worse cos acc nurse messed about when she was trying to do it and couldnt. they just put your dh sperm in a syringe attached to a catherter pipe and squirt it right up inside you. im just not really positive cos not very high success rates and i know it goes higher up to give you more chance but i just felt as though if i could have tried myself i could have tried from pregnyl till 48 hours and i just feel like i would have give myself more chance then cos feel like ive just had one chance now if you know what i mean with just he iui. sorry to make this so long i really hope it goes well for you though im just trying to be positive and keeping my fingers crossed. good luck and let me know how it goes.

I understand what you mean about the one chance with IUI and the several chances you could have done yourself.
I have had the pregnyl before with clomid and nothing happened so I am passed that hope I think!

Just relieved that I don't have to pressure DH into BDing at the right time this month!!
It gets a bit mechanic after several years IYKWIM!!!

I didn't really think it out about the scanning did I?
Of course they couldn't see it if it's gone!
I put my dim-ness down to all of the excitment.

I hope that your 2WW isn't too long.
When did they say you could test?
What are the chances of conception?
Someone said 20% but I have also heard other %s so I'm not actually sure myself.

I hope you don't mind me asking you questions....it's only now the procedure's getting close that I realise how little I know!!

no dot mind at all its better for us all to share our experiences i think so we can help and advise one another. i just dont know what to think for best in august last year i fell pregnant after they said clomid hadnt worked but then i had missed miscarriage in october and they put my comid up to 150mg and biggest follicle got to was 11mm on the friday then i started bleeding on tuesday so started me on injections and then straight onto iui so i just felt as though i might of got pg myself after before however its just something i will never know. its only been 3 dys since my iui an its driving me mad they said i could test after 2 weeks but not sure if two weeks since monday when i had injecion or wed when i had iui bt ive been looking on internet and found that the 5000iu njection of pregnyl should be out of my systemin 10 days which would be thursay but i dont want to test to early incase its positive off injection and then i would get my hopes up. its just so hard though sounds silly but i think it makes it worse cos you want to test so much and you know you cant its driving me mad and dh keep aying i just want to tet now time is going so slow... arent we silly. anyway ill keep my fingers crossed and we might both be pg. i just keep thinking that one go cant make me pg after ll the trying ive done all myself but then i just have this funny feeling im going to get pg and have a little girl but who knows its awful i feel like im gong round the twist sometimes when i had my ds who consultnt said is a miracle i just fell pg without all of this counting the days, etc...etc... but anyway enough of me moaning on i hope it all goes well for you on monday ill keep my fingers crossed.

coggy forgot to ask how many folicles do you have and what strength of injections did you have

I had a 14.5mm and 13mm on the right side and a 10mm on the left which they discounted as it hadn't grown from the previous scan.
That was on Thursday so I have had my pregnyl jab tonight so I guess they should be about 17.5mm and 16mm now.
My pregnyl is 10,000IU and then another 5,000 in a week's time to keep the womb lining going.....I think that's my problem as I usually have my AF only 8 or 9 dpo.
Hopefully the second pregnyl jab will make my luteal phase longer so that a pg can establish.

The jab didn't hurt as much tonight as it has in the past so now I am flapping about it not going in properly etc. etc....ridiculous eh?

Artoo fell pg on her 1st IVF attempt so don't be discouraged...it does happen.

coggy are they giving you any progesterone support for your luteal phase? When I had my IUI I persuaded them to give me the progesterone pessaries, and they were great! Held off my AF, and I had a 17 day luteal phase (from 10-11).

Might be worth asking for next time if you stay around the 8/9 day lp.

I had my scan on Friday - we have a single healthy heartbeat

Hugs,
Artoo
7w5d

I have to take another hcg jab on Saturday....this will trick my body into thinking it's pg and so, hopefully, support the lining for longer.

The only downside is that I have been getting pg symptoms from the last one two days ago.....bad sickness feeling and very sore boobs!

I'll also not be able to test for a few days longer as it will show up on the hpt.
Here's hoping I get lucky first time too.

glad to hear its all going well for you coggy im worried now as dont have to do another pregnyl jab but my lining was 10. something mm thick which my consultat described as juicy but i did think they might give progesterone to support and hep cos they told me that if it is positive next week they will then give me progesterone and aspirin to support pg due to previous m/c lets keep our fingers crossed im so excited to test but time is just dragging. when can you test with doing extra jab.

The more I hear from other people...the more I realise just how different every area is with what they do and don't do!

I have a very short lp of only about 8 or 9 days and often get AF cramps about 4dpo!!!
I am hoping that the extra pregnyl will stop that from happening......I am actually wondering if I ought to take it sooner but if this cycle is unsuccesful I will ask about that.

My nurse said that I should wait for 2 weeks plus two days...so that makes it the 14th March.......it is going to be agony having to wait 16 days when I normally only have to wait for half that time!!!!!

I am rather thinking that my AF will come before those 16 days is up (unless of course I am pg!!)

I hope that you have got lots of things booked in over the next ten days or so......take your mind off things!!!

its totally wrong we should all be treat same shouldnt matter where we live hope it goes well for you. ive had af pains todays and only week sine iui.

How long is you lp normally wayzee?

i havent really any idea with havin pcos my cycle varies so much and i would not normally know when ov had taken place to work out how long after that af started . its driving me mad i just want to test test test but i dont think it would even show up yet do you know what earliest stage hcg would be in urine after iui.

Wayzee

PCOS is a really PITA to have as a condition - you have my sympathies here as a fellow PCOSer.

Is there a "plan B" in place in the event that the courses of IUI and the injectibles are unsuccessful.

Will they consider ovarian diathermy surgery for your good self?. If this has never been mentioned to you I would ask about this surgery. This can have a good success rate with some PCOS patients as it can bring the excess levels of LH down and restore ovulation.

I would stress this is not a cure for PCOS (there isn't one anyway) but it can be managed and controlled well. The underlying causes of PCOS are still not fully understood but some feel that genetic factors certainly play a part.

Verity is a good UK based website to look at - www.verity-pcos.org.uk.

The more you learn for yourself about PCOS the better; it will help you when it comes to making treatment decisions.

attilathemeerkat thanks for your support it is an awful thing pcos its nice to hear from people in similar situation. believe me i know lots about pcos since i was diagnosed last may all ive done is research it but any advice you can give will be greatly appreciated. my consultant says im not a "typical textbook case" which doesnt help me much im not overweight at all only symptoms i have is irregular cycle & pco. i was offered ovarian drilling but have declined for now as i dont think my pcos is that bad id rather try iui first i was only pregnant end last year had missed mc in october ds who is 3 21 march and mc prior to him so im just keeping my fingers crossed. if id had no response to injections i migh thought differently. have you had any surgery? also at last scan i had 4 and 5 small follicles on left and right which isnt alot for pcos. i might just be clutching at straws but im prepared to keep clutching for a litte while at least. i just hate this 2ww i just want to test so much i keep feeling sickly but then i think would it be to soon anyway or could it be pregnyl but 10d since pregnyl 5000iu and 8 since iui so i just havent got a clue and dont know if it would be too early to test anyway so ill just keep my fingers crossed for now. anyway thanks again good luck to you.

I am no expert but I would say you would need at least 10 days after IUI before you could test.......that would also give you an extra couple of days to make sure that the pregnyl is out of your system.

It would be so awful if an early test was influenced by the hcg and you wouldn't relax until you'd tested again a few days later anyway....so be strong!!!!
Easy to say I know.....and I'll probably be ten times as bad next week!!!!!

HI all (sorry been away so long). Dont know if this is helpful re the PCOS discussion but I have been px metformin tds and is has helped with the weight and some of the symptons (bloating).
Can I now officially join this thread as I have officially started clomid!! started 50mg yestereday although was on day 4 of period as had a spontanuos one (yippee) without need to take the progesterone. DP sperm count is good too and all my results show consistent with pcos, altho liver function raised. having that re-tested.

We are hoping to make baby this month.. think the best time is around the 18th but will be trying lots around the date too

All new at this, consultant is lovely tho. Will see her again in May, have to have another blood test done to see if ovulating on day 21 (is day 1 first day of period?)

sorry to chatter on about me but so excited and been worrying that nothing will ever progress.

DP is being a real support and we are so excited xxxx

LOts of hopes and baby dust to you all

Hi wayzee,

PCOS is a very individualistic disorder and does affect each woman with it very differently.

I have PCOS and was diagnosed with this on the basis of my highly irregular cycles and my bloodwork which showed the LH/FSH imbalance. I've also got the cystic follicles associated with this condition as well. Also the polycystic ovary can appear larger than a normal sized ovary (which is about the size of a walnut).

I would think you have more than 4 or 5 cystic follicles; the cystic follicles associated with PCOS are very small and it can take a skilled operator to spot them. Also such cystic follicles disappear - only to be replaced by further cystic follicles.
Some of these follicles contain hormones, others are dormant, some contain an egg.

Its a very thin line between polycystic ovaries and the syndrome but both have a commonality - the cystic follicles.

I was in a similar position to you at one time. I was offered the injectibles but opted for ovarian surgery due to funding issues with the trust (I would have to have waited six months before I could receive the injectible drugs). The diathermy surgery worked for me as I am now a parent as a direct result of such surgery.

You should be closely monitored whilst on IUI - what are your LH levels like now?.

Am glad you are managing to stay within the correct weight range for you height - this is important as weight gain can exacerbate symptoms.

I would keep the ovarian diathermy as an option open to you - would strongly suggest that you find out before you have this op (if you do end up having this surgery) how much experience the surgeon has had with this procedure and what his success rate has been.

I would also have a long chat with the cons about how he feels about you doing IUI and how many attempts he feels you need.

How often do you see the hospital team - at the very least you should be seen at least once every month by them and see the same people each visit (seeing different people each time is not helpful in terms of continuity of care).

Wishing you the very best of luck. As mentioned Verity's website is very good and would recommend that particular site to anyone with PCO/PCOS.

thanks atmk for your advice i do only have 4 and 5 follicles less than 10 which is cut off point for pcos for definite i have regular follicle tracking scans and have been show my ovaries on screen by skilled sonographer. also my right ovary is slightly bigger than my left but not too big and after internal exam was told both felt ok. she actually said i have a very low amount of follicles for being classed as having pcos they normally dont class as fully blown pcos till over 10. my consultant has also told me that there are varying scales of pcos and thankfully i dont at this stage have a lot of the symptoms. my bmi is 22 which isnt bad. I have read living with pcos which is a really good book and helped me to understand pcos in depth i would strongly recommend anyone with pcos to read this. its good to hear other people views on pcos as there is so much information out there and obviously new things being discovered all the time. as i said before im reluctant to undergo surgery at the minute but will definitley leave option open just going to try iui and see how i get on. my consultant is actually very nice to me never used to be but i stick up for myself and wont just take him at face value i research everything im a srtrong believer in the more you can know about something the better you can help yourself he actually tells me i know too much but i dont think thats the case at all i just think that i will say why and what for etc. i have to phone clinic on monday for results of hpt and go for their but got review appt at end of april booked in at mo to see preogress obviously if i dont get bfp which i hope i do but thanks again for your advice.

coggy thank you for your support im having nightmare at mo had brownish mucus e stuff yesterday ( i know sorry too much info) & paniced cos only day 9 did test and got faint line so rang acc who have told me to see what happens over weekend and re test on monday if havent had full on period nurse said pregnyl 5000iu should only be in system for 10 days and yesterday day 11 but i think still off injection cos thought i felt pg earlier in week but now just feel like going to start af i wish theyd given me another hcg shot or progesterone i know sounds silly i just cant help thinking what if it was fertilised and on its way and my hormone levels dropped so lining start to come away before could implant but god knows so ill just have to wait and see keeping my fingers crossed though dreaming that it could be implantation bleed but i couldnt be that lucky.....

anyway enough of me waffeling on good luck to you all and hope it goes well awen.

hi guys.. feeling quite confused about it all am on cd 16 now.. started taking 50mg on cd 5 through to cd9. THis was a later start than would normally be but the consultant said for me to start anyhow on cd5. She wants me to have a blood test on cd21 (will have to be cd20 as 21 is on a saturday).

My problem is that I am very irreg - 12 months between last cd and this one. Lucklily I af visted without having to have provera.

I have no idea what day i should/would ov on and how the clomid stimulates ov.

DP and i have been bumping everyday and I have been sticking legs in the air to help. Thing is I have no idea of my cd length or anything. tried ov sticks so far neg.. although only tried on cd12 and cd14

Does anyone have any advice... pleasseeee xx

feeling q dispondent

Bumping for awen

Hi awen

Would suggest first off that you do not use the ovulation predictor kits. Its a waste of time in your situation seeing as your periods have been very irregular to date.

Also legs in the air is not worth doing either; enough semen will get to the cervix from where they won't escape so it is unnecessary to do this. BD every day is also not necessary and can put pressure on both of you - would suggest you make love when you both feel like it.

Do you have a diagnosis of the underlying problem?. I hope you do. Normally clomid is taken between days 2 and 6. I would think you have some sort of ovulatory problem and this is why you've been given clomid. Clomid encourages the ovaries to work harder.

You should be monitored whilst on this drug treatment because it can affect hormone levels. You ought to be seen regularly by the consultant or the subfertility team at the hospital.

HTH

Hi Attila, thanks for response. Yes I do have fertility problems - PCO. Very irreg cycle was 12 months between last AF's

Am under consultant and next seeing in May 17. Have blood test on Friday to test for levels as only on 50mg first course and might not be enough.

BDing everyday is still ok for us (we are enjoying it and a great form of excercise )

Just fed up with my body as it is completely and utterly irritating as it never does what it is supposed to do.